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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2014, 01:42:20 PM »
I agree that Phil's narrow frame which is a structural flaw, Takes him out of the running. The highest I would put him if I were a judge and all things are equal is 5th.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2014, 01:45:35 PM »
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Lol @ posting lics where phil appears wider than ronnie.

Percfectly comparison pics, the scald isnt off at all. You go guy. :D

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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2014, 01:56:43 PM »
1999 Olympia - IFBB

1     Ronnie Coleman
2     Ken Wheeler (Flex)
3     Chris Cormier
4     Kevin Levrone
5     Shawn Ray
6     Nasser El Sonbaty
7     Paul Dillett
8     Lee Priest
9     Dexter Jackson
10     Milos Sarcev
11     Mike Matarazzo
12     Markus Rühl
13     Ernie Taylor
14     Pavol Jablonicky
15     Jay Cutler
16     Jean Pierre Fux













Hard to really compare.
In that line up... maybe
Around 6th / 7th.

Depth of quality was so
much Better then.
Drier & harder looking
than now.

Oh for a time machine.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2014, 02:01:23 PM »
Ronnie would leave Heath for dead.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2014, 02:03:37 PM »
Ronnie would leave Heath for dead.
Without question.
Heath would disappear next to the Ronster, or Doz.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2014, 03:57:21 PM »
We have to remember that in 1999, most if not all of the early 90s gods were burned out, shadows of their former level... Except Coleman and Cormier, who looked phenomenal, top two at that show, imo... Flex oilbag, Nasser the same, Dillett was at 40% of his top shape, Levrone same, and so on, most of them burned out... Still i would put peak Heath (2010-2011) in the lower top 10...

Yeah it was close between Ronnie and Cormier that day

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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2014, 04:04:34 PM »
1999 Olympia - IFBB

1     Ronnie Coleman
2     Ken Wheeler (Flex)
3     Chris Cormier
4     Kevin Levrone
5     Shawn Ray
6     Nasser El Sonbaty
7     Paul Dillett
8     Lee Priest
9     Dexter Jackson
10     Milos Sarcev
11     Mike Matarazzo
12     Markus Rühl
13     Ernie Taylor
14     Pavol Jablonicky
15     Jay Cutler
16     Jean Pierre Fux
a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...

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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2014, 04:09:16 PM »
a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...

Ruhl got robbed from day 1 as a pro. Was already a super-freak back then :o


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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2014, 04:19:12 PM »
There's way less variety in physiques nowadays. You can predict 7-8 of top 10 every O with ease. Shame.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2014, 06:41:20 PM »
Ronnie is the greatest of all time. No one could touch Ronnie at his best.  However, if Phil Heath came in at 100% he would have beat 3 to 4 versions of Ronnie at the Olympia (2002, 2004, 2005, maybe 01).  Phil is always shredded, always big. You guys have your "nostalgia" goggles on.  Everyone had flaws. Ray was small, Wheeler was narrow from the back and lacked ham/glute conditioning(also weird shoulders).  Levrone wasn't 100 and didn't have the wheels nor the back Heath has.  Cormier would have battled with him in 99 but Heath's conditioning/density would win out.

Lets talk about what Heath beats Ronnie in.  Heath has better calves, better separation in his thighs and better abs(although not great). Heath has a bdb that is about on par with Ronnies, although he lacks the width Ronnie had on the rear lat spread but Heath would be able to hang where these other guys would fall off.

 Phil is a 3xMr. Olympia. For whatever reason people are bashing Phil but here is the bottom line- Phil has more Mr. Olympias than Wheeler, Levrone, Ray, Cormier, El Sonbaty combined. And no way in hell Phil beats Ronnie in 99. End of thread.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2014, 06:52:49 PM »
Ronnie is the greatest of all time. No one could touch Ronnie at his best.  However, if Phil Heath came in at 100% he would have beat 3 to 4 versions of Ronnie at the Olympia (2002, 2004, 2005, maybe 01).  Phil is always shredded, always big. You guys have your "nostalgia" goggles on.  Everyone had flaws. Ray was small, Wheeler was narrow from the back and lacked ham/glute conditioning(also weird shoulders).  Levrone wasn't 100 and didn't have the wheels nor the back Heath has.  Cormier would have battled with him in 99 but Heath's conditioning/density would win out.

Lets talk about what Heath beats Ronnie in.  Heath has better calves, better separation in his thighs and better abs(although not great). Heath has a bdb that is about on par with Ronnies, although he lacks the width Ronnie had on the rear lat spread but Heath would be able to hang where these other guys would fall off.

 Phil is a 3xMr. Olympia. For whatever reason people are bashing Phil but here is the bottom line- Phil has more Mr. Olympias than Wheeler, Levrone, Ray, Cormier, El Sonbaty combined. And no way in hell Phil beats Ronnie in 99. End of thread.

I don't know who the fuck you think you are but you don't have the final say in these matters.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2014, 07:11:34 PM »
I agree that Phil's narrow frame which is a structural flaw, Takes him out of the running. The highest I would put him if I were a judge and all things are equal is 5th.
shawn ray beautifally built 'nohomo'considered narrow..

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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2014, 07:41:36 PM »
Ray is great, Cormier is dog excrement.

Did Cormier have a gangbang with your girl??

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2014, 08:04:23 PM »
You must be either smokin' crack or blind. Look at their lower back goddammit! Coleman's back is paper-thin compared to Kai! Kai's back is 3'' "deeper" with 15 pds more beef overall :o

No one has thicker lower lats than Kai and that's all Kai has on Coleman. Look at the rest of the pic. Kai has no chance.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2014, 08:15:21 PM »
I just can not see Heath placing infront of Dillet. 
Even sans back Paul was just so much drier than we have ever seen from blown up from the inside Phil.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2014, 08:28:32 PM »
no one can top this kind of quality
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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2014, 08:31:43 PM »
no one can top this kind of quality
No one can top that fuzzy, oversharpened pic, thats for sure.

Never understand wby you always resort to using the sharpened fuzzy pic, the HD one iceman posts is plenty impressive enough and then no one can call you on using iffy pics to prove a point.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2014, 08:38:42 PM »
the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole

its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.

Heath doesn't come close.
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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2014, 08:42:22 PM »
the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole

its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.

Heath doesn't come close.
This lic is legit and you know it.

The other is fuzzy and oversharpened, and you know it. Weve been over this, I dont care, as I totally agree ronnie would smash phil apart, but just stop your douchebaggery and post the legit HD pics. Theyre impressive enough

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2014, 09:26:20 PM »
the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole

its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.

Heath doesn't come close.


Affeman is such an idiot.

Look at those striations in ronnies chest. Everything about ronnie just beats phil.
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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2014, 01:48:38 AM »
Not even crossing the line would save him there. He'd have to jump on the judge's table cock to stand a chance for the top 5.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2014, 03:43:09 AM »
the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole

its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.

Heath doesn't come close.

Yeah, noone doubts tha validity of your 90s VHS screencaps where everyone on stage looked shredded in comparison to the 2014 Full HD shots from Heath and Co ::)

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Re: Would HEATH survive in this lineup?
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2014, 05:54:43 AM »
a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...

Americans vs aliens. Aliens always lose.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2014, 05:56:23 AM »
I just can not see Heath placing infront of Dillet. 
Even sans back Paul was just so much drier than we have ever seen from blown up from the inside Phil.

Depends on who is sponsored by Muscletech.

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Re: Phil Heath - Would he have been first or second at the 1999 Olympia?
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2014, 06:01:03 AM »
the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole

its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.

Heath doesn't come close.
I don't think he could beat chris here..