complete different builds here and one training long time and other is enjoying good life ,party,and has very good genetics,and 'shape'for tallguy,arms will never be 'groink'like without abusing the shit out of his system and training loads to tax them,skorpis good guy and groink too he likes to defend his rep here 'dosen't need to'but whatever...both reached physical pinnacle without killing themselves,age isn't issue both look good.