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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #200 on: June 06, 2014, 09:05:01 PM »
FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.

Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."

Posted the video in another thread here.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #201 on: June 07, 2014, 05:46:36 AM »
zimm's own words... "He's running away" LOL...

dude was winded, armed, and advancing 2 blocks in under a minute thru backyards to "observe" a person he called a fcking punk and a-hole, who was then shot dead 60 seconds later.

9 outta 10 times, Zimm is going to jail for something here.  But it was a unique mix of the law, media, hype, etc that he walked on the charge.  Nobody here would want zimm on their block, randomly chasing down kids with a 9mm in the middle of the night... cause one of these days, it might be any of us out for a jog when mr 9mm decides to chase us thru the darkness and lie about a whole lotta shit while we bleed out lol.

zimm is a prick.  he chases a grown man 2 blocks with a 9mm in the rainy dark and there ain't no conversation - grown ass man fears for his life and shoots zimm as he advances.  Zimm got luck he chose an unarmed kid.  Try that shit in Texas... chase a man 2 blocks with a gun, mumbling profanity as the dude hides to avoid the MMA trained dude, 50 pounds larger, CHASING HIM.... LOL...

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #202 on: June 07, 2014, 06:37:10 AM »
FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.

Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."

what an idiotic excerpt

Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."

and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?

his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?

Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #203 on: June 07, 2014, 07:35:09 AM »


His platoon called him a deserter who fraternized w locals.   That is good enough for me.  Obama and rice can both go suck a dick w their lies and treason.
what an idiotic excerpt

Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."

and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?

his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?

Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #204 on: June 07, 2014, 08:19:50 AM »
what an idiotic excerpt

Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."

and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?

his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?

Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?

You guys are funny, Obama never seems to know about anything, or "he can't watch what everyone does". But a PFC who is a shitbird, Obama and his admin know everything there is to possibly know about his service and motivations. Fucking priceless
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #205 on: June 07, 2014, 08:25:17 AM »
This.......


Why Team Obama Was Blindsided By The Bergdahl Backlash

By Ralph Peters

Congratulations, Mr. President! And identical congrats to your sorcerer’s apprentice, National Security Adviser Susan Rice. By trying to sell him as an American hero, you’ve turned a deserter already despised by soldiers in the know into quite possibly the most-hated individual soldier in the history of our military.

I have never witnessed such outrage from our troops.

Exhibit A: Ms. Rice. In one of the most tone-deaf statements in White House history (we’re making a lot of history here), the national-security adviser, on a Sunday talk show, described Bergdahl as having served “with honor and distinction.” Those serving in uniform and those of us who served previously were already stirred up, but that jaw-dropper drove us into jihad mode.

But pity Ms. Rice. Like the president she serves, she’s a victim of her class. Nobody in the inner circle of Team Obama has served in uniform. It shows. That bit about serving with “honor and distinction” is the sort of perfunctory catch-phrase politicians briefly don as electoral armor. (“At this point in your speech, ma’am, devote one sentence to how much you honor the troops.”)

I actually believe that Ms. Rice was kind of sincere, in her spectacularly oblivious way. In the best Manchurian Candidate manner, she said what she had been programmed to say by her political culture, then she was blindsided by the firestorm she ignited by scratching two flinty words together. At least she didn’t blame Bergdahl’s desertion on a video.

The president, too, appears stunned. He has so little understanding of (or interest in) the values and traditions of our troops that he and his advisers really believed that those in uniform would erupt into public joy at the news of Bergdahl’s release — as D.C. frat kids did when Osama bin Laden’s death was trumpeted.

Both President Obama and Ms. Rice seem to think that the crime of desertion in wartime is kind of like skipping class. They have no idea of how great a sin desertion in the face of the enemy is to those in our military. The only worse sin is to side actively with the enemy and kill your brothers in arms. This is not sleeping in on Monday morning and ducking Gender Studies 101.

But compassion, please! The president and all the president’s men and women are not alone. Our media elite — where it’s a rare bird who bothered to serve in uniform — instantly became experts on military justice. Of earnest mien and blithe assumption, one talking head after another announced that “we always try to rescue our troops, even deserters.”

Uh, no. “Save the deserter” is a recent battle cry of the politically indoctrinated brass. For much of our history, we did make some efforts to track down deserters in wartime. Then we shot or hanged them. Or, if we were in good spirits, we merely used a branding iron to burn a large D into their cheeks or foreheads. Even as we grew more enlightened, desertion brought serious time in a military prison. At hard labor.

This is a fundamental culture clash. Team Obama and its base cannot comprehend the values still cherished by those young Americans “so dumb” they joined the Army instead of going to prep school and then to Harvard. Values such as duty, honor, country, physical courage, and loyalty to your brothers and sisters in arms have no place in Obama World. (Military people don’t necessarily all like each other, but they know they can depend on each other in battle — the sacred trust Bergdahl violated.)

President Obama did this to himself (and to Bergdahl). This beautifully educated man, who never tires of letting us know how much smarter he is than the rest of us, never stopped to consider that our troops and their families might have been offended by their commander-in-chief staging a love-fest at the White House to celebrate trading five top terrorists for one deserter and featuring not the families of those soldiers (at least six of them) who died in the efforts to find and free Bergdahl, but, instead, giving a starring role on the international stage to Pa Taliban, parent of a deserter and a creature of dubious sympathies (that beard on pops ain’t a tribute to ZZ Top). How do you say “outrageous insult to our vets” in Pashto?

Nor, during the recent VA scandal, had the president troubled himself to host the families of survivors of those vets who died awaiting care. No, the warmest attention our president has ever paid to a “military family” was to Mr. and Mrs. Bergdahl.

(I will refrain from criticism of the bumptious attempts to cool the flames of this political conflagration by Secretary Hagel: I never pick on the weak.)

What is to be done? Behind the outrage triggered by Team Obama’s combination of cynicism and obliviousness (Bergdahl was so ill we had to set those terrorists free immediately, without notifying Congress, but now he’s chugging power shakes in a military hospital . . . and all this just happened to come at the peak of the VA scandal . . . ), military members don’t really want to lynch Bergdahl. But they want justice.

Our military leaders need to rediscover their moral courage and honor our traditions, our regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We need a fresh, unprejudiced 15-6 investigation (the military equivalent of a grand jury). We already know, as the military has known since the first 24 hours after Bergdahl abandoned his post, that sufficient evidence exists for a court-martial, but it’s important to do this by the numbers.

It’s hard to believe that the resulting court-martial would not find Bergdahl guilty of desertion (although there will be heavy White House pressure to reduce the charge to Absent Without Leave, or AWOL, status, a lesser offense). If he is convicted, I for one do not want him to go to prison. I’m sure he has paid and paid for betraying his comrades, quite possibly suffering brutal sexual violence. But if he is found guilty, he needs to be formally reduced to the rank of private, stripped of all privileges and entitlements (the taxpayer should not pay for a deserter’s lifelong health care — Bergdahl’s book and film deals can cover that), and he should be given the appropriate prison sentence, which would then be commuted by the president. Thereafter, let Mr. Bergdahl go home and live with himself.

As for President Obama, how about just one word of thanks to the families of those fallen soldiers you sent out to find Bowe Bergdahl?
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #206 on: June 07, 2014, 08:34:52 AM »
Posted the video in another thread here.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/transcript/2014/06/06/exclusive-sgt-bowe-bergdahls-platoon-members-speak-out?page=2

Reposting

Unfortunately none of the soldiers interviewed were black, so Goodrum will maintain that Bowe crawled off through weeds unarmed in the most dangerous place in the world to be an unarmed American soldier, to "let off some steam" by goat tipping with the locals.


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #207 on: June 07, 2014, 08:52:46 AM »

His platoon called him a deserter who fraternized w locals.   That is good enough for me.  Obama and rice can both go suck a dick w their lies and treason.

your excerpt only had his platoon leader calling him a deserter and since when is fraternizing with locals a bad thing?  You can find millions of examples of that and it doesn't mean shit.   

I'm not aware of any stories of anyone in his platoon who has any personal knowledge of Bergdahl post capture

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #208 on: June 07, 2014, 08:59:59 AM »
"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #209 on: June 07, 2014, 09:04:31 AM »
"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.

wow - full on retard

I guess if he left camp on his own volition that he was impervious to being "captured"

why didn't he just explain this to his captors

it makes perfect sense

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #210 on: June 07, 2014, 09:17:56 AM »
wow - full on retard

I guess if he left camp on his own volition that he was impervious to being "captured"

why didn't he just explain this to his captors

it makes perfect sense

Yeah its called desertion, which is a crime. And if he went and joined the Muj it is called treason. Either way he is a criminal and should be treated as such.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #211 on: June 07, 2014, 10:04:23 AM »
Exactly....he wasn't "captured" .  He crawled out of camp and sought out the very people he spent the next five years living with.   Only a complete fucktard would call that being "captured"

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #212 on: June 07, 2014, 10:38:41 AM »
Exactly....he wasn't "captured" .  He crawled out of camp and sought out the very people he spent the next five years living with.   Only a complete fucktard would call that being "captured"


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #213 on: June 07, 2014, 11:00:19 AM »
"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.

Are you saying that you don't think it's possible that he was captured (i.e., held against his will) after he voluntarily left the base?

He may well have thought that he was gonna be greeted with open arms, sure, but it seems likely that his new buddies weren't as nice and friendly as he stupidly thought they would be.


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #214 on: June 07, 2014, 01:21:22 PM »
Are you saying that you don't think it's possible that he was captured (i.e., held against his will) after he voluntarily left the base?

He may well have thought that he was gonna be greeted with open arms, sure, but it seems likely that his new buddies weren't as nice and friendly as he stupidly thought they would be.



At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton


So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.
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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #215 on: June 07, 2014, 03:38:58 PM »
At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton


So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.

Oshitface called him a hero so to a cult of ofag he is a hero.  End of story

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #216 on: June 07, 2014, 07:25:56 PM »
At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton


So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.

If you read back in this thread, you'll realize that no one's "splitting hairs".  

Let me recap in case you've been having someone read this thread to you and they've been confusing you by only reading the latest one or two posts at a time:

Basically, someone mentioned that something (it doesn't matter what) happened "post-capture".  Then, another guy said, "Capture? - He wasn't captured, he deserted."  What I'm pointing out here, in the interest of accuracy (instead of truthiness, lol), is that both could be true, i.e., Bergdahl could well have deserted AND was also (subsequently) captured.

Ya follow that?  


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #217 on: June 07, 2014, 07:39:10 PM »

Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?


If you read back in this thread, you'll realize that no one's "splitting hairs".  

Let me recap in case you've been having someone read this thread to you and they've been confusing you by only reading the latest one or two posts at a time:

Basically, someone mentioned that something (it doesn't matter what) happened "post-capture".  Then, another guy said, "Capture? - He wasn't captured, he deserted."  What I'm pointing out here, in the interest of accuracy (instead of truthiness, lol), is that both could be true, i.e., Bergdahl could well have deserted AND was also (subsequently) captured.

Ya follow that?  



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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #218 on: June 07, 2014, 09:54:48 PM »
Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?



It's hard to quantify value , but as a symbolic gesture it was a bad one that showed kidnapping US citizens pays dividends

Even if o wants gitmo empty (debatable, his greatness was filling bagram faster than emptying gitmo, but the us media never mentioned the former airbase) this was not the way to do it

Much Better would have been a rescue op , like the others he took credit for, despite doing his best to scupper them.. The maersk Alabama incident where he tried to send in FBI negotiators then took credit for the sniper kills he never wanted, and scuppered a large scale rescue op that was supposed to follow it.

us sf might be killed in the process of rescuing this shitbag deserter , but it sends an unmistakable message to the kidnappers that they will be risking taking a dirt nap if they try to use us nationals as negotiating tools.


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #219 on: June 07, 2014, 10:01:36 PM »
Obama is the worst, he's surpassed Bush which is truly scary...  :-X :-X :-X

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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #220 on: June 07, 2014, 10:12:34 PM »
Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?


Ya know, what is it about these guys that makes them "the worst"?  Superpowers?  Clairvoyance?  What?

Will the terrorists be measurably stronger because of these 5 guys? I'd like to hear something that seems reasonable that supports that.  Did these 5 guys ever even come before a judge?  If they're the worst, why not? 

Convince me that these 5 guys are capable of doing stuff that the other umpteen gazillion terrorists can't and maybe I'll think about your question.


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #221 on: June 07, 2014, 10:27:44 PM »
It's hard to quantify value , but as a symbolic gesture it was a bad one that showed kidnapping US citizens pays dividends

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So are there currently a lot of Americans who these terrorists haven't been snatching up because the USA doesn't make deals often?  I guess it's possible to some degree, but if there are Americans living where these terrorists live, I think it'd be pretty dumb of them to count on this factor carrying much weight.


Much Better would have been a rescue op , like the others he took credit for, despite doing his best to scupper them.. The maersk Alabama incident where he tried to send in FBI negotiators then took credit for the sniper kills he never wanted, and scuppered a large scale rescue op that was supposed to follow it.

us sf might be killed in the process of rescuing this shitbag deserter , but it sends an unmistakable message to the kidnappers that they will be risking taking a dirt nap if they try to use us nationals as negotiating tools.


Much better for whom?  Not for the poor Americans who might die trying to rescue this Cat Stevens wannabe. 
And certainly not better for Obama who is gonna have his detractors no matter what. 

IMO, the choice made by Obama here was OK...but I question why he made a big deal about what was pretty much a "40 degree day".


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Re: Trading Terrorists for One of Our Own
« Reply #222 on: June 07, 2014, 11:25:53 PM »


LOL I am watching season 3... just saw that scene today lol.  Good call.