Pro bodybuilders

[Julio Ceasar]

So much talk about the 10% that make u grow...The Workout

So quiet about the the 90% that make u grow...The Steroids

[DroppingPlates]

So much fucks are given about 'pro bbers' their steroid use

[dyslexic]

Beating a dead horse.....


Is exhausting ~

[Yanin]

Does anyone even give a shit about competing?

[Nails]

Phil heath said on the Boomer Esiason radio show that he has never touched steroids or HGH, and all his gains come from his infrared sauna he had installed in his home

[Icelord]

I would qualify that.

Steroids are 90% of it.

But their effects are at least threefold.

1) They build muscle. This we know. How much they build depends largely on your genes and the quality of your training/diet.

2) They improve performance and recovery time. Not a small detail in a sport that requires you to destroy muscle fascia on a daily basis and where DOMS can often mean a natural lifter will be out of action for a week after a hard session on a particular muscle group.

3) They provide a psychological anchor around which your entire training/lifestyle/emotional state revolves. This is the key one. The placebo effect with steroids is so powerful that I've met guys I knew for a fact were on counterfeit bunk gear that gave them no noticeable change in body physiology. But their strength shot through the roof and they were genuinely confident around the weights until they realized they'd been sold lemons. Being "on" and "off" isn't just a matter of your test levels. It's the idea that you're being pushed from behind by a chemical G-force that will take you to the next level of physical development, which regular people are locked out of. That is the reason why so many guys who get off end up depressed or quit working out altogether.

[Simple Simon]

Phil heath said on the Boomer Esiason radio show that he has never touched steroids or HGH, and all his gains come from his infrared sauna he had installed in his home

I hope he doesnt fall asleep in it, he might not be able to get out when he wakes up.

[Alucard]

When 90% of professional athletes in different sports are using PEDs, and 90% of world's population thinks they are clean, lying bodybuilders are nothing to concern about in the end...

[sean]

When 90% of professional athletes in different sports are using PEDs, and 90% of world's population thinks they are clean, lying bodybuilders are nothing to concern about in the end...

I'd disagree and think that along with 90% being on stuff, 90%+ of the population believes their on to.  You cant have any degree of muscularity and everyone not automatically assume you're "on".  Hell, people even think you just take steroids and you grow.  Working out or not.. Some actually believe all you gotta do is get on and you're gonna grow and excel in whatever you're doing.

[Icelord]

I'd disagree and think that along with 90% being on stuff, 90%+ of the population believes their on to.  You cant have any degree of muscularity and everyone not automatically assume you're "on".  Hell, people even think you just take steroids and you grow.  Working out or not.. Some actually believe all you gotta do is get on and you're gonna grow and excel in whatever you're doing.

I will agree that there were guys who looked so average at my gym that when they told me they were using orals, I was stunned. I almost felt like asking them why.

But you can usually tell, dude. There's a layer of density and equality about juiced muscles that naturals don't have. The tipoff is usually the upper pec and arm vascularity. Sure, some guys have good chests naturally. But most don't, they're uneven and lacking in places. When I see a chest like this with the perfectly balanced core and arms, I know the guy's running shit.

[Alucard]

I'd disagree and think that along with 90% being on stuff, 90%+ of the population believes their on to.  You cant have any degree of muscularity and everyone not automatically assume you're "on".  Hell, people even think you just take steroids and you grow.  Working out or not.. Some actually believe all you gotta do is get on and you're gonna grow and excel in whatever you're doing.

Better to separate bodybuilding and other sports, about how people talks being clean or not... Yes, people usually thinks that chemicals are some magic stuff that can transform you no matter what... Guys in my gym running different compounds in decent dosages, looking totally puny and bloated at best, you wouldn't even think that they train seriously and are "on"...

[Icelord]

Better to separate bodybuilding and other sports, about how people talks being clean or not... Yes, people usually thinks that chemicals are some magic stuff that can transform you no matter what... Guys in my gym running different compounds in decent dosages, looking totally puny and bloated at best, you wouldn't even think that they train seriously and are "on"...

Don't overestimate the quality of their drugs. They don't get it from premium labs or medical scripts like the Pros do. Their stuff is back alley junk some schmoe with muscles sold them behind the gym. I highly doubt their pills & oils would stand the scrutiny of a lab setting.

[Alucard]

Don't overestimate the quality of their drugs. They don't get it from premium labs or medical scripts like the Pros do. Their stuff is back alley junk some schmoe with muscles sold them behind the gym. I highly doubt their pills & oils would stand the scrutiny of a lab setting.

This is also true, quality can clearly make a difference, and i know that some of them are using junk... Still it's amazing how they can look like fat beginners, being on stuff and training for years... Shitty genetic and junk chemicals, bad combo...

[Van_Bilderass]

Don't overestimate the quality of their drugs. They don't get it from premium labs or medical scripts like the Pros do. Their stuff is back alley junk some schmoe with muscles sold them behind the gym. I highly doubt their pills & oils would stand the scrutiny of a lab setting.

The pros use absolute shit gear in many cases. They use the same stuff everyone else is using... which is mostly Chinese bathtub shit. Look at Sami Al Haddad's ass in the recent show... obviously shooting shit brewed by some amateur (maybe Farah).

If you think pros have acces to something special then you don't know shit.

[Icelord]

The pros use absolute shit gear in many cases. They use the same stuff everyone else is using... which is mostly Chinese bathtub shit. Look at Sami Al Haddad's ass in the recent show... obviously shooting shit brewed by some amateur (maybe Farah).

OK I should've qualified that as the top pros use top quality stuff. I'm sure Ronnie/Jay/Phil never messed around with raw materials homebrew crap.

Probably the lesser guys who make $2000 a year competing have to settle for what they get.

[Icelord]

This is also true, quality can clearly make a difference, and i know that some of them are using junk... Still it's amazing how they can look like fat beginners, being on stuff and training for years... Shitty genetic and junk chemicals, bad combo...

Seen my share of permabulkers running Anadrol, dbl, etc. and looking like this.

[Van_Bilderass]

OK I should've qualified that as the top pros use top quality stuff. I'm sure Ronnie/Jay/Phil never messed around with raw materials homebrew crap.

Probably the lesser guys who make $2000 a year competing have to settle for what they get.

It's all homebrew crap for the most part. Sometimes brewed in compounding pharmacies or whatever, but it's still the same Chinese raw material.

It's not just a money issue. And even if it was, many well off people are cheap as shit anyway and try to save a buck.

[Alucard]

The pros use absolute shit gear in many cases. They use the same stuff everyone else is using... which is mostly Chinese bathtub shit. Look at Sami Al Haddad's ass in the recent show... obviously shooting shit brewed by some amateur (maybe Farah).

If you think pros have acces to something special then you don't know shit.

True, i'd say many of them are not on the best quality stuff, far from it... Icelord was probably referring to the very top athletes in bodybuilding history who had more money, sponsors, and so on...

[Icelord]

It's all homebrew crap for the most part. Sometimes brewed in compounding pharmacies or whatever, but it's still the same Chinese raw material.

It's not just a money issue. And even if it was, many well off people are cheap as shit anyway and try to save a buck.

I think when a movie actor (Reynolds, Wahlberg, The Rock, etc.) want to get in shape for a movie, they can just go to a doctor that writes scripts for celebrities who want it. The WWE guys definitely get their stuff from Dr's the company bribes to give them gear.

So I mean, maybe that may be true of the pros but if so, the underground crap must be good if they get so fucking huge.

[Alucard]

Seen my share of permabulkers running Anadrol, dbl, etc. and looking like this.

Lol, exactly what i was talking about, even worse in some cases... 

[Icelord]

True, i'd say many of them are not on the best quality stuff, far from it... Icelord was probably referring to the very top athletes in bodybuilding history who had more money, sponsors, and so on...

This doesn't look like bathtub juice to me

[Van_Bilderass]

I think when a movie actor (Reynolds, Wahlberg, The Rock, etc.) want to get in shape for a movie, they can just go to a doctor that writes scripts for celebrities who want it. The WWE guys definitely get their stuff from Dr's the company bribes to give them gear.

So I mean, maybe that may be true of the pros but if so, the underground crap must be good if they get so fucking huge.

There is real hormone raw material coming out China so it works.

We know how wrestlers get their gear in many cases. There were a few cases in the past few years where compounding pharmacies were busted and they had WWE wrestlers, pro bodybuilders and celebrities as clients. But they were not completely legal, so you never know how the quality really is.

[Van_Bilderass]

This doesn't look like bathtub juice to me

Even if bathtub it can still work. The dosage may be off by more than 10% in either direction but it doesn't matter much if you do a ton anyway. They may have enough hormone but the solvent levels may be off leading to all these lumps we see from time to time etc.

[lowdose]

If pros do mega dose wouldn't it have to be some high quality home brew? If they take G15 or Loyd kid doses how the hell do you pin that much oil?

[Icelord]

If pros do mega dose wouldn't it have to be some high quality home brew? If they take G15 or Loyd kid doses how the hell do you pin that much oil?

I think the guys Milos trains get most of their gains from the GH and slin protocols. I've personally met guys who compete state level who have no reason to lie when they tell me their ratio is 30% anabolics, 70% GH/insulin. Unless you know your gear is top-quality, there's no need to go overboard pinning it until your glutes explode.