ECA with Pseudoephedrine?

[Arnold Palmer]

Ive tried the ECA stack with both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine.  I  have noticed that the pseudoephedrine works way better at killing my appetite.  I sorta have to force my self to eat when on it.  But the ephedrine hcl (vasopro) I'm using right now is not doing the same thing.  I took both with 200mg Caffeine, and Aspirin.  Is there a possibility that the pseudoephedrine actually works better or it just me?

Also I get alot of weird side effects with the ephedrine hcl(vasopro) that I don't get when using sudafed(pseudoephedrine).  I get the jitters pretty bad, and I feel sorta "zoned out".   The pseudoephedrine even seems to work better when it comes to energy/endurance boost too.  But the pseudoephedrine also makes me get pissed off really easy.  Alot more than the ephedrine does.

Has anyone else tried both and noticed this?   Maybee my body just responds better to the pseudoephedrine or something?

[gammahydroxy]

i don't see why you can't sub the pseudoephedrine in place of ephedrine..PE is an awesome appetite supressant...You may want to look for a pure version minus the other garbage, you can find it if you look hard enough.

[Bear03]

i don't see why you can't sub the pseudoephedrine in place of ephedrine..PE is an awesome appetite supressant...You may want to look for a pure version minus the other garbage, you can find it if you look hard enough.

Sudafed PE.

[Princess L]

i don't see why you can't sub the pseudoephedrine in place of ephedrine..PE is an awesome appetite supressant

They're not really the same thing, but if it does what you want it to do (supress app & engery) great.
The most signifigant difference between the two for your heart is that pseodoephedrine will not raise blood pressure and pulse nearly as much.  Secondly, and unfortunately, pseudoephedrine doesn't seem to be very thermogenic  

[Arnold Palmer]

Thanks for the info.  I think I am going to stay with pseudoephedrine.  Less food, with more intense work-outs and cardio sounds like a good weight loss plan for me.  Even if the pseudoephedrine is not thermogenic itself, its effects on appetite and energy do promote a weightloss.  And I don't feel like a coke head when I'm on it like i do with ephedrine.

But one thing that still confuses me about both the pseudoephedrine, and ephedrine is that they both make me feel really cold.  I have to wear underarmor cold gear just to not feel like I'm freezing.  I thought they were supposed to raise body temperature?  My guess is that maybee its like when you have a fever.  And your body feels really cold, but you are actually burning up.  Or maybee the vascular constriction stops blood flow and cause's the cold feeling.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

[Arnold Palmer]

Actually I think I figured it out.  My body is in ketosis big time.  Which is very very good.   

[Loomis]

Sudafed PE.

Sudafed PE doesn't have PseudoEphedrine anymore.

[Bear03]

Sudafed PE doesn't have PseudoEphedrine anymore.

I just assumed.  WTF does the "PE" stand for then??? 


Anyway, you may as well just buy real ephedra from the gas station.

[Loomis]

I just assumed.  WTF does the "PE" stand for then??? 


Anyway, you may as well just buy real ephedra from the gas station.

phenylephrine. Some things like Tylenol cold and flu, and I think Alavert have it still.

[Bear03]

phenylephrine. Some things like Tylenol cold and flu, and I think Alavert have it still.

ohhhhh that's gay.  well claritin has it too, but, it also has loratadine, an anti-histamine.  I didn't mention it because i figured most would not want this "extra" ingredient.

[Arnold Palmer]

whats the deal with phenylephrine, i know it does not come from the ephedra plant like ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, but does it do the same thing?