I recall seeing him hounding Manion several years before he turned pro at some show in Pittsburgh. He was deep offseason shape and looked to be about 425 pounds of blubber. Then, years later, I sat behind him at another show, somewhere (can't remember), and remember him talking horrifically to his then-girlfriend (the androgen-y blonde chick). His treatment of the poor woman was disgusting. Now, perhaps she was a pain in the arse, but if so, a real man would just ditch her ass and not resort to inflicting such abuse.