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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2014, 09:30:35 AM »
Bring back Saddam he will take care of this shit quick.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2014, 09:55:04 AM »
Bring back Saddam he will take care of this shit quick.

Its one of saddam's henchmen who is leading ISIS... he knows what he is doing

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2014, 10:23:00 AM »
LOL, I don't know that Bush "inhabits my mind", I just remember that he was the President from 2000-2008 and that he was the commander in chief who sold this war and implemented it.  There were many countries around the world that begged us not to invade Iraq and to allow inspections to rid Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction but Bush and the Republican dominated Congress wouldn't hear of it.  Are we all supposed to just forget all of that simply because he's no longer in office?  As the old saying goes....."some mistakes are built to last".  The war in Iraq was one of them, and sadly we're all paying a heavy price for it.

This is funny....we have a do nothing Urkel as POTUS for 6 years and everything is still Bush's fault.

These goatfuckers have zero fear of a U.S. led by Obama.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2014, 10:51:18 AM »
This is funny....we have a do nothing Urkel as POTUS for 6 years and everything is still Bush's fault.

These goatfuckers have zero fear of a U.S. led by Obama.
So if the war in Iraq is not Bush's fault, then whose fault is it?  It's like Republicans want us so badly to forget about the Bush years and pretend modern American history began the day Barack Obama took office.  If people are going to have an honest discussion about this shit then stop denying recent history.  The war in Iraq was George W Bush's war all the way through.  It will define him historically.  If you can't admit to that then you're just in denial, which I understand most Republicans are these days because of how badly things went during his administration.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2014, 11:29:42 AM »
And we were on solid ground in Iraq had we left troops. Its the dems that forget how they fucked things up there. Its the dems they turned the low simmer war in Afghanistan into the current shit show.
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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2014, 11:48:37 AM »
So if the war in Iraq is not Bush's fault, then whose fault is it?  It's like Republicans want us so badly to forget about the Bush years and pretend modern American history began the day Barack Obama took office.  If people are going to have an honest discussion about this shit then stop denying recent history.  The war in Iraq was George W Bush's war all the way through.  It will define him historically.  If you can't admit to that then you're just in denial, which I understand most Republicans are these days because of how badly things went during his administration.

You seriously believe denial is exclusive to Republicans, yet you want an "honest discussion." Simply amazing.

But what the hell does this have to do with important stuff, like electricity and green edibles?

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2014, 12:02:00 PM »
So if the war in Iraq is not Bush's fault, then whose fault is it?  It's like Republicans want us so badly to forget about the Bush years and pretend modern American history began the day Barack Obama took office.  If people are going to have an honest discussion about this shit then stop denying recent history.  The war in Iraq was George W Bush's war all the way through.  It will define him historically.  If you can't admit to that then you're just in denial, which I understand most Republicans are these days because of how badly things went during his administration.

After 9/11, when GWB went to Congress with a vote to invade Iraq......did the Dems vote 100% against it?

Fuck you and your do-nothing Obama, Clinton, Holder, Pelosi, and Emmanuel pieces of shit.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2014, 12:04:56 PM »
I wonder if we get a do-over

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2014, 12:07:41 PM »
I wonder if we get a do-over


 ???

you mean a 3rd go at it  ??? ??? ???

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2014, 01:52:25 PM »
After 9/11, when GWB went to Congress with a vote to invade Iraq......did the Dems vote 100% against it?

Fuck you and your do-nothing Obama, Clinton, Holder, Pelosi, and Emmanuel pieces of shit.
LOL, okay guy, settle down.  When you refer to President Obama as a "do nothing", does that refer to him not pointlessly invading sovereign countries in an unfunded war that would ruin our international standing and balloon the national debt for years to come?  If so, then yes, he's a do-nothing kind of guy.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2014, 01:56:16 PM »
LOL, okay guy, settle down.  When you refer to President Obama as a "do nothing", does that refer to him not pointlessly invading sovereign countries in an unfunded war that would ruin our international standing and balloon the national debt for years to come?  If so, then yes, he's a do-nothing kind of guy.



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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2014, 01:59:12 PM »
LOL, okay guy, settle down.  When you refer to President Obama as a "do nothing", does that refer to him not pointlessly invading sovereign countries in an unfunded war that would ruin our international standing and balloon the national debt for years to come?  If so, then yes, he's a do-nothing kind of guy.

No......he's "do nothing" on the minor stuff like:

The economy
Unemployment
American safety
Border closing
Immigration
Upholding the law
Embassy protection
etc.

Just minor shot no one will notice....

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2014, 03:17:21 PM »
we should let the kurds, iranians, saudies, turks and Israelis seal the place off.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2014, 03:38:55 PM »
No......he's "do nothing" on the minor stuff like:

The economy
Unemployment
American safety
Border closing
Immigration
Upholding the law
Embassy protection
etc.

Just minor shot no one will notice....


Don't foget the no way out, failing QE bond buying program.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2014, 04:11:04 PM »
Why not just capture all oil, get all the money,gold,valuables from that area and then just bomb it?

Would settle everything.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2014, 04:11:52 PM »
 http://news.yahoo.com/obama-275-us-forces-deploy-iraq-224935615.html


Obama: 275 US forces can deploy to Iraq







WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is notifying Congress that about 275 U.S. military personnel could deploy to Iraq.

Obama says the forces are going to provide support and security for U.S. personnel and the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. He says the forces are equipped for combat and will remain in Iraq until the security situation becomes such that they are no longer needed.

About 160 troops are already in Iraq, including 50 Marines and more than 100 Army soldiers. Some of those soldiers have only recently arrived.

Under the authorization Obama outlined, a U.S. official says the U.S. will put an additional 100 soldiers in a nearby third country where they would be held in reserve until needed.

The White House says the U.S. military personnel are entering Iraq with its consent.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2014, 04:38:09 PM »
U.S. Doesn’t Know Who to Hit in Iraq



The U.S. military has the capability to conduct air strikes over Iraq within hours. The problem is they don’t know exactly who they are supposed to be targeting.

President Obama is repositioning military assets closer to Iraq, in case he wants to strike at the terrorists that are threatening to tear the country apart. The problem is, the U.S. doesn’t know who it’s supposed to hit.

 
Current and retired American defense and intelligence officials tell The Daily Beast that the CIA and the Pentagon are not certain who exactly makes up the forces that have taken so much of Iraq. Moreover, these intelligence and defense officials says that they believe that some of the people fighting with Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) are former U.S. allies who could be turned against the hard-core fanatics—if they can be identified.

“We don’t have boots on ground providing intelligence and we don’t have confidence in information that the Iraqi government provides, because they’ve [been] so heavy-handed in the use of force against Sunni villages,” said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a senior member of the House Intelligence Committee.

In other words, the American intelligence community is only now scrambling to draw up a potential target list in Iraq, and possibly Syria—even though the threat of ISIS has been visibly growing for years.
And while the analysts are trying to figure out who they should zero in on, Obama administration lawyers are wrestling with what legal authorities the president might have to carry out an attack.

While ISIS is taking over cities like Mosul and Tikrit—acquiring the equipment of a modern army in the process—a strike on ISIS wouldn’t be as simple as, say, attacking one of Saddam’s tank columns during the last Iraq war. It requires a different kind of intelligence. The prime objective is to detain or kill individuals who are indispensable to the networks used by terrorists to conduct their attacks. This model means that the drone strike is the last piece of a long process to identify, locate and verify where an individual target resides. And while that work has been enhanced by high-tech gadgets that can intercept cellphone traffic, it still requires the basic tradecraft of human spying.

But the United States lost much of its visibility into the foreign fighter network in Iraq when it withdrew forces from Iraq in 2011 and pulled its intelligence officers—CIA and defense—inside the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, according to a former senior U.S. official who had been stationed there during the process.

“We don’t have boots on the ground providing intelligence and we don’t have confidence in information that the Iraqi government provides.”
Because the State Department was unable to secure any agreement to use bases inside Iraq after the end of 2011, most U.S. aerial surveillance of Iraq is flown out of bases in Turkey and Qatar.

The U.S. intelligence community’s ability to gather information on Islamic militant fighter networks narrowed further when the U.S. shut down its embassy in Damascus, which housed an interagency group of CIA, Pentagon and other officers devoted to tracking militants, according to two former U.S. officials.

All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss intelligence matters publicly.

The U.S. wasn’t completely left in the dark. The Defense Intelligence Agency was still able to monitor violent incidents and write up weekly reports on the rise in terrorism in 2012 and 2013. Heather Akers Healy, an independent researcher, shared Sunday some of those reports that she obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.

DIA’s director Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn warned Congress in February that ISIS, which he said simply was al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) by another name, “probably will attempt to take territory in Iraq and Syria to exhibit its strength in 2014, as demonstrated recently in Ramadi and Fallujah, and the group’s ability to concurrently maintain multiple safe havens in Syria.”

He said while most Iraqi Sunnis “probably remain opposed to AQI’s ideology and presence in Iraq and Syria, some Sunni tribes and insurgent groups appear willing to work tactically with AQI as they share common anti-government goals,” because of what Flynn described as “Baghdad’s refusal to address long-standing Sunni grievances, and continued heavy-handed approach to counterterror operations.”

But nonetheless many inside the U.S. government acknowledge that American intelligence gathering is not what it was before U.S. troops withdrew from the country at the end of 2011.

Complicating that task is that ISIS has taken refuge in urban areas,
making striking them without striking civilians near to impossible, Schiff said. “"I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.

It’s hard to imagine how we could do something that would produce...even the most modest tactical advantage,” he added Sunday.

Determining the enemy’s identity is key to figuring out what legal authority the White House could use to target Iraq’s enemies—something administration lawyers are grappling with as military planners try to come up with a target list, according to the senior administration official, who was briefed on the issue.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2014, 04:49:58 PM »
Obama should start by targeting the 5 prisoners he set free from gitmo


Wonder if that show of weakness from America gave these terrorists nutjobs the extra balls they are walking around with right now ?

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2014, 08:44:59 PM »
No......he's "do nothing" on the minor stuff like:

The economy
Unemployment
American safety
Border closing
Immigration
Upholding the law
Embassy protection
etc.

Just minor shot no one will notice...

Man you are delusional.  The economy?  Do you remember the Global Financial Crisis of 07-08?  Bush was President bro.  It's considered to be the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.  The economy never rebounded completely.  It's not like flipping a switch dude, our whole economy collapsed to the point of the federal gov't bailing out these private entities to the tune of billions of taxpayer dollars just to artificially keep us from falling back into a depression.  All happened under Bush.

American safety?  Really?  As I recall the last major terrorist attack on American soil occurred on 9/11.  Bush was the President dude.  Obama has done a good job keeping American soil safe from further attacks.  He also green lighted the mission that took out Bin Laden regardless of Republicans just absolutely refusing to give him credit for having the fucking balls to make that politically dangerous move.

Border Closing?  It's not a fucking door we can swing shut dude.  No President has been able to fully address the immigration of Mexicans into our country.  It's a large and complicated problem that every President has struggle with.  But don't kid yourself, many immigrants come to America to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families.  They're not all thugs and welfare junkies looking for a free ride.  That's just hatred spewed at them the same way it was once spewed at the Irish, or the Italians when they were coming to America to seek a better life.

Upholding the law -- I don't even know what the fuck you mean by that, pretty sure Obama is obeying the law bro LOL.  And Embassy protection???  Oh God, let me guess, Benghazi??  You've been listening to Lindey Graham too long man.  American Embassy's in unstable middle eastern countries have always been dangerous places.  The people who work there know it's a dangerous assignment.  You're in fucking Libya!  Jesus man.  I swear to God I think the Republican party in America has been hijacked by delusional lunatics that twist every incident to fit their own narrative.  Obama won re-election soundly and do you know why???  Because the silent majority knows he came into that job with 1600 Penn Ave in fucking flames.  He's had to put a tourniquet on this country to stop the fucking hemorrhaging we were suffering from 8 years of absolute shit fucking leadership from a group of incompetent morons led by and imbecile President and a self-serving megalomaniac elitist VP in Dick Cheney.  Sorry bro, but that is how it is.  

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2014, 09:13:04 PM »
2 Wars , Trillions Spent

and these fuckers still not scared of the big war machine



time to bring out the big boys






yes,10 of these will take care of it,1 day of bombing,eternal peace to the world
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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2014, 09:16:10 PM »
If were lucky it will fall back into the hands of a dictator like Sadaam...... Whats more likely is that it is going to descend into complete anarchy and become a hotbed for terrorist activity, the people Sadaam used to control will now be loose and they will come after us just like the others....

Now the price of oil is going to skyrocket again... complete chaos is going to erupt.. what a clusterfuck.

we get most our oil from elsewhere.. like Canada and mexico.

unless that's changed since I was a trader (back when oil was feared to hit 200/bar).

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2014, 10:59:54 PM »
The British are to blame for setting the borders of Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan and Iraq. Iraq is 3 tribes (Kurd, Sunni and Shia) who HATE each other held together by a dictator Sadam Hussein. Corporatist Bush invaded because of oil, sorta won as long as we kept a Korea style force in country, and Socialist Obama because of his world vision, brought all the troops home contrary to his own advisers. Two fucked Presidents have given the Islamists ,ISIL, a new land which to train terrorists to blow up you and me....and they can walk into Texas while our Border Patrol is busy changing diapers and washing kids from Honduras, El Salvador, and Nicaragua. Dream Act.....that's all on Obama.   

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2014, 01:18:13 AM »
It's not a matter of civil war, it's a drug problem. Normal human beings would not chose become religious fanatics thinking they are enlightened but really just terrorists who shoot up towns of innocent people. Drugs allow you to disconnect, the middle east is the mecca of heroin, opiates and various other drugs. The stigma against alcohol only adds to that.

They are fucked, it will never settle until their drugs and fanatic belief systems are dealt with.

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2014, 01:19:57 AM »
Ship them all to Sweden, problem solved

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Re: oh brother "crisis" in Iraq already
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2014, 01:44:09 AM »
Here we go again USA sending troops to Iraq.