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Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« on: July 17, 2014, 08:54:47 AM »
http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board

A Malaysian passenger plane with 295 people on board has been shot down as it flew above eastern Ukraine, according to aviation sources.

The plane, which is believed to have been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) when it was shot down, Russia's Interfax reported.

The aircraft, reportedly a Boeing 777, was brought down by a Buk ground-to-air missile, an adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry quoted by the news agency said.


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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 08:56:03 AM »

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 08:58:27 AM »
Malaysian flight from Amsterdam shot down by the Ukraine.

What's the connection with the USA? 

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 09:00:22 AM »
Doesn't say who shot it down
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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 09:07:55 AM »
Doesn't say who shot it down

Dario says it was Obama.  lol

Joking aside, you're right;  It's premature to say it was the Ukrainians.

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 09:09:55 AM »
Dario says it was Obama.  lol

Joking aside, you're right;  It's premature to say it was the Ukrainians.

I'm curious, there is no benefit to either side.
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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 09:16:13 AM »
I'm curious, there is no benefit to either side.

Probably a tragic mistake. 

I hope it's not a big news story.  I don't need my wife hearing about this since we'll be taking a long international flight in November...

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 10:08:41 AM »
Probably a tragic mistake. 

I hope it's not a big news story.  I don't need my wife hearing about this since we'll be taking a long international flight in November...


Looks like it was the separatist (Russian allies) who fucked up, thinking it was a military aircraft. This is not going to end well for them
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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 10:30:04 AM »
Shitbama issued a warning to Russia last night remember?

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2014, 10:48:46 AM »
Probably a tragic mistake. 

I hope it's not a big news story.  I don't need my wife hearing about this since we'll be taking a long international flight in November...


Im thinking this...

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2014, 11:06:56 AM »
If this is the same system I read an article about it last week....I guess its their latest upgraded mobile anti aircraft system. The things is older then the Patriot but its got some new shit that's supposed to be pretty good...for Russian junk.
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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2014, 07:15:16 PM »
to Obama and his dick in the hand spokesman ... The world is NOT tranquil. Things are falling apart and falling fast.  Stop your fund raising ... Quit bitching, get off your ass and do something.

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2014, 08:17:56 PM »
'It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy': Obama goes AWOL again with just 40-second mention..
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | July 17, 2014 | DAVID MARTOSKO
Posted on July 17, 2014 10:37:33 PM EDT by Steelfish

'It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy': Obama goes AWOL again with just 40-second mention of Malaysian plane crash feared to have killed Americans before his jokey 16-minute transport speech

Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 passengers on board President Obama said his national security team is working on identifying the U.S. citizens – and then launched into jokes and 16 minutes of prepared remarks Twitter erupted with digital eye-rolls at Obama's curt mention of the 'tragedy' that the Ukrainian government quickly called a 'criminal case' House Speaker John Boehner offered a solemn statement, saying 'many innocents were killed today. It is horrifying.' By DAVID MARTOSKO

17 July 2014

President Barack Obama provoked fury in the U.S. on Thursday by casually devoting less than a minute to the deaths of 295 people aboard a Malaysian airliner, as he began an often jokey 16-minute speech about the need to expand America’s transportation infrastructure.

There are no confirmed American dead, an earlier Reuters report claimed that it was feared that as many as 23 U.S. citizens had perished. Obama declared in Wilmington, Delaware that 'it looks like it may be a terrible tragedy,' but not before enthusiastically declaring that 'it is wonderful to be back in Delaware.'

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2014, 08:19:09 PM »
On Thursday morning, President Obama is off to a party fundraiser in New York. Next week, he’s flying to the west coast for another fundraiser with the Hollywood glitterati. When Obama was in Denver last week, he attended no less than four cash-gathering events in the space of 24 hours.

In his first term, Obama attended more fundraising events than any other president in recent history. According to author Brendan J. Doherty, from 2008 to 2012 Obama went to 321 events, compared to just 80 for Ronald Reagan. And, as the chart below shows, he’s done 72 events in his second term – 34 this year alone. So far, he’s ahead of the pace of George W. Bush, who had been to 30 events at this point in 2006. In his two presidential terms combined, Bush hosted 318 fundraisers. Obama has already smashed that number with 393 events to date.

(Clintoon is still the fundraiser king.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/16/president-obama-has-held-393-fundraisers-in-his-six-years-in-office/


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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 03:10:37 AM »
No other president has ever acted so shitty at slumbama has

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2014, 03:13:46 AM »
The Bear Is Loose [Obama fundraises while Putin runs amok]
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 7/18/2014 | Matthew Continetti
Posted on July 18, 2014 5:49:47 AM EDT by markomalley

“The bear is loose!” President Obama has been saying, whenever he leaves the White House to visit Starbucks, or sandwich shops, or burger joints, or BBQ shacks, or neighborhood diners, in his increasingly rote and pathetic attempts to “connect” with “real people.” Obama, we have been told, is frustrated, “restless,” bored with the responsibilities and chores of office. He thinks of himself as the bear—intimidating, wild, untamed, roving—escaping his den. But he is flattering himself. Obama is not the bear. He is the cub: aimless, naïve, self-interested, self-indulgent, irresponsible, irresolute. The bear is in Moscow.

One can trace a line from any global hotspot to Russia and its authoritarian ruler. Iran? Russia has assisted its nuclear program for decades. Syria? Russia is Bashar Assad’s arms dealer. Iraq? Russia is sending men and materiel to the central government. Afghanistan? Putin muscled nearby Kyrgyzstan into closing our air base there, crucial for transport, resupply, and reconnaissance in the war against the Taliban. The contretemps between the United States and Germany is the result of Edward Snowden’s breach of national security. Where is Snowden? In Russia, where he has just asked to have his visa renewed. I wonder if Vladimir Putin will say yes.

Then there is Ukraine, where Putin has been driving events since March, when he illegally annexed Crimea. The West thought sanctions would intimidate Putin, would force him into retreat. For a time, he drew down his troops on the Ukrainian border, leaving the fighting in eastern Ukraine to separatists trained, armed, and led by Russian special forces. The West thought it could ignore the situation. A guerrilla war in the east, it was assumed, does not threaten democracy in Kiev. The Ukrainian economy returned to its lethargic equilibrium. The Ukrainians elected a president. President Obama, in his speech at West Point, trumpeted his Ukraine policy as an example of “our ability to shape world opinion” and “isolate Russia.”

Some isolation. Even as Western attention turned to the Middle East, Russia continued to act unimpeded, and the Ukrainian war went on. Recently, when Poroshenko, the new Ukrainian president, retook the city of Sloviansk, Putin’s hand was forced. Russian soldiers reappeared along the border—more than 10,000 at last count. The weapons systems supplied by Russia to the insurgents became more sophisticated. Earlier this week, a rocket brought down a Ukrainian cargo plane. The rocket was fired from Russia. Thursday brought us only the latest unintended consequence of Russia’s war on Ukrainian independence: the destruction of a Malaysian airlines flight carrying 295 souls. The attack is revolting, the loss of life infuriating, but the downing of Flight MH17 is not the first unanticipated outcome of the war Vladimir Putin began in Ukraine. Nor will it be the last.

“I think it was a brilliant stroke,” Hillary Clinton says of the “reset” policy the United States pursued toward Russia when she was secretary of State. She has an odd understanding of brilliance. The “reset” gave us a world where Georgia remains illegally occupied, where Poland and the Czech Republic lack missile defenses, where American parents cannot adopt Russian babies, where Russian bombers fly within 50 miles of the Pacific coast, where Ukraine is sundered, where the prospects for ground war in Eastern Europe are high, where Putin says U.S. sanctions against his cronies will take bilateral relations to a “dead end.”

When I hear comments such as Clinton’s, when I listen to White House press secretary Josh Earnest say, in all seriousness, that his administration has “substantially improved the tranquility of the global community,” I feel as though they are lost in the postmodern funhouse of the Kremlin’s “non-linear war,” as though they, too, are casualties of Russian Maskirovka, of deception, concealment, propaganda, and disinformation.

“Non-linear war is the means through which a geopolitical raider can leverage his relative weakness,” writes Peter Pomerantsev. “And this vision appeals to a very broad constituency across the world, to those full of resentment for the West and infused by the sense that the ‘global village’ model is a priori rigged.” Russian manipulation of narrative and image, of wishful thinking and gullibility, has been such a success that the Obama administration actually believes it has accomplished something. It hasn’t. On the contrary: President Obama has relinquished American standing, neglected America’s responsibilities as the guarantor of international security.

The heralds of the “post-American world” devote most of their songs to the wonders of the BRIC economies, the rise of a globally conscious, technologically savvy youth culture, the justice of a humbled America, the importance of institutions and conferences and stakeholders in resolving global conflict through diplomatic means. What they never get around to singing about, in any particular detail, is the day-to-day reality of the post-American world: the headlines one encounters when Vladimir Putin is unrestrained; the numbers of dead and wounded in civil wars fueled by Russian weapons and Russian assistance; the lies and conspiracies and anti-Americanism fueled by Russian information operations; and the unexpected events, the contingencies, the collateral damage of insurgency and strife. No secret why they leave all this out: such dissonant lyrics do not jibe with a placid, comforting melody of exhaustion, war weariness, senescence.

Well, there is no getting around it now. “Obama contends with arc of instability unseen since ’70s,” says the Wall Street Journal. Militias and rogue generals in Libya, Hamas versus Israel, Hezbollah and Assad and Iran against Sunni rebels and the Caliphate, the prospect of an Iranian bomb, war in Ukraine, withdrawal from Afghanistan, China bullying its neighbors—such is the extent of global disorder today.

“It’s 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep,” Hillary Clinton’s campaign imagined in 2008. “But there’s a phone in the White House and it’s ringing.” Things are “happening” in a “dangerous” world. “Who do you want answering the phone?”

Today we know the answer: The phone isn’t ringing in the White House. It’s ringing in the Kremlin. And the man answering it is Vladimir Putin.

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2014, 05:32:51 AM »
Chris Matthews: Reagan Knew The Way Americans Felt After Soviets Downed A Plane in 1983








       
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CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me finish tonight with a flashback. From the moment I heard about today's shooting down of a Malaysian airliner over Ukraine, I remember that 1983 shooting down of a Korean airliner over Soviet airspace (Korean Air Lines Flight 007). Back then, the Soviets, still in a Cold War mindset refused to even admit responsibility for the deliberate murder of 269 passengers including, U.S. Congressman Lawrence McDonald of Georgia who was aboard. Here's how President Reagan reacted:

REAGAN: What can we think of a regime that so broadly trumpets its vision of peace and global disarmament and yet so callously and quickly commits a terrorist act to sacrifice the lives of innocent human beings? What can be said about Soviet credibility when they is a flagrantly lie about such a heinous act?

 MATTHEWS: I can tell you, he was speaking for the American people back then who were absolutely furious at what the Soviets had done. Their cold-blooded killing of so many innocent people, their brutal destruction of so many human lives, their utter lack of compassion for the people aboard that plane. Here's the way our president and we, the American people, felt:

REAGAN: We know it will be hard to make a nation that rules its own people through force to cease using force against the rest of the world, but we must try. This is not a role we sought. We preach no manifest destiny. But like Americans who began this country and brought forth this last best hope of mankind, history has asked much of the Americans of our own time, much we have already given, much more we must be prepared to give.

 MATTHEWS: There are events like this today that no one forgets, especially not today.


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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2014, 06:56:32 AM »

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Re: Obama's horrible foreign policy causes tragedy
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2014, 07:30:12 AM »
Stupid logic=OB caused the 298 peeps to die