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Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« on: July 07, 2014, 06:49:08 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/opinion/boehner-obama-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Boehner: Why we must now sue the President

(CNN) -- Every member of Congress swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. So did President Barack Obama.
But too often over the past five years, the President has circumvented the American people and their elected representatives through executive action, changing and creating his own laws, and excusing himself from enforcing statutes he is sworn to uphold -- at times even boasting about his willingness to do it, as if daring the American people to stop him.
That's why, later this month, we will bring legislation to the House floor that would authorize the House of Representatives to file suit in an effort to compel President Obama to follow his oath of office and faithfully execute the laws of our country.
The President's response: "So sue me."
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What's disappointing is the President's flippant dismissal of the Constitution we are both sworn to defend. It is utterly beneath the dignity of the office. I know the President is frustrated. I'm frustrated. The American people are frustrated, too.
Obama: Boehner's lawsuit is 'a stunt'
After years of slow economic growth and high unemployment under President Obama, they are still asking, 'where are the jobs?' The House has passed more than 40 jobs bills that would help. But Washington Democrats, led by the President, just ignore them.
Even worse, the President's habit of ignoring the law as written hurts our economy and jobs even more. Washington taxes and regulations always make it harder for private sector employers to meet payrolls, invest in new initiatives and create jobs -- but how can those employers plan, invest and grow when the laws are changing on the President's whim at any moment?
 John Boehner: I'm suing President Obama
I don't take the House legal action against the President lightly. We've passed legislation to address this problem (twice), but Senate Democrats, characteristically, have ignored it.
In the end, the Constitution makes it clear that the President's job is to faithfully execute the laws. And, in my view, the President has not faithfully executed the laws when it comes to a range of issues, including his health care law, energy regulations, foreign policy and education.
Boehner plans lawsuit against Obama over executive orders
There must be accountability. We have a system of government outlined in our Constitution with the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. Congress has its job to do, and so does the President. When there are conflicts like this -- between the legislative branch and the executive branch -- it is my view that it is our responsibility to stand up for this institution in which we serve, and for the Constitution.

If you look back over American history, there has always been a tension between the inherent powers of the executive branch versus the inherent powers of the legislative branch. This issue is as old as Marbury vs. Madison and as fresh as the unanimous Supreme Court ruling last week that the President overstepped his authority on recess appointments.
Over the last five years, starting -- not coincidentally -- when his political party lost the majority in the House of Representatives, the President has consistently overstepped his authority under the Constitution, and in so doing eroded the power of the legislative branch.
The legislative branch has an obligation to defend the rights and responsibilities of the American people, and America's constitutional balance of powers -- before it is too late.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 07:26:51 AM »
LOL @ suing the President.

Repubs in the 1990s had balls.  Dudes like newt were banging their secretaries raw under the desk, while impeaching Clinton for lying about a consensual BJ hahahahaha.  They had BALLS back then.  Repubs today are whining about the rights of terr'ists, crying about how obama is making the USA look like bullies, and scared to even say the "impeachment" word.  Now they're gonna get lawyers and sue obama?  hahaha oh brother, grow a pair already.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 07:37:53 AM »
This is pure nonsense.   They should be moving to try Obama for high treason and to banish him from the country and from ever stepping foot in USA mainland again.  He is a communist, a criminal, a ally to terrorists, a thief, a drug addicted pos, a looter, a creep, and just a shitty person. 

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 08:11:42 AM »
Bush issued 291 executive orders.  Obama is at 182.

Boehner Will Sue Obama For Stuff He Thought Was Totally Fine Under George W. Bush

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) confirmed Wednesday that he will file a federal lawsuit challenging the executive actions of President Barack Obama, despite supporting President George W. Bush’s extensive use of executive authority.
Boehner said at a news conference, “You know the constitution makes it clear that the president’s job is to faithfully execute the laws and in my view the President has not faithfully executed the laws.” He added that the suit was “about defending the institution in which we serve” because “what we’ve seen clearly over the past 5 years is an effort to erode the power of the legislative branch.” He refused to say which specific actions he believes to be illegal.

President Obama has issued about 180 executive orders — a power that has been utilized by every president since George Washington except for the brief-tenured William Henry Harrison — and taken other executive actions. A Boehner spokesman denounced these as “a clear record of ignoring the American people’s elected representatives and exceeding his constitutional authority, which has dangerous implications for both our system of government and our economy.”

But Boehner embraced the power of a Republican president to take action, even at times when he would circumvent Congress by doing so. President George W. Bush’s issued hundreds of orders of his own over his eight years in office. In 2001 and 2007, Boehner strongly supported unilateral actions by Bush to prevent embryonic stem-cell research involving new embryos, saying the 2001 decision “preserves the sanctity of life and allows limited research that could help millions of Americans suffering from life-threatening diseases.” He endorsed a 2008 Bush executive order to limit earmarks. In the final days of Bush’s second term, he even wrote to the president asking him to use an executive order to exempt a historic steamboat from safety regulations after Congress opted not to do so.


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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 08:24:02 AM »
Its not the number. 

Bush issued 291 executive orders.  Obama is at 182.

Boehner Will Sue Obama For Stuff He Thought Was Totally Fine Under George W. Bush

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) confirmed Wednesday that he will file a federal lawsuit challenging the executive actions of President Barack Obama, despite supporting President George W. Bush’s extensive use of executive authority.
Boehner said at a news conference, “You know the constitution makes it clear that the president’s job is to faithfully execute the laws and in my view the President has not faithfully executed the laws.” He added that the suit was “about defending the institution in which we serve” because “what we’ve seen clearly over the past 5 years is an effort to erode the power of the legislative branch.” He refused to say which specific actions he believes to be illegal.

President Obama has issued about 180 executive orders — a power that has been utilized by every president since George Washington except for the brief-tenured William Henry Harrison — and taken other executive actions. A Boehner spokesman denounced these as “a clear record of ignoring the American people’s elected representatives and exceeding his constitutional authority, which has dangerous implications for both our system of government and our economy.”

But Boehner embraced the power of a Republican president to take action, even at times when he would circumvent Congress by doing so. President George W. Bush’s issued hundreds of orders of his own over his eight years in office. In 2001 and 2007, Boehner strongly supported unilateral actions by Bush to prevent embryonic stem-cell research involving new embryos, saying the 2001 decision “preserves the sanctity of life and allows limited research that could help millions of Americans suffering from life-threatening diseases.” He endorsed a 2008 Bush executive order to limit earmarks. In the final days of Bush’s second term, he even wrote to the president asking him to use an executive order to exempt a historic steamboat from safety regulations after Congress opted not to do so.



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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 08:27:58 AM »
fagbama is 0-9 at the SC remember?

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 11:43:08 AM »
Its not the number. 



Fuck off dude, you are such a fucking hypocrite. Embassies attacked under bush %1100 percent more then Obama, number of vacations, far far far less, the number of execeutive orders, far less then bush. You act like he is doing unprecendented things, meanwhile in the real world.... it's always worse with Obama, you are a racist that's all it is. Everything he does is worse to you regardless of relativity.


Also, congress has set some really interesting records during his presidency, particularly the GOP controlled house. Record levels of inaction, record levels of fillibuster.

He said sue me because he is doing nothing out of the ordinary, particularly when the house is anything but.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 12:07:55 PM »

Fuck off dude, you are such a fucking hypocrite. Embassies attacked under bush %1100 percent more then Obama, number of vacations, far far far less, the number of execeutive orders, far less then bush. You act like he is doing unprecendented things, meanwhile in the real world.... it's always worse with Obama, you are a racist that's all it is. Everything he does is worse to you regardless of relativity.


Also, congress has set some really interesting records during his presidency, particularly the GOP controlled house. Record levels of inaction, record levels of fillibuster.

He said sue me because he is doing nothing out of the ordinary, particularly when the house is anything but.

He said sue me cause he needs a distraction from his disastrous record of failures

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 02:26:56 PM »
He said sue me cause he needs a distraction from his disastrous record of failures

lololol

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 12:56:58 PM »
Bush issued 291 executive orders.  Obama is at 182.

Boehner Will Sue Obama For Stuff He Thought Was Totally Fine Under George W. Bush

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) confirmed Wednesday that he will file a federal lawsuit challenging the executive actions of President Barack Obama, despite supporting President George W. Bush’s extensive use of executive authority.
Boehner said at a news conference, “You know the constitution makes it clear that the president’s job is to faithfully execute the laws and in my view the President has not faithfully executed the laws.” He added that the suit was “about defending the institution in which we serve” because “what we’ve seen clearly over the past 5 years is an effort to erode the power of the legislative branch.” He refused to say which specific actions he believes to be illegal.

President Obama has issued about 180 executive orders — a power that has been utilized by every president since George Washington except for the brief-tenured William Henry Harrison — and taken other executive actions. A Boehner spokesman denounced these as “a clear record of ignoring the American people’s elected representatives and exceeding his constitutional authority, which has dangerous implications for both our system of government and our economy.”

But Boehner embraced the power of a Republican president to take action, even at times when he would circumvent Congress by doing so. President George W. Bush’s issued hundreds of orders of his own over his eight years in office. In 2001 and 2007, Boehner strongly supported unilateral actions by Bush to prevent embryonic stem-cell research involving new embryos, saying the 2001 decision “preserves the sanctity of life and allows limited research that could help millions of Americans suffering from life-threatening diseases.” He endorsed a 2008 Bush executive order to limit earmarks. In the final days of Bush’s second term, he even wrote to the president asking him to use an executive order to exempt a historic steamboat from safety regulations after Congress opted not to do so.



As usual, no link.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2014, 12:59:13 PM »
Like Soul said, it's not the number.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2014, 02:31:30 PM »
As usual, no link.

dude, google a line of the text.  I mean seriously, do you challenge a single fact of that article?

If so, what?  Most people agree the problem isn't the NUMBER of exec orders, but the TYPE of orders - is that correct? 

Bush gave us more than obama has, by a margin of 110... obama will likely not catch him.  So since we can ALL agree we don't hate obama due to the NUMBER of orders... why are we all so upset?

Is is the TYPE of orders?

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2014, 02:42:12 PM »
dude, google a line of the text.  I mean seriously, do you challenge a single fact of that article?

If so, what?  Most people agree the problem isn't the NUMBER of exec orders, but the TYPE of orders - is that correct? 

Bush gave us more than obama has, by a margin of 110... obama will likely not catch him.  So since we can ALL agree we don't hate obama due to the NUMBER of orders... why are we all so upset?

Is is the TYPE of orders?

0-9 in the SC and even his own justices are ruling against him. 

That tells you nothing at all? 

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2014, 02:43:37 PM »
0-9 in the SC and even his own justices are ruling against him. 

That tells you nothing at all? 

hey, he was 1-0 when it came to John Roberts giving the dems what they wanted.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2014, 02:46:11 PM »
hey, he was 1-0 when it came to John Roberts giving the dems what they wanted.

Now 1-1 with hobby and lobby and there is another case coming down also going to help wreck kenyacare

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2014, 03:34:09 PM »
Now 1-1 with hobby and lobby and there is another case coming down also going to help wreck kenyacare

lol @ wrecking kenyacare.  

dude, FOX news loves obamacare now.  they interviewed hilary for 30 minutes and it didnt come up once.  Repubs don't scream about it anymore.  they're too busy trying to get their name on DREAM and amnesty :(

it's a horrible spot our govt is in.  Can't tell the good guys from the bad guys anymore :(

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2014, 06:34:58 PM »

Fuck off dude, you are such a fucking hypocrite. Embassies attacked under bush %1100 percent more then Obama, number of vacations, far far far less, the number of execeutive orders, far less then bush. You act like he is doing unprecendented things, meanwhile in the real world.... it's always worse with Obama, you are a racist that's all it is. Everything he does is worse to you regardless of relativity.


Also, congress has set some really interesting records during his presidency, particularly the GOP controlled house. Record levels of inaction, record levels of fillibuster.

He said sue me because he is doing nothing out of the ordinary, particularly when the house is anything but.

Moral equivalency?  Not a very strong argument.  I haven't paid attention to Boehner's claims, but we really cannot justify anything President Obama is doing wrong by pointing to the past bad deeds or poor performance of prior presidents. 

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2014, 07:00:59 PM »
... but we really cannot justify anything President Obama is doing wrong by pointing to the past bad deeds or poor performance of prior presidents. 

To play devil's advocate here, doesn't the legal system heavily use the concept of "precedence" when trying to determine what's acceptable? 

Why would we assume it would be any different for a president to be guided by precedent if his predecessor wasn't penalized for his precedent-setting "bad deeds and poor performance"?

(It occurs to me that some might think it's because we completely follow the example of our legal system...by penalizing the black guy more, lol.)



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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2014, 07:07:38 PM »
To play devil's advocate here, doesn't the legal system heavily use the concept of "precedence" when trying to determine what's acceptable? 

Why would we assume it would be any different for a president to be guided by precedent if his predecessor wasn't penalized for his precedent-setting "bad deeds and poor performance"?

(It occurs to me that some might think it's because we completely follow the example of our legal system...by penalizing the black guy more, lol.)


Pretty poor logic.  This isn't just "a president."  It is the man who campaigned on a promise to be different.  He was guided by a number of false promises. 

And no, moral equivalency is not a strong argument. 

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2014, 07:32:44 PM »
Pretty poor logic.  This isn't just "a president."  It is the man who campaigned on a promise to be different.  He was guided by a number of false promises. 

And no, moral equivalency is not a strong argument. 

What!?!?  Since when in the history of this great nation has any politician been penalized/sued/impeached (i.e., more than just not being reelected) for not fulfilling campaign promises?

I'm sure Obama's attitude regarding unfulfilled campaign promises is something like what Bruce Campbell is saying here:


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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2014, 07:35:53 PM »
Pretty poor logic.  This isn't just "a president."  It is the man who campaigned on a promise to be different.  He was guided by a number of false promises.  

And no, moral equivalency is not a strong argument.  

sure, "IRL", that makes him a hypocrite.  But the legal system should look at the facts, the law, and reach a determination.  Any instance of "we should indict obama because, well, we expected more of him" is weak soup.

indict and impeach if he broke the law, awesome.  

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2014, 07:41:49 PM »
What!?!?  Since when in the history of this great nation has any politician been penalized/sued/impeached (i.e., more than just not being reelected) for not fulfilling campaign promises?

I'm sure Obama's attitude regarding unfulfilled campaign promises is something like what Bruce Campbell is saying here:


Sadly, I'm probably right...

I did not say any politician should be "penalized/sued/impeached" for breaking campaign promises.  I made the point that you cannot justify current bad acts by pointing the bad acts of prior presidents. 

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 07:43:45 PM »
sure, "IRL", that makes him a hypocrite.  But the legal system should look at the facts, the law, and reach a determination.  Any instance of "we should indict obama because, well, we expected more of him" is weak soup.

indict and impeach if he broke the law, awesome.  

Who said that?  That's retarded. 

And he's not going to be impeached. 


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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 08:04:22 PM »
I did not say any politician should be "penalized/sued/impeached" for breaking campaign promises.  I made the point that you cannot justify current bad acts by pointing the bad acts of prior presidents. 

Sure, OK.

It's just that I was under the impression that Necrosis made his comment about Bush having done the same (and worse) than what Obama has done in an effort to argue why impeaching or bringing suit against Obama was not appropriate. 

Therefore, when you responded by making the point that (I'm paraphrasing, lol) "2 wrongs don't make a right" it seemed reasonable to infer that you thought it was OK impeach, sue or otherwise penalize Obama regardless of whether Bush got in trouble or not. 

Another factor that might cause one to think this inference was reasonable is the title of the topic.

Basically, in the context of this thread "justify" seems to mean "avoid legal penalty" so actually a president probably CAN justify many sorts of bad acts as long as a prior president committed the same sort of bad acts without penalty.

But I do get that you're not using "justify" in that way.

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Re: Boehner: Why we must now sue the President
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 08:23:04 PM »
Who said that? That's retarded. 

And he's not going to be impeached. 

Yikes.  Can't say things like that, I'm afraid. 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Palin_goes_after_Emanuel_on_retarded_slur.html