Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own

[Straw Man]

Well, isn't that the context you used the term abundance of facts.   You don't have much self awareness do you?   

just wanted to make sure you were referring to Zimmerman

I assume you are aware there was a trial where and ABUNDANCE of FACTS became known and the only thing we did not find out was who started/escalated the fight.

I'm surprised an informed guy like you was not aware of the trial

[Straw Man]

You're joking right?   I was right, you aren't the least bit self aware.

I see you have no actual counter argument

feel free to address my statement if you can

[Soul Crusher]

nothing I've posted on this board can be defined as partisan

the basic premise of all my posts is that at this point we have very few facts about what happened with Bergdahl.

If you choose to view that as a partisan position then so be it


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Gtfo!   Lmfao!

[Archer77]

just wanted to make sure you were referring to Zimmerman

I assume you are aware there was a trial where and ABUNDANCE of FACTS became known and the only thing we did not find out was who started/escalated the fight.

I'm surprised an informed guy like you was not aware of the trial

What are those facts?  If you're so aware of the trial it should be easy to answer. 

[Straw Man]

What are those facts?  If you're so aware of the trial it should be easy to answer. 

you really want to talk about Zimmerman
how about we bump some old threads where we (everyone here) discussed it
ad nauseam

the only thing we didn't learn in the trial was who started the confrontation and/or escalated

no one saw it and Zimmerman didn't take the stand under oath

do you deny that?

[Archer77]

you really want to talk about Zimmerman
how about we bump some old threads where we (everyone here) discussed it
ad nauseam

the only thing we didn't learn in the trial was who started the confrontation and/or escalated

no one saw it and Zimmerman didn't take the stand under oath

do you deny that?

I'm only pointing out the total hypocrisy of the we don't know the facts about bergdahl club. The same individuals who rendered judgement before the trial and who seem capable of understanding and describing Zimmermans every thought and action. Chief among then, Goodrum. And beyond getbig,  the media.

[Straw Man]

I'm only pointing out the total hypocrisy of the we don't know the facts about bergdahl club. The same individuals who rendered judgement before the trial and who seem capable of understanding and describing Zimmermans every thought and action. Chief among then, Goodrum. And beyond getbig,  the media.

We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin

We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead

We all knew that from almost the very beginning.  The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started

In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before.   http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0

are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798

But Mr. Hagel cautioned against a rush to judgment. "Let's get the facts, but first let's focus on getting Sgt. Bergdahl well," he said.

Mr. Hagel repeatedly said the U.S. had a responsibility to get its soldiers back.

Mr. Hagel said that until the facts were in and investigations were complete, it was "a bit unfair to presume anything."

"We don't do that in the United States," he said.

The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html

In a separate posting on Facebook, Dempsey said of Bergdahl:

"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred."

Any decision on disciplinary measures will be up to the Army, Dempsey said in the interview. He said he does not want to pre-judge Bergdahl or say anything that might influence Army commanders.

In the Facebook post, Dempsey said in response to "those of you interested in my personal judgments about the recovery of SGT. Bowe Bergdahl, the questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity."

He added: "This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him."

[Soul Crusher]

We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin

We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead

We all knew that from almost the very beginning.  The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started

In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before.   http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0

are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798

The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html

Lmfao.  It takes effort to be this dumb if you believe this.   Ghettobama and rice already said he served honorably and gave a hero welcome in the roae garden. 

[Straw Man]

Lmfao.  It takes effort to be this dumb if you believe this.   Ghettobama and rice already said he served honorably and gave a hero welcome in the roae garden. 

great job as usual not being able to refute one thing I've posted

I'm sure a well informed guy like you already knows he was promoted twice while he was in captivity

why don't you go back to jerking off to your prized video of Obama working out

[Archer77]

We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin

We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead

We all knew that from almost the very beginning.  The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started

There aren't facts.  What you are presenting is pure speculation about Zimmermans motivation.  One could easily argue that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in recently experienced multiple break-ins by young black men that it would only be natural for anyone to take notice of an unfamiliar young black male walking around the neighborhood.  If purple haired midgets were robbing McDonalds I would be highly suspicious if I saw one at McDonalds.

Stalking is a loaded word and based on your interpretation rather than facts. By describing Zimmerman as stalking Trayvon you are placing the two  in opposition or in others words as predator and prey.  What you are saying is from the start Zimmerman intended to do Trayvon harm and that is pure speculation.  You've ascribed intent on Zimmerman that you can't objectively prove.  

Below is the definition of stalking


stalking [staw-king]  S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
  

[Straw Man]

There aren't facts.  What you are presenting is pure speculation about Zimmermans motivation.  One could easily argue that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in recently experienced multiple break-ins by young black men that it would only be natural for anyone to take notice of an unfamiliar young black male walking around the neighborhood.  If purple haired midgets were robbing McDonalds I would be highly suspicious if I saw one at McDonalds.

Stalking is a loaded word and based on your interpretation rather than facts. By describing Zimmerman as stalking Trayvon you are placing the two  in opposition or in others words as predator and prey.  What you are saying is from the start Zimmerman intended to do Trayvon harm and that is pure speculation.  You've ascribed intent on Zimmerman that you can't objectively prove.  

Below is the definition of stalking


stalking [staw-king]  S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
  

the best you can do is argue semantics?

the 2nd definition say "pertaining to the act of pursuing OR harassing"

we know for a fact that he was pursuing Martin.  Zimmerman said so himself

what else ya got?

[Archer77]

the best you can do is argue semantics?

the 2nd definition say "pertaining to the act of pursuing OR harassing"

we know for a fact that he was pursuing Martin.  Zimmerman said so himself

what else ya got?

So its pursuing Martin now?  Words have meaning and how they are used changes the subtext dramatically.  Following, pursuing and stalking don't mean the same thing.    Yes, the second definition says harassing and that proves my point.    By using the term you're saying that Zimmerman from the beginning was intent on harassing or harming Martin.  You're making a judgement about Zimmerman's intent thus your opinion will be inclined toward bias against Zimmerman.


Here are two examples.

The man stalked the woman down the street.

The man followed the woman down the street.


The first example explicitly implies ill intent on the part of the man but the second example does not.  In the second example the man might very well be walking with his wife down the street with no malicious intent.

[Straw Man]

So its pursuing Martin now?  Words have meaning and how they are used changes the subtext dramatically.  Following, pursuing and stalking don't mean the same thing.    Yes, the second definition says harassing and that proves my point.    By using the term you're saying that Zimmerman from the beginning was intent on harassing or harming Martin.  You're making a judgement about Zimmerman's intent thus your opinion will be inclined toward bias against Zimmerman.


Here are two examples.

The man stalked the woman down the street.

The man followed the woman down the street.


The first example explicitly implies ill intent on the part of the man but the second example does not.  In the second example the man might very well be walking with his wife down the street with no malicious intent.

I'm using the definition that YOU provided which was "pursuing" or "harassing" and Zimmerman admitted pursuing Martin

Here's the 911 call where Zimmerman said that Martin is running and he is following him and I'm sure even you would agree that "follow" and "pursue" are
synonymous so my use of the work stalking is fine. 

Again, why the tortured attempt to make a semantic argument over Zimmerman when it's got nothing to do with Bergdahl

[Archer77]

I'm using the definition that YOU provided which was "pursuing" or "harassing" and Zimmerman admitted pursuing Martin

Here's the 911 call where Zimmerman said that Martin is running and he is following him and I'm sure even you would agree that "follow" and "pursue" are
synonymous so my use of the work stalking is fine. 

Again, why the tortured attempt to make a semantic argument over Zimmerman when it's got nothing to do with Bergdahl

Again, you're only proving my point.   You're assuming he was intent on harassing Martin but you can't prove that.   You're speculating on his intentions.   I could easily counter speculated that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in had recently been subjected to a string of home break-ins by young black males, Zimmerman was right to be suspicious upon seeing an unrecognizable young black male in the neighborhood.

How you arrived at the idea that you can use stalking because follow and pursue are as you say synonymous is a huge leap in logic.   If you were walking with your boyfriend down the street would you use the word stalk?  You wouldn't because the implications of the word stalk don't fit the context of the situation.

[Straw Man]

Again, you're only proving my point.   You're assuming he was intent on harassing Martin but you can't prove that.   You're speculating on his intentions.   I could easily counter speculated that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in had recently been subjected to a string of home break-ins by young black males, Zimmerman was right to be suspicious upon seeing an unrecognizable young black male in the neighborhood.

How you arrived at the idea that you can use stalking because follow and pursue are as you say synonymous is a huge leap in logic.   If you were walking with your boyfriend down the street would you use the word stalk?  You wouldn't because the implications of the word stalk don't fit the context of the situation.

I've never said that or implied

I said he was "stalking" Martin and by the definition you provided stalking can be defined as "pursuing" and Zimmerman admitted following Martin which is the same as pursuing

I never said he was "intent on harassing" him or anything else like that

[Archer77]

I've never said that or implied

I said he was "stalking" Martin and by the definition you provided stalking can be defined as "pursuing" and Zimmerman admitted following Martin which is the same as pursuing

I never said he was "intent on harassing" him or anything else like that

Thats part of the definition of stalking. 



And we do have plenty of info about Bergdahl.  We know what he was thinking about before he left from emails.  We know that he make comments to those in his unit about leaving.  We have corroborating statements from multiple soldiers that he intended or at the very least was considering deserting.  Thats a hell of a lot of information.   Way more evidence for motivation and cause than was ever given in the zimmerman case.

[Straw Man]

Thats part of the definition of stalking. 



And we do have plenty of info about Bergdahl.  We know what he was thinking about before he left from emails.  We know that he make comments to those in his unit about leaving.  We have corroborating statements from multiple soldiers that he intended or at the very least was considering deserting.  Thats a hell of a lot of information.   Way more evidence for motivation and cause than was ever given in the zimmerman case.

the definition you provided

stalking [staw-king]  S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing

the act of pursuing was exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing

it doesn't say pursuing AND harassing...it says pursuing OR harassing

everything you said about Bergdahl is stuff that I've already mentioned

We all can agree he left his unit and that's pretty much all we know at this point

[Archer77]

the definition you provided

stalking [staw-king]  S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing

the act of pursuing was exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing

it doesn't say pursuing AND harassing...it says pursuing OR harassing

everything you said about Bergdahl is stuff that I've already mentioned

We all can agree he left his unit and that's pretty much all we know at this point

This only proves my point.  The word stalking as very specific implications and that is why you used the word.  A word by the way that was very popular on the left.  You didnt even come up with the useage of the word for the zimmerman case yourself.  You just regurgitated what you read and watched.

[Straw Man]

This only proves my point.  The word stalking as very specific implications and that is why you used the word.  A word by the way that was very popular on the left.  You didnt even come up with the useage of the word for the zimmerman case yourself.  You just regurgitated what you read and watched.

how do you think it proves your point when one of the definitions of stalking it "to pursue" and that's exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing. 

These are absolutely my words and the 911 call where Zimmerman admits following Martin are his words

what exactly do you think I'm "regurgitating" and how do you know what I've read and watched

What a wrote is a pretty concise summation of what happened. 

We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin

We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead

We all knew that from almost the very beginning.  The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started

In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before.   http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0

are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798

The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html

[Soul Crusher]

Only an idiot like straw is concerned w ashtray while the ghetto pos he voted for 2x over just released 5 of the worst terrorists on the planet.   Good job asshole.

[Archer77]

how do you think it proves your point when one of the definitions of stalking it "to pursue" and that's exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing. 

These are absolutely my words and the 911 call where Zimmerman admits following Martin are his words

what exactly do you think I'm "regurgitating" and how do you know what I've read and watched

What a wrote is a pretty concise summation of what happened. 

That only a partial definition of stalk and only an aspect of what the word means.  Pursue and follow have negative connotations but only the particular context in which they are used.  


Why did the news source you took the usesge from use that term instead of follow or pursue?  They use the term stalk because of the connotations the word has.  Stalk implies predatory behavior and thats precisely why it was being used to describe Zimmerman actions.  This was the narrative on the left and the one you decided to regurgitate. I know you regurgitate information because what you post is a rehash of opinions ive read and seen myself, right down to the usage of the word stalk.

[Archer77]

Only an idiot like straw is concerned w ashtray while the ghetto pos he voted for 2x over just released 5 of the worst terrorists on the planet.   Good job asshole.

Hes has to be young.  I deal with arguments like his all the time.

[Straw Man]

That only a partial definition of stalk and only an aspect of what the word means.  Pursue and follow have negative connotations but only the particular context in which they are used.  


Why did the news source you took the usesge from use that term instead of follow or pursue?  They use the term stalk because of the connotations the word has.  Stalk implies predatory behavior and thats precisely why it was being used to describe Zimmerman actions.  This was the narrative on the left and the one you decided to regurgitate. I know you regurgitate information because what you post is a rehash of opinions ive read and seen myself, right down to the usage of the word stalk.

Archer, I honestly can't figure out if you're slow or just have really poor reading comprehension

I'm going to shorten my responses to you so that you can focus on only one thing at a time

Let's start with this

Would you agree that the word "pursue" and the word "follow" are basically synonymous

yes or no

[Soul Crusher]

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative.

"After arriving in Qatar, Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there,” a Taliban commander told NBC News via telephone from Afghanistan.

[Soul Crusher]

FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.

Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."