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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2014, 06:02:27 PM »
No it was on right flight path, but advice ICAO gave was poor given situation there and what they knew of mercenary's capabilities.

My initial theory that it was Russian separatists has been all but confirmed.

Why would the Russians or rebels commit suicide by doing something like this, surely they're smarter than this? The only person this benefits, is Ukraine/Western Powers who desperately want regime change, and funded/pushed the original uprising against the legitimately elected government.

This link http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace isn't legit?


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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out
« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2014, 07:55:22 PM »
It is a giant fuck up for Russia.  They may well back away now. 

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2014, 08:08:52 PM »
Why would the Russians or rebels commit suicide by doing something like this, surely they're smarter than this? The only person this benefits, is Ukraine/Western Powers who desperately want regime change, and funded/pushed the original uprising against the legitimately elected government.


- Because Russian still live in the past, Putin is just junior Stalin.
- They still talk about Euro fascism taking over Ukraine.  ::)
- No they a 'not smarter than this' .........
- In May Ukrainians elected new president, & is not 'regime'.
- Last week EC signed free trade agreement with Ukraine,Georgia & Moldova.Putin is gone mental about this.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2014, 08:16:47 PM »
- They still talk about Euro fascism taking over Ukraine.  ::)

This isn't what the fascist EU is trying to accomplish? ???

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2014, 09:26:02 PM »
- Because Russian still live in the past, Putin is just junior Stalin.
- They still talk about Euro fascism taking over Ukraine.  ::)
- No they a 'not smarter than this' .........
- In May Ukrainians elected new president, & is not 'regime'.
- Last week EC signed free trade agreement with Ukraine,Georgia & Moldova.Putin is gone mental about this.


Corrupt Ukrainian oligarch puppet "elected"  ::), who is running fascist Nazi elements in the country.  No, not a "regime" at all.  That's only a term used to describe Governments that don't do the bidding of the U.S.  If it was a matter of an election, why did the West overthrow the previously elected leader of Ukraine?  Why did they not just wait and allow Ukraine to vote him out?  Putin is a master chess player, not some cartoon villain as the Western media would like the imbecilic public to believe.  Funny how the Ketchup King rejects Assad's reelection, but expects us to believe that their puppet was put in at the choice of the Ukrainian majority.  

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2014, 10:24:21 PM »
looks like an accident.

however, the missile (according to cnn right now) required a 4 man team to operate, and it wasn't some silly shoulder fire thing.  it was a highly sophisticated weapons system requiring a lot of training for a newbie (unlikely) or just being run by a russian military missile team (way more likely)

Sounds like they were helping out... they sent their team in... they shot down what they thought was a combat plane... then they high tailed it back to russia, and of course, the whole world is seeing it now.  Russia trying to diffuse the situation with "let's all come to the table" and saying we shoulnd't call it terr'ism.  I betcha, if Ukraine had shot it down, Russia sure wouldn't be denying it was terrorism lol.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2014, 10:50:53 PM »
An accident?  An accident? 

Last week a couple friends came over- we started drinking Jack and smoking crack. Some hookers came over and brought along some heroin. We took out my 1911 Combat Commander and started shooting apples off my apple tree. A nosey neighbor heard the gun shots and called the fuzz. A pigcopter flew by overhead. I thought it was an apple from my apple tree and shot it down.  I explained to the judge that it was an accident.  The judge understood.
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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2014, 11:49:07 PM »
Corrupt Ukrainian oligarch puppet "elected"  ::), who is running fascist Nazi elements in the country.  No, not a "regime" at all.  That's only a term used to describe Governments that don't do the bidding of the U.S.  If it was a matter of an election, why did the West overthrow the previously elected leader of Ukraine?  Why did they not just wait and allow Ukraine to vote him out?  Putin is a master chess player, not some cartoon villain as the Western media would like the imbecilic public to believe.  Funny how the Ketchup King rejects Assad's reelection, but expects us to believe that their puppet was put in at the choice of the Ukrainian majority.  

Only the mega idiot like Yanukovich would pay $ 120000 for a stupid bird  Emu  ;D & Putin don't need him anymore.
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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2014, 12:02:53 AM »
Why would the Russians or rebels commit suicide by doing something like this, surely they're smarter than this? The only person this benefits, is Ukraine/Western Powers who desperately want regime change, and funded/pushed the original uprising against the legitimately elected government.

This link http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace isn't legit?


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why the fuck are we even calling them "rebels" they are people that don't want anything to do with the current regime that took control of the country by force ousting a democratically elected government.... yet we keep hearing they are "rebels" and "separatists"

ffs imagine if there was some attempt to physically overthrow the elected US or UK government , the perps would be evil anti democracy terrorists, but in ukraine those responsible are "revolutionists" and anyone opposing them are rebels. what a crock of shit.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2014, 05:20:46 AM »
looks like an accident.

however, the missile (according to cnn right now) required a 4 man team to operate, and it wasn't some silly shoulder fire thing.  it was a highly sophisticated weapons system requiring a lot of training for a newbie (unlikely) or just being run by a russian military missile team (way more likely)

Sounds like they were helping out... they sent their team in... they shot down what they thought was a combat plane... then they high tailed it back to russia, and of course, the whole world is seeing it now.  Russia trying to diffuse the situation with "let's all come to the table" and saying we shoulnd't call it terr'ism.  I betcha, if Ukraine had shot it down, Russia sure wouldn't be denying it was terrorism lol.

Why was the course of the jet diverted, with the altitude lowered from 35,000 ft?  Did Russian's on the ground do that to?

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2014, 05:26:02 AM »
- Because Russian still live in the past, Putin is just junior Stalin.
- They still talk about Euro fascism taking over Ukraine.  ::)
- No they a 'not smarter than this' .........
- In May Ukrainians elected new president, & is not 'regime'.
- Last week EC signed free trade agreement with Ukraine,Georgia & Moldova.Putin is gone mental about this.


This.

I said it from day one what happened and have been vindicated, I thought Obama was going to keep up the tragic accident bs but now he is revealing that US has evidence that it was Russians/Russian lovers firing from Eastern Ukraine. Pity they couldn't use same satellites or source of evidence (there were phone calls and messages intercepted I guess) to find the missing MA flight.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2014, 06:47:18 AM »

why the fuck are we even calling them "rebels" they are people that don't want anything to do with the current regime that took control of the country by force ousting a democratically elected government.... yet we keep hearing they are "rebels" and "separatists"

ffs imagine if there was some attempt to physically overthrow the elected US or UK government , the perps would be evil anti democracy terrorists, but in ukraine those responsible are "revolutionists" and anyone opposing them are rebels. what a crock of shit.


You're absulutly right, it's a sickening and effective attempt by the MSM to manipulate public opinion. The separatists are the usurpers in Kiev.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2014, 06:49:56 AM »

why the fuck are we even calling them "rebels" they are people that don't want anything to do with the current regime that took control of the country by force ousting a democratically elected government.... yet we keep hearing they are "rebels" and "separatists"

ffs imagine if there was some attempt to physically overthrow the elected US or UK government , the perps would be evil anti democracy terrorists, but in ukraine those responsible are "revolutionists" and anyone opposing them are rebels. what a crock of shit.


really great point there.

imagine if MEX was smuggling missiles into the USA and using it to shoot down american flights over texas lol.  People would be hanging these "rebels" in the streets lol.

yet somehow, now they're "freedom fighters" and "rebels".


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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2014, 06:50:11 AM »
The Eurasian Chessboard: Brzezinski Mapped Out “The Battle for Ukraine” in 1997

By Chris Ernesto
Global Research, March 16, 2014


It’s all about maintaining the US position as the world’s sole superpower

Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

    “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”

Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”

“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”

Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991, and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.

It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.

By prominently highlighting the mistreatment of activist group Pussy Riot, incessantly condemning Russia’s regressive position on gay rights, and excessively focusing on substandard accommodations at the Sochi Olympic Games, the Obama administration has cleverly distracted the public from delving into US support of the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi factions of the Ukrainian opposition, and has made it palatable for Americans to accept the US narrative on Ukraine.


Interestingly enough, it was Brzezinski who first compared Putin to Hitler in a March 3 Washington Post Editorial. Hillary Clinton followed-up the next day with her comments comparing the two, followed by John McCain and Marco Rubio who on March 5 agreed with Clinton’s comments comparing Putin and Hitler. Apparently Brzezinski still continues to influence US political speak.

In his book, Brzezinski contends that “America stands supreme in the four decisive domains of global power: militarily… economically… technologically… and culturally.”

While this may have been accurate in 1997, it can be argued that today, other than militarily, the US no longer reigns supreme in these domains.

So late last year when Ukraine’s now-ousted president Viktor Yanukovych surprisingly canceled plans for Ukrainian integration into the European Union in favor of stronger ties with Russia, the US may have viewed Ukraine as slipping even further out of its reach.

At that point, with the pieces already in place, the US moved to support the ousting of Yanukovych, as evidenced by the leaked phone conversation between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. When peaceful protests were not effective in unseating Yanukovych, the violence of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party and Right Sector was embraced, if not supported by the west.

In today’s Ukraine, the US runs the risk of being affiliated with anti-Semitic neo-Nazis, a prospect it probably feels can be controlled via a friendly western media. But even if the risk is high, the US likely views it as necessary given the geopolitical importance of Ukraine, as Brzezinski mapped out in 1997.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/us-nato-war-agenda

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2014, 07:22:43 AM »
Getbig digging deep for conspiratorial proof or a strategically decisive response.  There's neither.  Not to be icy but this is one of those shit happens things.  It's not going to change the balance of power in the region no matter how anyone tries to play it.  It's not going to change anything.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2014, 07:30:00 AM »
oh my god, you Americans are so fucking stupid.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2014, 07:36:57 AM »
oh my god, you Americans are so fucking stupid.

Please elaborate

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2014, 02:50:41 PM »
oh my god, you Americans are so fucking stupid.

That's not how you spell "AWESOME"! It's A-W-E-S-O-M-E.

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2014, 03:23:53 PM »
oh my god, you Americans are so fucking stupid.

Hey, it wasn't American's that shot down a commercial flight loaded with innocent civilians

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2014, 03:29:47 PM »
Hey, it wasn't American's that shot down a commercial flight loaded with innocent civilians
No but they blew up the twin towers with controlled explosions.







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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2014, 03:54:35 PM »
Where are you now, mass243, Putin-lover ?    >:(

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2014, 03:59:09 PM »
Hey, it wasn't American's that shot down a commercial flight loaded with innocent civilians

Check your facts boy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2014, 04:01:37 PM »
Maar daar zaten niet 193 Hollanders in, Bosch...

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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2014, 04:11:17 PM »
Where are you now, mass243, Putin-lover ?    >:(

He lost his job in Vodka propaganda office,  :'(
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Re: Obama is clearly pussing out (Malaysian Airlines flight)
« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2014, 04:31:20 PM »
Check your facts boy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The event to which you are referring occurred over a quarter century ago.

This thread is about the the Malaysian flight that was shot down 2 days ago. Americans did not shoot down the Malaysian flight. So calling Americans "stupid" in this particular thread (without explanation) is ridiculous.