really high protein intake - sides

[Hulkotron]

Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

This is mostly my experience as well.

I think light/moderate cardio can be beneficial for burning a few more calories/day (maybe 300 or so tops).  

Heavy cardio will just give you a heavy appetite and you'll likely eat it all back or overeat.

For example in the summer I run up to 50 miles a week but don't gain any weight because it makes me super-hungry.

[Mawse]

Moderate cardio for 30 mins, 10 degrees and 4 mph on the incline treadmill, helps my recovery and general health (bloodwork looks better when I do it vs not doing it)

for weight control it's pointless beyond reminding you just how much work it takes to burn a small number of calories

[Icelord]

Every gym has fat women that spend an hour on the stairclimber, go home
eat their Jenny Craig frozen dinner
then wake up 2 hours later and eat a pint of Haagen Daz.

doing endless cardio doesn't work except for one thing: appetite.
but lifting weights is hard too, so they don't do it
in the mistaken belief they'll turn into Evan or Rami

[FermiDirac]

Every gym has fat women that spend an hour on the stairclimber, go home
eat their Jenny Craig frozen dinner
then wake up 2 hours later and eat a pint of Haagen Daz.

doing endless cardio doesn't work except for one thing: appetite.

Yes, but no amount of cardio can correct the mindset of a fat pig dumpster slob who live their lives as human waste bins. 

[Icelord]

Yes, but no amount of cardio can correct the mindset of a fat pig dumpster slob who live their lives as human waste bins. 

You feel the need to interject and make a suggestion because they're clearly trying hard. But they won't listen because "their trainer" "takes good care of them" and "is an expert".

[FermiDirac]

You feel the need to interject and make a suggestion because they're clearly trying hard. But they won't listen because "their trainer" "takes good care of them" and "is an expert".

Standard procedure, tries to say something, but you'll get shushed with the "my trainer said I can treat myself every now and then".
I think most of them missed the "every now and then" part.

But I can't blame the trainers either, they do what they gotta do to keep the clientèle. Better to keep the slobs around than train them to become independent of the said "experts".

[JasonH]

my macros today

made me feel like shit

i normally have 150 to 200g of protein ala adonis principles of peace

today was

358g of protein

132g of carbs

56g of fat

burping and farting like a bull frog

I think you've just had an unusual day for diet and your body's not used to it. 358 grams of protein at 240lbs is just a tad under 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

I ate 340 grams of protein today and that's every day for me (been very consistent with my diet recently) and I weigh 225, so a very similar ratio (1.5g per pound). Carb and fat intake is similar. I don't have any digestion problems but then again I'm used to it, just one of those things. The body adapts very well.

[no one]

imo protein intakes have been made to sound more important than they really are.

if your using a shit ton of anabolics and gh maybe you'll need more than the average trainer.

[Hulkotron]

Standard procedure, tries to say something, but you'll get shushed with the "my trainer said I can treat myself every now and then".
I think most of them missed the "every now and then" part.

But I can't blame the trainers either, they do what they gotta do to keep the clientèle. Better to keep the slobs around than train them to become independent of the said "experts".

Yes "treat myself every now and then" = "reward myself for performing the arduous task of physical motion by re-eating all the calories and then some"

[Icelord]

The average person who exercises treats themselves like a 340lbs BBer would 2-3 meals a week off-season.

[FermiDirac]

The average person who exercises treats themselves like a 340lbs BBer would 2-3 meals a week off-season.

The average person at the gym also has the body density of a marshmallow. 

[Conker]

Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

that's not to be sniffed at, do that once a day and that's 4200 cals a week, possibly 2 full days food intake for someone dieting.

[TEMPER]

I agree, Im not dissing cardio for health benefits, its just the fat burning side of it that doesnt stack up.

Going from an old fatfuck like you to a slightly less fat old fuck, is easy...Eat less cake.

Going from 10% bf to 5% is a whole different game. One you have definitely never played in.

So pipe down. DO you even lift?

[Hulkotron]

Temper establishing his position around here lol

[Costanza]

I used to work at a convalescent home, long before my nutritionist/PT days.

The registered Dietitians were always checking Kidney function. Protein intake was always an issue. I'm thankful that I got to learn at a young age.

I built a respectable physique (and most of you have seen pics of me, so we don't need the comments) on very small amounts of protein.

Study the "controlled" studies, and read the Journals of the AMA and such... here are a few excerpts:

"...as many as 20 million Americans are at risk for reduced kidney function but don't know it. Therefore, people on high-protein diets may be unknowingly damaging their kidneys."

"Knight's findings on high-protein diets are published in the March 18 edition of Annals of Internal Medicine. It's the latest chapter in the ongoing Nurses Health Study..." (controlled study, that is the point here)


 "They were tracked for 11 years, and researchers found that those with mild kidney problems who ate a high-protein diet especially protein from meat -- had a faster loss in function."

Please don't take this to mean that eliminating meat from your diet will cure the problem, although eating meat has been shown time and time again to increase the probability.

Here is a statement in regards to the Atkins Diet: "We saw a significantly measurable association in those consuming about 1.3 grams of animal protein for each kilo of body weight," Knight tells WebMD. "That level is not as high as the protein you get from animal sources in the Atkins diet. So clearly a person who is undertaking a high-protein diet such as Atkins should have a kidney function test and carefully be monitored while following this diet."


Thanks to the rags, which are nearly 70% ads for protein supplements, bodybuilders and ESPECIALLY aspiring bodybuilders, believe that the more protein they consume, the bigger they will get.

Well then, why are our bodies so good at excreting Nitrogen?

Excess protein is taxing on the Kidneys. There is no question about it. Yes, if you have "healthy" Kidneys, you can get away with a lot... at first. But here's the rub: Your Kidneys are NOT just dealing with protein consumption, so logically, by the time you are nearing middle-age, your Kidneys are NOT functioning the way they used to because of all the other filtering they have to do. For a bodybuilder, this could be solely from your excess food, supplement and pharmaceutical intake. Make sense?


Your Kidneys will always work to eliminate waste and toxic substances. Once they start malfunctioning, they DO NOT HEAL! This is important to remember. The Liver can heal if "situations" are caught soon enough, but the Kidneys? No.


Try a lower protein intake just for your own empirical data. Just for shits n giggles, whatever. Everyone is so afraid they will "lose size" ~ how would you know unless you try?


I know what's coming next, so I'll let those comments fly. Peace.

 

Absolutely spot on.

I consumed a high protein diet for the best part of a decade, the whole '2 grams per lb of body weight' thing. Had 3 blood test done over a period of 5 years and each time I had progressively more protein in my urine. My kidney's couldn't process all the excess protein and as a result started to reduce in function. I felt fine and I wouldn't have known I was heading for possible future dialysis if I didn't change my diet.

[Lustral]

Biggest mistake most lifters make is believing doctors don't know shit, broscience and "empirical evidence" trump double blind studies.

[MichaelScottDM]

My physique looks much better when I carb cycle but stick to a high protein diet year round. There is no way I could substitute my proteins for carbs. I'd look like a fat fuck. I've done this before and it isn't a good look. Sure, you have the calorie is a calorie debate, but my physique turns to garbage when I up the carbs(healthy ones) and decrease lean proteins.

[Icelord]

My physique looks much better when I carb cycle but stick to a high protein diet year round. There is no way I could substitute my proteins for carbs. I'd look like a fat fuck. I've done this before and it isn't a good look. Sure, you have the calorie is a calorie debate, but my physique turns to garbage when I up the carbs(healthy ones) and decrease lean proteins.

Depends what look you're going for. To gain the most muscle you can naturally, you're better off scaling the carbs upward and ignoring the GI index or other variables like sugar, fat, etc. I would only go low carb if you want to be lean year-round. But then you go flat and your workouts suck.

[The True Adonis]

to dyslexic - whats your protein intake

this was an unsual day for me

i normally get between 150 and 200

i weight about 240lbs now

its all from lean sources like tuna and chicken and fish

i have red meat about once a fortnight

You could lower your protein intake to 80-120 if you wanted to.

[Lustral]

You could lower your protein intake to 80-120 if you wanted to.

I wouldn't know what to eat at those levels. I cut my meat intake to 300g/meal for three of my five meals and that feels like deprivation. I don't care for carbs unless it's from wine. It's just something to have with meat.

[Simple Simon]

Going from an old fatfuck like you to a slightly less fat old fuck, is easy...Eat less cake.

Going from 10% bf to 5% is a whole different game. One you have definitely never played in.

So pipe down. DO you even lift?

 
Have you seen my pictures?

[Simple Simon]

that's not to be sniffed at, do that once a day and that's 4200 cals a week, possibly 2 full days food intake for someone dieting.

Horses for courses, Im not mentally cut out for sitting on an excercise bike for an hour a day, I would go mad.
I prefer to eat less.

[falco]

If my protein is high like 300gr my urine starts smelling funny.
Protein increases i diet must be gradual otherwise flatulence will happen because your body don't absorb it.

[Super Natural]

I think you've just had an unusual day for diet and your body's not used to it. 358 grams of protein at 240lbs is just a tad under 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

I ate 340 grams of protein today and that's every day for me (been very consistent with my diet recently) and I weigh 225, so a very similar ratio (1.5g per pound). Carb and fat intake is similar. I don't have any digestion problems but then again I'm used to it, just one of those things. The body adapts very well.

I think it may have to do with bulding up the nessisary Digestive enzymes for protein digestion (Protease for protien in this instance) Same as if you have been on a low carb diet or keto for extended peroids and then ingest a lot of carbs. Most bb's are farting like a race horses on their high carb days or when carbing up, farting Back stage at a contest ETC due to having low levels of of carbhyrases enzyme.

[BigRo]

Cardio will boost metabolism throughout day and night. Tell Ronnie and Dorian cardio is useless for burning fat.