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Exactly! :(

It feels strange having known someone who died on this plane. Makes me think about how none of us knows when our time will be up or when it will be the last time you see someone...Ironically he was a pilot by Profession, was just on his way back from a work in the Netherlands to meet his wife. I can't fathom how his wife, two sons and family must be feeling right now :'(
 
Meanwhile the Airline and Politicians scramble to cover their own arses  ::)

RIP


Man, that's freaking sad  :-\

RIP


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Smoking gun? Intercepted calls point finger at Russian separatists in jet downing
Published July 18, 2014

Intercepted phone calls purportedly between Russian military intelligence officers and members of a pro-Russian separatist group that appear to capture the moment the rebels realized the plane they shot down was a civilian passenger plane could be the smoking gun that helps prove Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was downed Ukraine by the insurgents.

The tapes were released by SBU, Ukraine's security agency, and transcript was published in the Kiev Post. It appears to capture the chaotic moments after the plane was shot down — and the realization that it was a passenger plane rather than a Ukrainian transport plane, which had been targeted in recent days by the Russia-backed separatists.

"We have just shot down a plane," says a man the SBU identified as Igor Bezler, a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

That call came just 20 minutes after the crash and was placed to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin, according to Ukraine security officials.

But in a second tape released by the agency, two men identified as "The Greek" and "Major" discuss the debris field and the fact the the plane was a civilian aircraft.

"We have just shot down a plane."
- Igor Bezler, Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic
“It’s 100 percent a passenger [civilian] aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”

The Boeing 777 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down by what U.S. intelligence sources confirm was a surface-to-air missile near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 30 miles inside the the border with Russia.

The second conversation, if verified as authentic, could dispel Russian separatist claims that it was the Ukrainian military that shot the plane down. According to the transpcript:

Major: "These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino."

Grek: "Yes, Major."

Major: "The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first '200' [code word for dead person]. We have found the first '200.' A Civilian."

Greek: "Well, what do you have there?"

Major: "In short, it was 100 percent a passenger [civilian] aircraft."

Greek: "Are many people there?"

Major: "Holy [expletive]! The debris fell right into the yards [of homes]."

In a third intercepted conversation released by the SBU — which the agency says took place about 40 minutes after insurgents seemed to realize they had shot down a civilian plane — Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin tells an unidentified separatist that the fact the Malaysia Airlines plane was flying over the combat zone likely meant it was carrying spies.

"That means they were carrying spies," Kozitsin allegedly says. "They shouldn’t be [expletive] flying. There is a war going on."

On Friday, emergency workers combed the sunflower fields and villages of eastern Ukraine, searching the wreckage of the jetliner. The attack on Thursday afternoon killed 298 people from nearly a dozen nations, including vacationers, students and a large contingent of scientists heading to an AIDS conference.

U.S. intelligence authorities said a surface-to-air missile brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, but could not say who fired it. The Ukraine government in Kiev, the separatist pro-Russia rebels they are fighting in the east and the Russia government that Ukraine accuses of supporting the rebels all deny shooting the passenger plane down. Moscow also denies backing the rebels.

By midday, at least 181 bodies had been located, emergency workers said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin blamed Ukraine for the downing, saying it was responsible for the unrest in its Russian-speaking eastern regions — but did not accuse Ukraine of shooting the plane down and did not address the key question of whether Russia gave the rebels such a powerful missile.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk described the downing as an "international crime" whose perpetrators would have to be punished in an international tribunal.

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Above are "tweets by a Spanish Air traffic controller at Kiev Airport."
 
The Spanish air controller suggests that the order to down MH17 came from the Ukranian Ministry of the Interior.
 

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talk about dying for nothing.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/health/leading-aids-researcher-killed-in-malaysia-airlines-crash.html?_r=0


Leading AIDS Researcher Killed in Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash








Dr. Joep Lange, a leading AIDS researcher, is presumed dead in the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was apparently shot down over Ukraine, according to a statement issued on Friday by the University of Amsterdam, where he was a professor of medicine.

He was among “a number” of AIDS researchers, health officials and activists thought to have been aboard the flight, the International AIDS Society said Friday. They were en route to the International AIDS Conference, scheduled to begin Sunday in Melbourne, Australia. He was accompanied by his longtime companion, Jacqueline van Tongeren.

The World Health Organization also confirmed on Friday that Glenn Thomas, a communications officer, was aboard the plane and is presumed dead.
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    Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany called on Russia “to find ways to reach a permanent cease-fire.”
    World Leaders Match Anger With Calls for Inquiry Into Ukraine Plane CrashJULY 18, 2014
    U.S. Officials Say They Suspect SA-11 or SA-20 Missiles Brought Down Malaysia JetJULY 17, 2014

Dr. Lange, a former president of the society and the executive scientific director of the Amsterdam Institute for Global Health and Development, was a pioneer from the early years of the AIDS crisis and had played a key role in making H.I.V. treatments available to people in the developing world. He began researching the epidemic in 1983.

Even before the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria as well as the Presidents Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief were created, Dr. Lange was a prominent advocate for affordable drugs for AIDS patients in poor countries.

According to his biography on the institute’s website, he had been “the architect and principal investigator of several pivotal trials on antiretroviral therapy and on the prevention of mother-to-child transmission of H.I.V. in both the developed and developing world.”

He also worked for W.H.O., heading up clinical research and drug development in the mid-1990s.

He was eulogized Thursday night at a dinner for AIDS researchers in Melbourne who had arrived early for preconference meetings of the International AIDS Society.

Dr. David Margolis, an AIDS researcher at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill who attended the dinner, said speakers recalled that Dr. Lange said, “If we can get a cold can of Coke to any part of Africa, we can certainly deliver AIDS treatment.”

Dr. Lange and Dr. David Cooper, an Australian AIDS researcher, along with Thai doctors, founded a research program in Thailand known as H.I.V.-NAT, with the last three letters standing for Netherlands, Australia, Thailand.

“It was one of the first models of international collaboration on clinical research in a developing country,” said Dr. H. Clifford Lane, the deputy director for clinical research at the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

It served as a model for many later collaborations with African medical schools, he said.

“Joep was a very engaging person,” Dr. Lane added. “He spoke his mind, but never with anger. He was one of those people you’d seek out for a good discussion.”

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Well, i guess it means homos will keep dying for a while then.

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Above are "tweets by a Spanish Air traffic controller at Kiev Airport."
 
The Spanish air controller suggests that the order to down MH17 came from the Ukranian Ministry of the Interior.
 

yes, this was mentioned and shown in the infowars video, dont dismiss it off hand

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What i cant figure out is why lots of the bodies in the wreckage have no shirts on or no clothes on. They didnt burn up because the these bodies dont appear to be burned at all

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What i cant figure out is why lots of the bodies in the wreckage have no shirts on or no clothes on. They didnt burn up because the these bodies dont appear to be burned at all
Maybe they all had a gangbang when they realised the plane was going down.   ::)

Peoples clothes almost always get ripped of during impact, just look at some high impact road collisions.

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Putin supports terrorism. You can never trust Russians, ever. Putin once worked as a spy in Germany. Traditionally in a war, it is custom to hang spies. Interestingly, one of Putin's two sons in law is a Dutchman....

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Putin supports terrorism. You can never trust Russians, ever. Putin once worked as a spy in Germany. Traditionally in a war, it is custom to hang spies. Interestingly, one of Putin's two sons in law is a Dutchman....

Of course Russia supplied the anti air missles and training to the Russian separatist.. This is nothing new the US has been doing it for 60 years!

Cuba, iseral, Iran, Iraq, afghan, several counties in Africa and South America. It's a great way to fight your enemy with out having to put your own country's backing behind it.

But don't give them a Russian only made weapon that is extremely complicated to operate, then when they fuck up say it wasn't us. I have no idea how they got the Russian made SA site

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The field of HIV/AIDS research has suffered a savage blow as reports suggest that as many as 108 leading researchers and advocates within the field were on board the Malaysia Airlines flight that that crashed yesterday. While the loss of any individual in such an instance is an extreme tragedy, the situation is particularly saddening given the loss of knowledge and expertise that was dedicated to tackling this dire global health problem.

The Boeing 777 airliner, which took off from Schiphol airport in Amsterdam, was on its way to Kuala Lumpur when it crashed on the Ukraine-Russia border, carrying 298 passengers. According to US and Australian governments, the cause of the crash was a surface-to-air missile. There were no survivors.

On board flight MH17 were a number of delegates headed to Melbourne for the AIDS 2014 conference which is due to start on Sunday. Over 100 attendees were scheduled to take this flight, but official confirmation of those on board has not yet been released. However, it is known that former International AIDS Society president and leading AIDS researcher Joep Lange was amongst those on the plane. Lange’s partner and ArtAIDS board member, Jacqueline van Tongeren, was also on board.

“Joep had an absolute commitment to HIV treatment and care in Asia and Africa,” director of Kirby Institute David A Cooper said in a University of New South Wales press-release. Lange has been working on HIV treatments since 1983 and has made ground-breaking contributions to the development of affordable HIV treatments, in particular combination therapies.

According to International AIDS Society president Francoise Barré-Sinoussi, the conference is scheduled to go ahead despite the tragedy, as “we know it’s really what they would have liked us to do.”


 
Read more at http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/over-100-hiv-experts-and-advocates-may-have-been-board-crashed-malaysian-plane#oR7Y8bco5QJ7yhlI.99


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Obama did it.  He wanted to get the immigrant crisis off the front page.

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Of course Russia supplied the anti air missles and training to the Russian separatist.. This is nothing new the US has been doing it for 60 years!

Cuba, iseral, Iran, Iraq, afghan, several counties in Africa and South America. It's a great way to fight your enemy with out having to put your own country's backing behind it.

But don't give them a Russian only made weapon that is extremely complicated to operate, then when they fuck up say it wasn't us. I have no idea how they got the Russian made SA site

Come on, you can't be that stupid.
Ukraine has all the same weapon as Russia, because it was part of Soviet Union. When Soviet Union collapsed we got Russia and Former_Soviet_Republics, including Ukraine. All these countries have russian weapon in inventory and still have close trading relations and various economic alliances with Russia. Saying that pro-russian ukranians (rebels) have russian weapon makes Captain Obvious proud - all Ukraine military equipment is Soviet-made.
Didn't you learned that at school? Russia is still biggest country in the world, you must know at least a little bit of its history.

As for the current situation, rebels seem to have captured one of Buk missle systems (Buk M-1 or something, it's not even official information, someone posted pic in Twitter or in blog), which is capable of attacking plane at that height (it still hasn't been confirmed by anyone that it was Buk and not aircraft or bomb on board). But Ukraine officially has few dozens of Buks in the military. I'm sure Russia, USA, some EU countries even know where exactley these systems were deployed (or not) and who they are belong to. But one thing is intelligence information and the other is mass media and official position on situation. Need i say that there are questions on which we will never know the truth?

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Come on, you can't be that stupid.
Ukraine has all the same weapon as Russia, because it was part of Soviet Union. When Soviet Union collapsed we got Russia and Former_Soviet_Republics, including Ukraine. All these countries have russian weapon in inventory and still have close trading relations and various economic alliances with Russia. Saying that pro-russian ukranians (rebels) have russian weapon makes Captain Obvious proud - all Ukraine military equipment is Soviet-made.
Didn't you learned that at school? Russia is still biggest country in the world, you must know at least a little bit of its history.

As for the current situation, rebels seem to have captured one of Buk missle systems (Buk M-1 or something, it's not even official information, someone posted pic in Twitter or in blog), which is capable of attacking plane at that height (it still hasn't been confirmed by anyone that it was Buk and not aircraft or bomb on board). But Ukraine officially has few dozens of Buks in the military. I'm sure Russia, USA, some EU countries even know where exactley these systems were deployed (or not) and who they are belong to. But one thing is intelligence information and the other is mass media and official position on situation. Need i say that there are questions on which we will never know the truth?

Thats the cool thing about being a missle expert in the navy and getting to read the intel reports.... one perk of the job. Im not saying that Ukranians dont have russian systems... all the ex ussr counties do. What I am say is that, in fact the seperatest dont have the training to use a system like that, Only way they would was if they received training. Its clearly russia backing a rebel force in a country they at some point want to absorb. Toss it in to caos then sya you have to take the country over for security reasons

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only africans and homos have aids.

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Thats the cool thing about being a missle expert in the navy and getting to read the intel reports.... one perk of the job. Im not saying that Ukranians dont have russian systems... all the ex ussr counties do. What I am say is that, in fact the seperatest dont have the training to use a system like that, Only way they would was if they received training. Its clearly russia backing a rebel force in a country they at some point want to absorb. Toss it in to caos then sya you have to take the country over for security reasons

I think Russia supports separatists, but not in form of weapon deliveries, more like intel reports. There is no fancy tactical weapons in play from the separatists side, only fire arms and some anti air weapons, which could be counted on fingers.
There is still no evidence that it were separatists and not ukranian military. I lean towards opinion that it was ukranian forces attack, as a cover up action to toughen sanctions on Russia. Can't think of reason why separatist could need that. And I don't belive it was a someones mistake - civil plane is big fast moving target on specific height, it can't be confused with anything else, also considering limitations on range of anti air weapon you have literally a minute to fire a missile, so it must be coordinated carefully.

Actually i find that incident quite interesting, there is third side - Malaysian airline company, which can be driven towards bancrupcy by second big incident in a row. Air traffic makes a lot of money. It sounds even more reasonable than separatists attack.

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What i cant figure out is why lots of the bodies in the wreckage have no shirts on or no clothes on. They didnt burn up because the these bodies dont appear to be burned at all

Not sure if serious?????   If you get thrown from a car crash often times your clothes get blown off. I guessing this impact AND FALLING FROM 35,000 FEET might do the same.
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Not sure if serious?????   If you get thrown from a car crash often times your clothes get blown off. I guessing this impact AND FALLING FROM 35,000 FEET might do the same.


A blast from a tyre

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A blast from a tyre

So, the guys hand got blown off?

Someone is trying to foment tension between Russian, Ukraine and the US.  This will help take attention away from the real cause of the coming social/economic upheaval.

The saddest thing about all this is that 6 months from now this event won't even be a blip on anyone's consciousness.


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So, the guys hand got blown off?

Someone is trying to foment tension between Russian, Ukraine and the US.  This will help take attention away from the real cause of the coming social/economic upheaval.

The saddest thing about all this is that 6 months days from now this event won't even be a blip on anyone's consciousness.



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So, the guys hand got blown off?

Someone is trying to foment tension between Russian, Ukraine and the US.  This will help take attention away from the real cause of the coming social/economic upheaval.

The saddest thing about all this is that 6 months from now this event won't even be a blip on anyone's consciousness.


why is it "sad" ? what are we suposed to do? Most people are actually entertained by such news. That's life, we enjoy seeing others die except if they are people we love need, as simple as that.

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Is this extremely convenient for NATO? Blame the Russians and invade Ukraine?

It does have the smell of false flag.