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I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« on: June 11, 2014, 12:00:44 PM »
The Return of al-Qaeda



By David Ignatius - June 11, 2014



 

 

 
 

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WASHINGTON -- The capture Tuesday of Mosul, the hub of northern Iraq, by al-Qaeda-linked militants is an alarm bell that violent extremists are on the rise again in the Middle East. And it's a good time for President Obama to explain more about how he plans to fight this menace without making the mistakes of the past.

Obama needs to alert the country to the renewed extremist threat partly to clarify the record. Just 19 months ago, he won re-election arguing that his policies had vanquished the most dangerous core elements of al-Qaeda. But the organization has morphed, and deadly new battles are ahead.




 
The campaign theme that the worst terrorist threat had been licked was vividly drawn in the third debate between Obama and Republican candidate Mitt Romney, on Oct. 22, 2012.

Romney tried to shake Obama's optimistic narrative about al-Qaeda. "It's really not on the run. It's certainly not hiding. This is a group that is now involved in 10 or 20 countries, and it presents an enormous threat to our friends, to the world, to America long term, and we must have a comprehensive strategy to help reject this kind of terrorism."

Obama countered Romney's statement with his basic campaign mantra: "We ended the war in Iraq, refocused our attention on those who actually killed us on 9/11. And as a consequence, al-Qaeda's core leadership has been decimated."

Obama scored points later in that debate when he dismissed Romney's concerns about Iraq. "What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East." The transcript records Romney sputtering back: "I'm sorry, you actually -- there was a -- ."

Obama had the better of that exchange, certainly for a war-weary America that a few weeks later gave him a new mandate. But looking back, which picture was closer to the truth? Probably Romney's.

The return of al-Qaeda isn't Obama's fault; there are too many complicated factors at work here. But it helps explain the seething rage of many Republicans about Benghazi. They argue that the attack there on Sept. 11, 2012, which killed four Americans, was an early warning sign of rising chaos and extremism in the Middle East -- and that Obama made it through Election Day partly by minimizing this problem.

Much of the GOP fury on Benghazi is misplaced, imagining conspiracies that don't exist and smearing the reputations of respected public servants. But there's a piece of the Benghazi critique that's real: Extremism is back and Benghazi was a precursor.

Obama made a solid start in framing a new counterterror strategy in his graduation address at West Point last month. "Today's principal threat no longer comes from a centralized al-Qaeda leadership. Instead it comes from decentralized al-Qaeda affiliates and extremists," he said. He proposed a new Counterterrorism Partnerships Fund of up to $5 billion, "which will allow us to train, build capacity and facilitate partner countries on the front lines." Good idea, but progress has been too slow.

The administration is finally developing a serious strategy for Syria, which will include a CIA-trained guerrilla army to fight both President Bashar al-Assad and al-Qaeda extremists. In addition, (if skittish Arab allies agree), U.S. Special Operations forces will train Free Syrian Army units to create a stabilization force for liberated areas. If the ambitious plan moves forward, the hope is to train 9,600 fighters by the end of this year.

The extremist fire is burning hottest with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, which spans both countries. This group is so toxic that it's disowned by al-Qaeda and is feuding with al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. Senior U.S. intelligence officials tell me that ISIS is now recruiting fighters from some other affiliates, including the Yemen-based al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the Somali-based al-Shabab.

Zawahiri, cautious and uncharismatic, "is not coping very well," the intelligence official explains. The true heir to Osama bin Laden may be ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who is "more violent, more virulent, more anti-American" than Zawahiri, the official says.

The extremists are resurgent. After assuring America in 2012 that they were on the run, Obama now must frame a strong response that, as he rightly says, avoids the mistakes of Iraq and Afghanistan. That may be his real legacy issue.

davidignatius@washpost.com


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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 12:23:24 PM »
Hardly Obama's fault that they didn't kill every last one of them.
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 12:24:55 PM »
Hardly Obama's fault that they didn't kill every last one of them.


Just 19 months ago, he won re-election arguing that his policies had vanquished the most dangerous core elements of al-Qaeda. But the organization has morphed, and deadly new battles are ahead.


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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 12:28:58 PM »

Just 19 months ago, he won re-election arguing that his policies had vanquished the most dangerous core elements of al-Qaeda. But the organization has morphed, and deadly new battles are ahead.

Core elements = the highest ranking of them. You think they can't be replaced?

You're trying to kill a philosophy here, not people.

Can hardly blame Obama for that.
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 12:32:41 PM »
Cmon man, now you're only moaning for the sake of moaning
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 12:35:32 PM »
Jesus 333

Do you ever do anything in life other than post on this board?

Doesn't your imaginary girlfriend get pissed that you spend your entire life posting on this board

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 12:35:48 PM »
Cmon man, now you're only moaning for the sake of moaning

Obama said 30 times while running for relelection he decimated al queada.  Now they are taking over Iraq and spreading like locusts.  Its not fair to hold Obama to his claims?  

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 12:36:41 PM »

TIKRIT, Iraq, June 11 (Reuters) - Sunni insurgents from an al Qaeda splinter group extended their control from the northern city of Mosul on Wednesday to an area further south that includes Iraq's biggest oil refinery in a devastating show of strength against the Shi'ite-led government.

Security sources said militants from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) - Sunni militants waging sectarian war on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian frontier - drove into the town of Baiji late on Tuesday in armed vehicles, torching the court house and police station after freeing prisoners.

The militants offered safe passage to some 250 men guarding the refinery on the outskirts of Baiji, about 200 kilometers south of Mosul, on condition they leave.

Iraq's Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari called on his country's leaders to come together to face "the serious, mortal" threat. "The response has to be soon. There has to be a quick response to what has happened," he said during a trip to Greece.

Zebari said Baghdad would work with forces from the nearby Kurdish autonomous region to drive the fighters from Mosul.

Baiji resident Jasim al-Qaisi said the militants had also asked senior tribal chiefs in Baiji to persuade local police and soldiers not to resist their takeover.

"Yesterday at sunset some gunmen contacted the most prominent tribal sheikhs in Baiji via cellphone and told them: 'We are coming to die or control Baiji, so we advise you to ask your sons in the police and army to lay down their weapons and withdraw before (Tuesday) evening prayer'."

The Baiji refinery can process 300,000 barrels per day and supplies oil products to most of Iraq's provinces and is a major provider of power to Baghdad. A worker there said the morning shift had not been allowed to take over and the night shift was still on duty.

The push into Baiji began hours after ISIL overran Mosul, one of the great Sunni historic cities, advancing their aim of creating a Sunni Caliphate straddling the border between Iraq and Syria.


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DOMINANT PLAYER

ISIL has become a dominant player in Iraq and Syria where it has seized a string of cities over the past year, often fighting other Sunni groups.

An estimated 500,000 Iraqis have already fled Mosul, home to some 2 million people, and the surrounding province, the International Organization for Migration said on Wednesday.

The fall of Mosul is a slap to Baghdad's efforts to quash Sunni militants who have regained ground and strength in Iraq over the past year, seizing Sunni towns of Falluja and parts of Ramadi in the desert west of Baghdad at the start of the year.

The United States, which pulled its troops out from Iraq to and half years ago, pledged to help Iraqi leaders "push back against this aggression" as the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki asked parliament to declare a state of emergency.

It said Washington would support "a strong, coordinated response", adding that "ISIL is not only a threat to the stability of Iraq, but a threat to the entire region".

ISIL control in the Sunni Anbar province as well as around Mosul in the north, would help the Islamist group consolidate its grip along the frontier with Syria, where they are fighting President Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Shi'ite Iran.

Fleeing residents said ISIL fighters were leaving their stamp everywhere in the cities they seized, planting their black flags and banners on police stations, army barracks and other government buildings.

"They are all masked, but they don't do us any harm," said a 13-year old schoolboy, describing the militants who pushed into his hometown of Mosul.

A 40-year old man who fled Mosul with his family said: "We are frightened because we don't know who they are. They call themselves the revolutionaries. They told us not to be scared and that they came to liberate and free us from oppression."


KURDISH HELP?

Critics say the failure of Maliki, a Shi'ite Muslim in power for eight years, to address grievances among the once dominant Sunni minority led to a rise in Sunni militancy and pushed Sunni groups and tribes to rally behind ISIL.

Many Sunnis feel disenfranchised and some have made common cause with foreign Islamist radicals, first against the U.S. troops that overthrew Sunni dictator Saddam Hussein in 2003 and now Shi'ite-led Iraqi forces.

Most families fled north towards the nearby Kurdistan region, where Iraq's ethnic Kurds have autonomy and their own large and disciplined military force, the Peshmerga.

Some officials in Baghdad spoke of seeking help for Mosul from Kurdish Peshmerga, which have long been a force in the jockeying between Shi'ites, Kurds and Sunnis for influence and, especially, for control of oilfields in the north of Iraq.

Two officials in the ministry of Peshmerga said on Wednesday that there was no military coordination between Baghdad and Arbil, but that on the ground locally there was some coordination between Iraqi army and Kurdish forces.

Peshmerga now control the Rabia area on the border with Syria after the Iraqi army allowed them to deploy there and also the Kusk base, 45 km west of Mosul, and some other brigade headquarters

Asked whether the Peshmerga would try to enter Mosul, Halgurd Hikmat, media officer at ministry of Peshmerga, said that depended on the President of the region and that a formal request would have to be made by Maliki, who is commander of the Iraqi armed forces.

ISIL, led by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, broke with al Qaeda's international leader, Osama bin Laden's former lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahri, and has clashed with al Qaeda fighters in Syria.

The group, originally rooted in austere Sunni groups like the Tawhid, fought US and Iraqi forces after Saddam's fall and the Shi'ite rise to power that ending decades of Sunni rule. ISIL regards Shi'ites as heretics.

ISIL posted photographs of its fighters wearing black balaclavas on its "Nineveh State" Twitter account, interspersed with verses from the Koran. The group dubbed the Mosul offensive "Enter Upon Them Through The Gates".

In a newsletter, ISIL enjoined Sunnis to join them in the fight against Maliki's "Safavid" army - a reference to the Persian dynasty that promoted Shi'ite Islam.

"Join the ranks oh brothers!" ran one slogan. "Maliki's tyrannical strength no match for pious believers."

In the province of Salahuddin, they overran three villages in the Shirqat district, torching police stations, town halls and local council buildings before raising the ISIL banner.

Nearly 800 people were killed in violence across Iraq in May - the highest monthly death toll so far this year. Last year was the deadliest since the sectarian bloodletting of 2006-07. (Additional reporting by Raheem Salman; Writing by Isabel Coles; Editing by Samia Nakhoul and Anna Willard)

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 12:39:24 PM »
Do you read all the endless articles you post? Or just the headlines?
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 12:44:41 PM »
Do you read all the endless articles you post? Or just the headlines?

I just look for anything that can shame Obama - don't really read much at all - and race to post it as fas as I can   :D  :D  :D

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 12:46:24 PM »
I just look for anything that can shame Obama - don't really read much at all - and race to post it as fas as I can   :D  :D  :D

QFT  8)

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 12:50:02 PM »
I just look for anything that can shame Obama - don't really read much at all - and race to post it as fas as I can   :D  :D  :D

Haha, no kidding there.  And strangely enough people still argue with you  :D
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 12:50:41 PM »
Haha, no kidding there.  And strangely enough people still argue with you  :D
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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 12:54:03 PM »
I just look for anything that can shame Obama - don't really read much at all - and race to post it as fas as I can   :D  :D  :D

good for you 333

you're finally starting to recognize you have OCD and you post for the sake of posting

there is no reason for it

it's just like the freaks who need to wash their hands 50 times a day or turn a light on and off 50 times before they can leave the house

It's just part of your bundle of mental health issues

Seriously though, recognizing that you have a problem is the first step toward hopefully getting better

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 01:07:58 PM »
Obama lied Al Queada Thrived  8)

good for you 333

you're finally starting to recognize you have OCD and you post for the sake of posting

there is no reason for it

it's just like the freaks who need to wash their hands 50 times a day or turn a light on and off 50 times before they can leave the house

It's just part of your bundle of mental health issues

Seriously though, recognizing that you have a problem is the first step toward hopefully getting better

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 01:11:03 PM »
Obama lied Al Queada Thrived  8)


and your OCD causes you to humiliate yourself on a daily basis

serious question though, doesn't you imaginary girlfriend get upset that you spend the majority of your waking hours on this board

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 01:12:07 PM »
and your OCD causes you to humiliate yourself on a daily basis

serious question though, doesn't you imaginary girlfriend get upset that you spend the majority of your waking hours on this board

How about you respond to the thread oh frail one. 

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 01:16:38 PM »
How about you respond to the thread oh frail one. 

LOL @ frail

you obviously know nothing about me (in spite of you begging me for a photo)

question for you

why should I respond to something you've posted when you have admitted you haven't even read it


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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 01:18:52 PM »
LOL @ frail

you obviously know nothing about me (in spite of you begging me for a photo)

question for you

why should I respond to something you've posted when you have admitted you haven't even read it




For shits and giggles and to melt down in defense of your messiah ?   :o

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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 01:21:44 PM »

For shits and giggles and to melt down in defense of your messiah ?   :o

you can do anything you want for shits and giggles but you're an idiot if you expect anyone to take you seriously when you admit you don't even read the articles you post

Of course, this is not major revelation since it's been revealed over and over again

Your ability to be oblivious to self humiliation is pretty impressive though



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Re: I thought Ayotollah Obama said Al Queada was decimated?
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2014, 06:48:46 AM »
http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/iraqi-drama-catches-u-s-off-guard-1402529874-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwMTExNDEyWj


Unreal - Obama literally is clueless about anything but gay issues, abortion, gun control, and doing chooms and crack