Was It Right To Remove Saddam?

[Skorp1o]

Insurgents Seize Iraq's Second Biggest City http://news.uk.msn.com/in-pictures/insurgents-capture-mosul

Saddam was actually mild in religious beliefs (liked alcohol, hookers, rolex's and cigars...), he would have crushed any threats to stability and security as he knew how to control and rule the country, democracy is not a suitable ideology for all cultures and we must accept that, by forcing it on other cultures we've become the dictators, we weakened the country and now it's become another Afghanistan.

[O.Z.]

same applies to Libya. And it is all about resources.
Bad miscalculation with Syria though.

[BOW]

same applies to Libya. And it is all about resources.
Bad miscalculation with Syria though.

dated a Syrian girl few years back. She was of the Christian type over there. Said family basically got threatened out of the country. Place is seriously fucked up one of the worst places to live now.

[MORTALCOIL]

Removed, yes. It's the how and when that was terrible.

[Roger Bacon]

same applies to Libya. And it is all about resources.

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Also Egypt, and Ukraine.

[SuperTed]

Iraq was better off with Saddam.

[MORTALCOIL]

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Also Egypt, and Ukraine.

Not much in common. Lybia and Irak, some similarities. But Egypt and Ukraine, absolutely nothing to do with Irak. Syria, whole different story all together.

[Roger Bacon]

Not much in common. Lybia and Irak, some similarities. But Egypt and Ukraine, absolutely nothing to do with Irak. Syria, whole different story all together.

They're all cases of the US toppling the legitimate government allowing something far worse to take power.

[Roger Bacon]

Syria, whole different story all together.

al-Assad is a moderate, I don't even think he's a true Muslim much like Saddam.

[MORTALCOIL]

They're all cases of the US toppling the legitimate government allowing something far worse to take power.

Irak was an invasion, years after having had the opportunity to get rid of him and years after supporting him also. Lybia was never supported by the US, never backed into a war like the Iraq/Iran war (leading to the Koweit invasion in fact). Ukraine? What is there in common as the Russians did as just meddling there then European countries and the US. And then again, Syria is a totally different thing; right now, most people are hoping for El-Assad to take control back though no one wants to admit it publicly.

[Roger Bacon]

Irak was an invasion, years after having had the opportunity to get rid of him and years after supporting him also. Lybia was never supported by the US, never backed into a war like the Iraq/Iran war (leading to the Koweit invasion in fact). Ukraine? What is there in common as the Russians did as just meddling there then European countries and the US. And then again, Syria is a totally different thing; right now, most people are hoping for El-Assad to take control back though no one wants to admit it publicly.

The legitimate governments of both Libya and Ukraine were toppled with the backing and support of the west (like so many other countries).

Libya is now overrun by terrorists, and the same thing is probable in Ukraine.

[MORTALCOIL]

al-Assad is a moderate, I don't even think he's a true Muslim much like Saddam.

Saddam was not a religious man at first, he's like El-Assad a member of the Baas party which is a socialist party originally close to the USSR. Syria always has a strained relationship with the US but Hafez (Bachar's father) was a strong politician and he knew how to play his cards so for a long time he was hated, feared and respected by the US and Israel. Saddam, totally different matter. From pro-russian, he becam an ally of the US when the Iranian revolution broke. He was seen as an obstacle to radical Islam for a long time.

[Roger Bacon]

Saddam was not a religious man at first, he's like El-Assad a member of the Baas party which is a socialist party originally close to the USSR. Syria always has a strained relationship with the US but Hafez (Bachar's father) was a strong politician and he knew how to play his cards so for a long time he was hated, feared and respected by the US and Israel. Saddam, totally different matter. From pro-russian, he becam an ally of the US when the Iranian revolution broke. He was seen as an obstacle to radical Islam for a long time.

Yes, but the fact is they both kept the terrorists out and the religious lunatics in check.

We've turned Iraq into a breeding ground for terrorists, and now Obama and McCain want to fight alongside Al-Qaeda against the legitimate government of Syria.

[MORTALCOIL]

The legitimate governments of both Libya and Ukraine (and Iraq, and Egypt  were toppled with the backing and support of the west (like so many other countries).

Libya is now overrun by terrorists, and the same thing is probable in Ukraine.

There was nothing legitimate in Ukraine, not this government, nor the previous or the one before.

[Roger Bacon]

There was nothing legitimate in Ukraine, not this government, nor the previous or the one before.

Viktor Yanukovych and the previous government were legitimately elected, democratically. They were overthrown by a very small minority of radicals backed by the EU.

Just like Iraq and Libya, if the west gets its way Ukraine will be handed over to radicals.

[Obvious Gimmick]

Look, when Iraqi terrorists blew up the WTC and saddam stockpiled chemical weapons, he sealed his own fate. .

[Roger Bacon]

Look, when Iraqi terrorists blew up the WTC and saddam stockpiled chemical weapons, he sealed his own fate. .

Good point 

[SuperTed]

Yes, but the fact is they both kept the terrorists out and the religious lunatics in check.

We've turned Iraq into a breeding ground for terrorists, and now Obama and McCain want to fight alongside Al-Qaeda against the legitimate government of Syria.

Exactly! One minute we are apparently fighting against Islamic extremism, the next minute, we are siding with them against the moderates (Assad).

[MORTALCOIL]

Viktor Yanukovych and the previous government were legitimately elected, democratically. They were overthrown by a very small minority of radicals backed by the EU.

Just like Iraq and Libya, if the west gets its way Ukraine will be handed over to radicals.

You really think Yanukovitch's election was legit? That Putin didn't interfere one bit? C'mon, let's be serious, it's not because the US and others do something that their foes don't use the exact same methods. Legitimacy is a very vague notion when you're talking politics even in "old" democracies (remember that first GW Bush election?). The problem lies elsewhere then in what you call legitimacy. It's more a matter of short-sighted foreign politics which always ends up in casus belli.

[Waller]

Here is a transcript sent to Saddam by Bush, found in wikileaks;

"I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day."

[wolfrittner]

Here is a transcript sent to Saddam by Bush, found in wikileaks;

"I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day."

lol

[falco]

Here is a transcript sent to Saddam by Bush, found in wikileaks;

"I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day."

[Griffith]

No.

The Americans and British killed far more in Iraq and led to far more suffering than Saddam. And it was American led sanctions which led to the deteriorating of their economy.

With regards to Kuwait, this is an artificial country with a British created monarchy with no historical basis and led by absolutist religious fanatics.

[SOMEPARTS]

"Here is a transcript sent to Saddam by Bush, found in wikileaks;"

Damn, really got me reading the next line on that one....haha.

[Kwon_2]

"Here is a transcript sent to Saddam by Bush, found in wikileaks;"

Damn, really got me reading the next line on that one....haha.

He masked it well!