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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2014, 11:05:27 AM »
they're ALL lawbreakers.  Any "undocumented worker" is actually an "illegal alien" in that they commit a crime daily.

now, these "repubs" are suddenly like "well, if they're willing to work..." - Well, the illegals are breaking the law, so already you are willing to let people break the law, as long as they hold a job?  Yet if any of us "legals" breaks the law daily, we go to jail. 

They don't know what they believe in.  They shift their belief system daily based upon what FOX and Rush tell them, and they cannot argue that.  Most were shitting all over obama for pushing his DREAM crap, and suddenly they're telling us how important it is to let these illegals stay due to "acts of love" or other bulllshite.  it's amazing to see how many "republicans" on getbig can abandon their beliefs because the talking boob tube told them to.

Not illegals. Those who are not here legally need to go back. If you want to come here and stay here, do it legally.

And I've never spewed any "act of love" bullshit. You're either trolling or not reading my posts and putting words in my mouth.

Unlike many, I actually get out of the house and make a living. I actually own a small business and have managed inside of larger companies. I don't post on getbig 20 hours a day and wouldn't want to.

I have clients, friends, and family members who own or manage businesses that employ large numbers of people who tell me that they have to hire foreign engineers, chemists, comp scientists, laborers, and recently doctors who were not born here. Too many Americans want to major in sociology or play x-box all day, unfortunately.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2014, 11:39:29 AM »
Sorry 2Thick, I wasn't talking about you specifically.  My disgust is with the GOP "leadership" and media that completely reversed course on an issue as huge as amnesty, two weeks after the 2012 defeat. 

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2014, 11:46:19 AM »
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2014, 01:51:27 PM »
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.


Which Sterling thread did you mean to post this in?

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2014, 01:56:29 PM »
Never understood the point of 'illegal or legal', when we cannot trust the lawmakers.

Sounds like a great way to get fucked around, real fast.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2014, 02:03:46 PM »
Which Sterling thread did you mean to post this in?

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I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2014, 02:06:35 PM »
Never understood the point of 'illegal or legal', when we cannot trust the lawmakers.

Sounds like a great way to get fucked around, real fast.

I'll let you smart guys sort it all out.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2014, 02:14:00 PM »
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.


ROFL

I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.

ROFL X 2  ;D

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2014, 02:43:00 PM »
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.

Didn't see any active Sterling threads, lol. That's why I wondered.


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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2014, 02:43:49 PM »
I'll let you smart guys sort it all out.

Can't trust politicians, 2Thick. I'm sure you know that.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2014, 02:55:02 PM »
ROFL

ROFL X 2  ;D

I'm sure ESFitness would be fun as hell to get drunk with.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2014, 05:37:40 PM »
I'm sure ESFitness would be fun as hell to get drunk with.

haha, yeah!! He cracks me up, he's talented.

I reposted that business post in a million threads lol

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2014, 06:22:39 PM »
haha, yeah!! He cracks me up, he's talented.

I reposted that business post in a million threads lol

Hahaha... ;D I thought it had that ESFitness look to it.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2014, 08:20:34 PM »
Immigration reform is needed NOW...the fucking flower bed isn't going to mulch itself.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2014, 08:31:18 AM »

From above link:

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Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

According to a major new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, CIS scholars Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler found that there were 127,000 fewer working-age natives holding a job in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000, while the number of immigrants with a job was 5.7 million above the 2000 level.

The rapidity with which immigrants recovered from the Great Recession, as well as the fact that they held a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth before the recession, help to explain their findings, the authors report. In addition, native-born Americans and immigrants were affected differently by the recession.

Other significant findings include:

        *Because the native-born population grew significantly, but the number working actually fell, there were 17 million more working-age natives not working in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000.

        *The share of natives working or looking for work, referred to as labor force participation, shows the same decline as the employment rate. In fact, labor force participation has continued to decline for working-age natives even after the jobs recovery began in 2010.

        *Immigrants have made gains across the labor market, including lower-skilled jobs such as maintenance, construction, and food service; middle-skilled jobs like office support and health care support; and high­er-skilled jobs, including management, computers, and health care practitioners.

        *The supply of potential workers is enormous: 8.7 million native college graduates are not working, as are 17 million with some college, and 25.3 million with no more than a high school education.

According to the study, 58 million working-age natives are not employed.

Camarota and Zeigler report three conclusions:

        *First, the long-term decline in the employment for natives across age and education levels is a clear in­dication that there is no general labor shortage, which is a primary justification for the large increases in immigration (skilled and unskilled) in the Schumer-Rubio bill and similar House proposals.

        *Second, the decline in work among the native-born over the last 14 years of high immigration is consis­tent with research showing that immigration reduces employment for natives.

        *Third, the trends since 2000 challenge the argument that immigration on balance increases job oppor­tunities for natives. Over 17 million immigrants arrived in the country in the last 14 years, yet native employment has deteriorated significantly.

The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit research institute. Founded in 1985, the organization is regularly consulted by policymakers, the academic community, and the media on matters of immigration policy.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2014, 10:08:36 AM »
Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

According to a major new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, CIS scholars Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler found that there were 127,000 fewer working-age natives holding a job in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000, while the number of immigrants with a job was 5.7 million above the 2000 level.

this destroys the weak argument from liberals and fake-ass republicans that "immigrants only do the jobs that legal americans don't want to do!"

Seeing headlines like this, I can't understand how anyone can support dream or amnesty.  Unless ALL JOB GROWTH in the USA in the last 14 years is "jobs americans dont want", then yes, very much so, illegals have taken american jobs.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2014, 10:23:14 AM »
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.


Owning a sports franchise isn't like owning an ordinary private business.  You can force a man to sell his business if the man agreed that his ownership interest could be take away by the vote of other business owners.  That's what happened to Sterling.   

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2014, 12:32:00 PM »
this destroys the weak argument from liberals and fake-ass republicans that "immigrants only do the jobs that legal americans don't want to do!"

Seeing headlines like this, I can't understand how anyone can support dream or amnesty.  Unless ALL JOB GROWTH in the USA in the last 14 years is "jobs americans dont want", then yes, very much so, illegals have taken american jobs.

Yes. The idea that someone would dare to proclaim certainty about what everyone else "doesn't want", when we're talking about the difference between surviving and being sunk, is absolutely outrageous. NO ONE can rightly decide that for others.

Think of the absurd level of presumption it requires, and tell me it doesn't define the very worst sort of elitism (not to mention stupidity).

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »
We've got to protect America, boys. We're getting stomped by the pigs. This issue is the FRONT LINE.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2014, 12:52:19 PM »
It is a fight against the devil, friends, and nothing less than that. It is every bit that serious. Think of the only potential path.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2014, 01:59:37 PM »
Owning a sports franchise isn't like owning an ordinary private business.  You can force a man to sell his business if the man agreed that his ownership interest could be take away by the vote of other business owners.  That's what happened to Sterling.   

you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.


I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2014, 04:17:36 PM »
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.


I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.

Against "G&O-style", no can defend.

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Says Immigration Reform Can't Wait
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2014, 04:26:58 PM »
Oh... well if Rupert Murdoch says it then I guess we better listen! Also, isn't it funny that Murdoch, who appeared quite senile at his hearing in front of a UK Parliamentary Committee, is now totally not senile?

What a fucking joke.