Insulin and carbing up

[Jizmo]

there are numerous studies on people being on t3 for years at a high dose and once they come off thyroid recovers just fine within a few weeks (doesnt even take longer than after a short cycle).

ive only been on t3 for a couple months now but ill most likely stay on forever (you can just buy 10g raw powder and it'll last until you die anyways)...

honestly i dont even primarily do it for bodybuilding purposes... i just like how the stuff makes me feel. i need less sleep (wake up fully refreshed after 8 hours at most), got more energy, can artificially increase metabolism for a short period (for example when pigging out on a birthday with the family or whatever). i dont see any downsides.

[starfox]

there are numerous studies on people being on t3 for years at a high dose and once they come off thyroid recovers just fine within a few weeks (doesnt even take longer than after a short cycle).

ive only been on t3 for a couple months now but ill most likely stay on forever (you can just buy 10g raw powder and it'll last until you die anyways)...

honestly i dont even primarily do it for bodybuilding purposes... i just like how the stuff makes me feel. i need less sleep (wake up fully refreshed after 8 hours at most), got more energy, can artificially increase metabolism for a short period (for example when pigging out on a birthday with the family or whatever). i dont see any downsides.

Very interesting. Do you run any HGH with it, whether bulking or cutting? Do you think T3 hinders fat gains when using it on bulk cycles?

[Jizmo]

Very interesting. Do you run any HGH with it, whether bulking or cutting? Do you think T3 hinders fat gains when using it on bulk cycles?

no, i dont run hgh. i think with hgh you better use t4, but im not very well versed in terms of hgh use.
i dont think T3 hinders fat gains, but it increases metabolism. you do have to eat more calories (carbs) depending on dosage from my experience. i also think it aids protein metabolism.

[a_ahmed]

da faq, 150mcg? duude... i once tried 60-80mcg and it wasted my muscle in no time, that was the only time i tried t3 and it was while on superdrol. Been scared to use it ever since...

[oni]

Ya in your case you managed to reverse the effects, not unheard of but others are usually not so lucky. 7 years is a long time

It took me almost a year to undo the effects from 3 months of stupidity

[Jizmo]

da faq, 150mcg? duude... i once tried 60-80mcg and it wasted my muscle in no time, that was the only time i tried t3 and it was while on superdrol. Been scared to use it ever since...

60-80mcg wasted your muscle in no time ? i run 60mcg while bulking and it doesnt waste a gram of muscle unless your diet is shit.
it wasted your glycogen and water bigtime though.

you get flat as sh*t and think youve lost a huge amount of muscle, when actually you didnt have NEARLY as much muscle as you thought to begin with. its all glycogen and water. 1-2 weeks after dropping t3 and upping carbs you look just as full as before but way better because you lost a ton of bodyfat...

[BigRo]

It took me almost a year to undo the effects from 3 months of stupidity

please tell what happened?

[oni]

please tell what happened?

I was following a ketogenic diet and then carbing up at the weekend. Initially I was using 2-3ui to help the carb up but after posting about it on here I was encouraged by a few people to up it to as much as 30ui as I was eating about a kilo of carbs. I stayed lean but my waist was 34" lol. I did 4 weeks at 1000kcal a day protein only and that helped a lot. Then I followed a lower fat slightly more carb paleo diet for about 3 months then switched back to the ketogenic diet. Waist hit 29" a few weeks ago!

Never again lol

[OTHstrong]

I was following a ketogenic diet and then carbing up at the weekend. Initially I was using 2-3ui to help the carb up but after posting about it on here I was encouraged by a few people to up it to as much as 30ui as I was eating about a kilo of carbs. I stayed lean but my waist was 34" lol. I did 4 weeks at 1000kcal a day protein only and that helped a lot. Then I followed a lower fat slightly more carb paleo diet for about 3 months then switched back to the ketogenic diet. Waist hit 29" a few weeks ago!

Never again lol

30iu?   

what type of slin?

[dustin]

75mcg of T3 destroyed me. Was taking 50mcg just fine, 75mcg just fine (for a few days) and then one day I had a super shitty workout and almost looked smaller by the time I was finished.

Dropped down to 50mcg and still couldn't fill out. Tapered down to 25mcg and was still flat, but then I filled out after about a week. Might have just been some strong ass T3, but I tried it again and around 50mcg is where I hit the ceiling.

Getting more on topic, if I were to run insulin I'd take 25mcg of T3 and coast on that for a bit. Take whatever anabolics to keep protein synthesis cranked, get good sleeps and just train and eat smart. I don't think shorter bouts of insulin are that detrimental. I think it comes from the off season neglect. Just bulking up like that with no slin is very unhealthy for the heart and for the physique. I think slow and steady is the only safe way. You can throw caution to the wind, but it's your body and you should take it seriously. You have a great physique so don't let drugs like insulin ruin your solid work ethic. You didn't build that foundation from cutting corners or slacking, that's for sure. A little slin can be a great tool in your arsenal.

My experience is mainly limited to playing around with it and using a blood sugar monitor. I tried pre and post workout doses at higher levels but I wasn't taking enough anabolics or using insulin aggressively enough to see massive gains. I can however see how potent of a hormone this is. I used humalog, and if you use it, watch for the second peak. It doesn't just dump you sugar once, it can come back with a vengeance. Also, don't panic. Diabetics take a couple 5g glucose tabs and wait it out. So if you feel hypo, just take in some carbs, sit down, let your adrenals go crazy for a bit and settle down. Best to tell the wifey or GF if you're taking a high dose too, just to keep an eye out. I took beta blockers and went into a severe hypoglycemic attack and almost fainted because the beta blockers masked the symptoms of hypoglycemia. It's weird shit like that you never expect.

[oni]

30iu?   

what type of slin?

Novorapid
I posted a thread about it here, I was using 5ui max once a week. But I was eating upwards of 900g of carbs on these days as my goal was to eat a deficit over the course of the week ketogenically then eat loads of carbs in 3 or 4 hours once a week. It worked incredibly well I should add.

I asked if I should increase the insulin or what because most places recommended 10g/ui and it seemed like a lot. A certain member here said "sure, 30ui should be fine" lol. After my 8th time doing this I noticed that it really wasn't working out well and decreased the dose then eventually stopped insulin altogether, switched to a 800-1000kcal a day protein fast and dieted right down to nuke as much fat off as possible and get my sensitivity to insulin back to normal