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George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« on: June 25, 2014, 06:57:32 AM »
Yup...nothing to see here.  ::)

Here's -- we know six things, Chris. We know first the targeting occurred.
Therefore, second, we know that this is worse than article two of the Nixon impeachment count, which said Nixon endeavored to use the IRS. The IRS back then resisted.

Third, we know that this became public in an act of deceit when Lois Lerner planted a question with a friend in an audience to try and get this out on her own terms.

Fourth, we know that she has taken the Fifth Amendment because she has a right to do this when she has a reasonable suspicion that there might be criminal activity involved.

Fifth, we know that from the timeline you put up today, that there has been 13 months of stonewalling on this.

And sixth, now we know that not only her hard drive, but six other people intimately involved in this suddenly crashed in an amazing miraculous coincidence. Religions have been founded on less, ten days after the investigation started.

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 07:34:46 AM »
This scandal alone should be major, impeachment level news.

The resident libs wont touch this. They might attack you though.

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 11:15:11 AM »
Its not going away.......those emails are somewhere and they lead to somebody.  If they didn't we'd have em.
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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 11:40:14 AM »
Why is Will bringing up Nixon?  Is there a connection between Lerner and the White House?  (Sincere question, I'm not up on this situation because I feel that the tax-free status of those so-called apolitical groups deserved scrutiny anyway.)

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 11:57:24 AM »
Why is Will bringing up Nixon?  Is there a connection between Lerner and the White House?  (Sincere question, I'm not up on this situation because I feel that the tax-free status of those so-called apolitical groups deserved scrutiny anyway.)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/laura-flint/2014/06/25/jon-stewart-irs-borders-criminal-idiocy?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Marketing+&utm_term=Facebook&utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=stewart-irs

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 12:04:37 PM »
Why is Will bringing up Nixon?  Is there a connection between Lerner and the White House?  (Sincere question, I'm not up on this situation because I feel that the tax-free status of those so-called apolitical groups deserved scrutiny anyway.)

That's not the issue...if it was directed by the White House...or not done on both sides its  criminal. This comes down to what can be proved. Congress is attempting to prove it and the IRS is lying, destroying evidence and withholding info. That begs the question why....if this was an honest mistake that would come out. These groups are legal on both sides if they follow rules. The IRS decided that one side was going to get increased and intrusive scrutiny while the other didn't. Or they simply put off making decisions on groups at all or delayed them. This impacted the 2012 race.
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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 12:13:24 PM »
That's not the issue...if it was directed by the White House...or not done on both sides its  criminal. This comes down to what can be proved. Congress is attempting to prove it and the IRS is lying, destroying evidence and withholding info. That begs the question why....if this was an honest mistake that would come out. These groups are legal on both sides if they follow rules. The IRS decided that one side was going to get increased and intrusive scrutiny while the other didn't. Or they simply put off making decisions on groups at all or delayed them. This impacted the 2012 race.

So, IRS bad?  Ok, they've fucked me, too, so I'll sign on to that.  (Wish I was exaggerating here, lol.)

How, though, did this impact the 2012 race?  And, most importantly, to what degree?  (Even if it's to the slightest degree, I'll agree that it's wrong but, when it comes to deciding a penalty, the degree is important, wouldn't you say?)

If it's because it curtailed political operations by groups that were claiming tax-exempt status because they weren't engaging in political activities, then why should we care much?  Is it because it's being posited as a definite fact that their democratic counterparts were able to do their thang unimpeded?

TL;DR:  Why should I give a shit and how much of a shit is it really appropriate to give?

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 01:45:28 PM »
The IRS is an equal opportunity offender. Try and tell them you scanned your receipts and the hard drive crashed...."fuck you pay me".  House burnt down with the paperwork..."fuck you, pay me".  I didn't get a receipt "fuck you, pay me".  Hey we need those two years of emails that may show a conspiracy against Tea Party affiliated groups....crickets.
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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 07:09:26 PM »
According to Obama ... Not a smidgeon

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 09:10:27 PM »
Yup...nothing to see here.  ::)

Here's -- we know six things, Chris. We know first the targeting occurred.
Therefore, second, we know that this is worse than article two of the Nixon impeachment count, which said Nixon endeavored to use the IRS. The IRS back then resisted.

Third, we know that this became public in an act of deceit when Lois Lerner planted a question with a friend in an audience to try and get this out on her own terms.

Fourth, we know that she has taken the Fifth Amendment because she has a right to do this when she has a reasonable suspicion that there might be criminal activity involved.

Fifth, we know that from the timeline you put up today, that there has been 13 months of stonewalling on this.

And sixth, now we know that not only her hard drive, but six other people intimately involved in this suddenly crashed in an amazing miraculous coincidence. Religions have been founded on less, ten days after the investigation started.



He is spot on. 

I'm not sure which scandal is bigger (Benghazi, NSA, etc.), but this one has the potential to blow the lid off this corrupt administration.  I'm blown away by the destroyed emails and servers.  Stinks to high heaven.

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 02:52:55 AM »
Emails: IRS Official [Lerner] Sought Audit of GOP Senator [Grassley]
ABC News ^ | June 25, 2014 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted on June 25, 2014 at 5:07:57 PM EDT by cdga5for4

Edited on June 25, 2014 at 5:12:29 PM EDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Congressional investigators have uncovered emails showing that a former Internal Revenue Service official at the heart of the tea party investigation sought an audit of a Republican senator in December 2012.


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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM »
And how many Republican donors, outspoken Obama critics, prominent GOP figures, etc are saying that they've been audited suddenly for the first time ever, been attacked in other ways by the IRS and other govt agencies all the sudden? Lots.
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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 05:20:56 PM »
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IRS Commissioner John Koskinen / AP
     
BY: Mary Lou Byrd
June 26, 2014 4:30 pm

The IRS under the Obama Administration has spent over $4 billion on contracts labeled under information technology and software despite IRS Commissioner John Koskinen testifying this week that budgetary restraints prevented the agency from spending $10 million to save and store emails.

Koskinen said “declining budget resources” at the IRS caused the agency decided to reject spending the $10 million needed to ensure emails were properly secured.

A review of IRS spending by the Free Beacon shows the agency has spent a massive amount on what it labeled as IT/software and data processing contracts in the past five fiscal years. The official government’s spending website shows the IRS spent $4.4 billion during this time period.

A total of 12,543 contracts were awarded under this product code.

Records show the IRS under President George Bush spent a total of $5.3 billion in eight years for the same contractive services. If the IRS spending trends continue as they have thus far, the IRS under Obama is on track to far exceed what was spent during the Bush presidency.

Koskinen also said “continuing financial constraints have meant that this fiscal year, the IRS is spending minimal amounts supporting its $1 billion IT infrastructure.” Records show the agency has already spent $642 million on IT contracts this fiscal year.

The IRS commissioner said Lois Lerner’s emails could not be retrieved due to a hard drive crash. However, records show his agency has spent tens of millions of dollars in contracts with at least two companies for information retrieval systems and a forensics program touted as securing and maintaining the integrity of data.

The IRS contracted with Unisys Corporation for $11.8 million, which included $4 million for “critical operation and maintenance of the files informational retrieval system” and $4.9 million for what the contract describes as “critical-exercise files information retrieval system (Exfirs) Operations and Maintenance.”

The agency also awarded a total contract worth $5.9 million to Immixtechnology Inc. in 2010 for what was described as an “encase enterprise forensics suite.”

The company website says the “EnCase® platform provides the foundation for government, corporate and law enforcement organizations to conduct thorough and effective computer investigations of any kind, such as intellectual property theft, incident response, compliance auditing and responding to eDiscovery requests—all while maintaining the forensic integrity of the data.”

The Free Beacon found other government agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, have hired Immixtechnology for its expertise.

Records show several IT contracts awarded run in the tens of millions of dollars. They include a $47 million contract for an IBM ESSO order that was signed in December 2013 and a $44 million contract for what was described as “critical functions/IBM software subscription.” Another contract for $27.6 million was awarded for IT/telecom, and still another contract awarded for IT for $58.5 million.

The IRS also contracted with Chicago-based Softchoice Corporation for ADP software; that  contract amounted to $108 million. Records show the contract was signed in March of 2010 and completed in December 2012—the time frame during which Lerner’s emails were lost.

Softchoice is a leader in electronic storage. This year the company was named as “Top US Storage Growth Partner of the Year.”

The IRS explains on its website requirements for taxpayers to maintain records, including electronic records—which includes “databases, saved files, email, instant messages, faxes, and voice messages.”

“It’s important to note that the same timeframes that apply for keeping paper records apply to electronic records. Generally, that’s until the statute of limitations for the tax return the records relate to has expired. It’s normally three years from the due date of the return, or the date the return was filed—whichever is later,” the IRS states.

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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 01:01:39 PM »
IRS Spent $4.4 Billion on IT: But IRS Commissioner says Agency lacked funds to save emails
Washington Free Beacon ^  | 06/27/2014 | Mary Lou Byrd

Posted on ‎6‎/‎27‎/‎2014‎ ‎3‎:‎12‎:‎03‎ ‎PM by SeekAndFind

The IRS under the Obama Administration has spent over $4 billion on contracts labeled under information technology and software despite IRS Commissioner John Koskinen testifying this week that budgetary restraints prevented the agency from spending $10 million to save and store emails.

Koskinen said “declining budget resources” at the IRS caused the agency decided to reject spending the $10 million needed to ensure emails were properly secured.

A review of IRS spending by the Free Beacon shows the agency has spent a massive amount on what it labeled as IT/software and data processing contracts in the past five fiscal years. The official government’s spending website shows the IRS spent $4.4 billion during this time period.

A total of 12,543 contracts were awarded under this product code.

Records show the IRS under President George Bush spent a total of $5.3 billion in eight years for the same contractive services. If the IRS spending trends continue as they have thus far, the IRS under Obama is on track to far exceed what was spent during the Bush presidency.

Koskinen also said “continuing financial constraints have meant that this fiscal year, the IRS is spending minimal amounts supporting its $1 billion IT infrastructure.” Records show the agency has already spent $642 million on IT contracts this fiscal year.


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Re: George Will on the IRS scandal - broken down for u Libs
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 01:30:34 PM »
There's no way it takes $10 million to ensure e-mails are not lost.

It can't be that much.