Why won't she look at her choice?

[RagingBull]

There you go then...

The welfare system encourages multiple kids.  Eliminate the "freebies for kids" programs and there won't be "welfare government aid bottom feeders" as you call them.  So in short, the welfare system and abortion stance of liberals clash and the welfare system negates abortion.

Agendafag seems like the sort of guy to be anti abortion until he knocks up some one lazy eyed whore while drunk and she starts calling him to start taking care of his illegitimate bastard.

It's hilarious that all these anti abortion nitwits are still protesting. 20-30% of the population of the world should've been aborted.Turn on the TV. Especially the welfare government aid bottom feeders. In Chicago it should be more.

[Straw Man]

bottom line is that men should be able to tell a woman to have an abortion if they do not want to raise the baby.  if the woman still wants the baby the man should be able to sign away all liability towards it.  I would say its only fair that the man pay 100% for the abortion procedure.  if he argues with that, well he should have thought of that before he went ahead and fucked a girl without a condom without wanting to have a baby.

why not?  If liberals have taught me anything about this issue they've taught me this:

FACT: abortion is not murder.  its not a life.

FACT: abortion is safe.

FACT: abortion reduces crime.

FACT: there exists an unreal amount of negative statistics on kids with single parents and fatherless children.

FACT: women don't suffer negative psychological effects from having abortions.

these are all facts that are drilled into everyone's heads by the liberal posters every day on this issue.  

so what's wrong with a man telling a woman to go have a medical procedure?  yes its her body.  she doesn't HAVE to get an abortion.  but if she wants to keep the baby she has to pay for it herself.

someone come up with a counter argument to this that makes sense knowing what we know.

wrong

women can't tell men what to do with their bodies and men can't tell woman what to do with their bodies

that's the way it works in the United States

[Bevo]

I would like to hear Anabolichalo's opinion on this topic.

Ronnie Coleman doesn't believe in pro choice

[Primemuscle]

wrong

women can't tell men what to do with their bodies and men can't tell woman what to do with their bodies

that's the way it works in the United States

Did I miss something, what are women telling men to do with their bodies? My wife has never....

[D.O.A.]

Did I miss something, what are women telling men to do with their bodies? My wife has never....

Wife? I thought you were gay. You said it yourself

[The Ugly]

bottom line is that men should be able to tell a woman to have an abortion if they do not want to raise the baby.  if the woman still wants the baby the man should be able to sign away all liability towards it.  I would say its only fair that the man pay 100% for the abortion procedure.  if he argues with that, well he should have thought of that before he went ahead and fucked a girl without a condom without wanting to have a baby.

You're being a little inconsistent here, guy. Should have say in abortion, but should pay everything. And then the whole condom thing. Kinda undermines whether he has say or not.

[Straw Man]

Did I miss something, what are women telling men to do with their bodies? My wife has never....

you didn't miss anything

just pointing out that it goes both ways

men don't get any say in what women do with their bodies and vice versa

this of course is obvious but apparently needed pointing out for the men on this board who think they should have some say over whether a woman should be able to get an abortion or not

[Primemuscle]

Wife? I thought you were gay. You said it yourself

Pay attention. I said I was bisexual. I am married and have been committed to my wife for almost 50 years. Don't believe what others fabricate about me.

[theredeemer]

There you go then...

The welfare system encourages multiple kids.  Eliminate the "freebies for kids" programs and there won't be "welfare government aid bottom feeders" as you call them.  So in short, the welfare system and abortion stance of liberals clash and the welfare system negates abortion.

Such a good post it needs to be repeated.

[Tapeworm]

the woman has no right to make any claim or control over the mans body and vice versa

Correct.  Now we apply the same reasoning to wallets and we're in total agreement.

[theredeemer]

These are the risks of putting your seed in a sluts womb.

[Primemuscle]

There you go then...

The welfare system encourages multiple kids.  Eliminate the "freebies for kids" programs and there won't be "welfare government aid bottom feeders" as you call them.  So in short, the welfare system and abortion stance of liberals clash and the welfare system negates abortion.

You have a point. Perhaps after a few thousand children die from starvation, some of these idiots who get pregnant will think twice about it.....or not.

[bears]

wrong

women can't tell men what to do with their bodies and men can't tell woman what to do with their bodies

that's the way it works in the United States

he's not MAKING her do anything.  he can't FORCE her to have an abortion.  but she can't FORCE him to pay for a child he doesn't want either.  what's wrong with that?  if he is willing to pay for the abortion what is her argument?  in my scenario no one is FORCING anyone to do anything.

[Kwon_2]

Look at her Choice!!!

Gimme 10 Names!!!

Give AncientMuscle a Tbombzian Deep-Tissue Massage of Peace!!!

[bears]

You're being a little inconsistent here, guy. Should have say in abortion, but should pay everything. And then the whole condom thing. Kinda undermines whether he has say or not.

so the non usage of a condom is 100% his fault?  not hers?  you've been conditioned to believe that pregnancy is something a man does TO a woman.  like she has no choice in the matter. 

and i'm not inconsistent at all.  in my scenario no one FORCES either party to do anything.  in your scenario, a woman is forcing a man to pay for a child he does not want.  

my scenario is fair.  yours is not.

[bears]

you didn't miss anything

just pointing out that it goes both ways

men don't get any say in what women do with their bodies and vice versa

this of course is obvious but apparently needed pointing out for the men on this board who think they should have some say over whether a woman should be able to get an abortion or not

except no one is saying that.  YOU'RE saying that.  i'm not telling women what to do with their bodies.  i'm not in favor of a man forcing a woman to have an abortion.  where did I say that?

[Straw Man]

Correct.  Now we apply the same reasoning to wallets and we're in total agreement.

sure thing

how about this.  If a woman get's pregnant and has a kid then both she and the father are financially responsible for the child

Since neither you, I or anyone other than those two are the parents they are the only ones who are responsible for financially supporting that child

agreed?

[RagingBull]

Goes against the system we have in place which becomes the child's father and uses taxpayer money to feed him/her from birth to incarceration.  I guess you're not a true liberal:)

sure thing

how about this.  If a woman get's pregnant and has a kid then both she and the father are financially responsible for the child

Since neither you, I or anyone other than those two are the parents they are the only ones who are responsible for financially supporting that child

agreed?

[bears]

sure thing

how about this.  If a woman get's pregnant and has a kid then both she and the father are financially responsible for the child

Since neither you, I or anyone other than those two are the parents they are the only ones who are responsible for financially supporting that child

agreed?

well no.  when they go on welfare WE ALL pay for the child.  that's one of the big liberal selling points FOR abortion.  and i'm agreeing with their logic.  

if women knew that they won't have anyone who is forced to pay for the child, maybe they would have more abortions, which doesn't hurt anyone, reduces crime, reduces the risk of a child growing up in poverty, etc.

what's wrong with this logic?  again no one is FORCING anyone to do anything.

[bears]

bottom line is that my scenario is FAIR....to both parties. 

[The Ugly]

so the non usage of a condom is 100% his fault?  not hers?  

I would say its only fair that the man pay 100% for the abortion procedure.  if he argues with that, well he should have thought of that before he went ahead and fucked a girl without a condom

Your words, not mine.

[bears]

Your words, not mine.

yes.  they're BOTH responsible.  but I still think its fair that the man pays.  she has to go through the harmless procedure, he doesn't. 

[Straw Man]

he's not MAKING her do anything.  he can't FORCE her to have an abortion.  but she can't FORCE him to pay for a child he doesn't want either.  what's wrong with that?  if he is willing to pay for the abortion what is her argument?  in my scenario no one is FORCING anyone to do anything.

they are both equally responsible for taking care of that kid

that's what it means to be an adult and the state shouldn't have to force a human being to support their own child (whether they wanted it or not is irrelevant)

everyone understands the potential consequences of having sex so if you can't deal with the outcome then don't have sex

the rest of US should not be forced to pay for your actions

[bears]

what the liberal posters do not like about my scenario is that its FAIR.  they've been conditioned to believe that everything surrounding abortion should hinge on the opinion that the man is the bad guy and woman is the helpless victim.  so all the laws put in place that are blatantly unfair to men are blindly defended without thinking through what's fair to both parties.  i'll repeat.

NEITHER PARTY SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO ANYTHING AGAINST THEIR WILL BEFORE A CHILD IS BORN.  decisions should be made by both parties without either party being forced to do anything they don't want to do.

the only problem anyone could have with my scenario is if they believe abortion is wrong and/or dangerous.  and we've all been beaten over the head for years by liberals telling us that abortion is neither wrong nor dangerous.

[bears]

they are both equally responsible for taking care of that kid

that's what it means to be an adult and the state shouldn't have to force a human being to support their own child (whether they wanted it or not is irrelevant)

everyone understands the potential consequences of having sex so if you can't deal with the outcome then don't have sex

the rest of US should not be forced to pay for your actions

wow you sound like Ronald fucking Reagan.