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Israel and Gaza - discussion
« on: July 18, 2014, 08:13:29 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation

Gaza City (CNN) -- As Israeli tanks and soldiers plunged deeper into Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Friday that the military is prepared to further expand its offensive against Hamas militants. The Israel Defense Forces sent a large force into Gaza on Thursday -- infantry, tanks, artillery, combat engineers and intelligence units backed by aerial and naval support.
Their primary target: Tunnels used by Hamas fighters and others to slip into Israel and to smuggle in weaponry and supplies.
Netanyahu did not explain what would spark a wider offensive, or what it would entail. But he said Israel had no choice but to take the fight to Gaza to protect its own people.

"We chose to commence this operation after we had exhausted the other possibilities," he said, "and with the understanding that without action, the price that we would pay would be much greater." Early Friday, artillery fire pounded Beit Hanoun in Gaza. The area was shrouded in smoke. A CNN crew near Sderot, Israel, spotted a substantial increase in armor and tanks on Friday. Roads leading into Gaza were crowded with military traffic and buses carrying soldiers.

Palestinian security sources said overnight that Israeli tanks had reached Abu Holeh, roughly in the center of Gaza, and that Israeli troops were clashing with Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters along the Kissufim road. If Israeli forces go from there to the Mediterranean Sea, they could split Gaza as they did during their 2009 ground operation in the territory. The Israeli operation set off some protests around the world, including in Turkey -- where violent demonstrations outside the Israeli Embassy prompted Israel's Foreign Ministry to send diplomats' families home and reduce staffing to a minimum.

In Jerusalem, police arrested 12 people Friday after what spokesman Micky Rosenfeld described on Twitter as "masked Arab rioters" threw stones at police officers on the Temple Mount, a disputed holy site. No injuries were reported, Rosenfeld said. Jordan called for an urgent meeting of the U.N. Security Council, expected Friday.

And Hamas condemned the incursion. "The beginning of the Israeli ground invasion of Gaza is a dangerous step with unknown consequences. Israel will pay a heavy price for it," spokesman Fawzi Barhoum told CNN. Barhoum said Hamas military forces are "far stronger" than during previous conflicts with Israel in 2009 and 2012. Militants are prepared to capture Israel soldiers and use them to trade for some of the 5,000 prisoners in Israeli jails, Barhoum said.

The IDF said early Friday that one Israeli soldier was killed overnight in northern Gaza -- the second Israeli fatality of the conflict. The IDF said its troops had killed 17 fighters and captured 13, in addition to uncovering eight of the tunnels they were targeting. The Palestinian Health Ministry said that at least 271 Gaza residents have died and more than 2,000 have been injured in the territory since Israel began its military campaign against Hamas last week. At least 24 of the deaths occurred since the ground offensive started late Thursday, the ministry said.

Most of the casualties have been civilians, according to the United Nations. The incursion Thursday followed 10 days of Israeli airstrikes. the collapse of a cease-fire brokered by Egypt but never accepted by Hamas and a five-hour respite Thursday to allow for humanitarian assistance to reach Gaza.  Tony Blair: 'Time is running out' U.N.: Palestinians aren't statistics What do Gazans want?
"Where are we supposed to go?"

Al-Aqsa TV reported Friday that Israel had sent text messages to many Palestinians telling them of safe corridors to reach central Gaza.
Before the incursion, the IDF dropped leaflets in 14 areas of Gaza, urging residents to temporarily leave their homes.
"The IDF is a moral army, and it does not aspire to harm even one single innocent person," Netanyahu said Friday. "Not a single one. We are only operating against terrorist targets." But many residents of Gaza have said they have nowhere to go in the small, impoverished strip of land. Border crossings with Israel and Egypt are closed. "Since the Israelis started this 11 days ago, they have been telling us to leave. Where our we supposed to go -- to the Gaza Sheraton? Or take a hike in the forest?" said Al Madhoun, the resident of northern Gaza.

Ramez al Madhoun, a resident of Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza, told CNN by phone that people were streaming past his house Thursday night to flee the Israeli offensive. As blasts from airstrikes and artillery barrages went off in the background, Al Madhoun said that he and his family of about 20 people were staying put. "My father is 78 years old -- where am I supposed to go?" he asked. "We are a sitting duck." Officials seek restraint and precision

Israeli officials said they were focused on destroying tunnels used by Hamas and other groups in Gaza to smuggle supplies in and out of the territory. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Netanyahu after the offensive began, expressing the view that it "should be a precise operation to target tunnels," the State Department said in a statement. Kerry "emphasized the need to avoid further escalation" and reiterated "the importance of doing everything possible to prevent civilian casualties," the statement said. Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, said the group was asking for restraint "so that civilians who have suffered enough in this appalling conflict do not suffer further." The U.N. agency said it is sheltering about 22,000 people in Gaza City and northern Gaza.

Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said Israeli bombs hit Wafa Hospital in Gaza while four patients were inside. Seventeen others had evacuated, he said. Some 300,000 of Gaza's approximately 1.8 million residents have been cut off from medical care because of Israeli military operations, Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Dr. Ashraf al-Qidra said Friday.
Neighboring nations involved in peace efforts

It's unclear what impact the incursion will have on efforts to broker a cease-fire in the conflict. Egypt, Turkey, Qatar and the Arab League have all been involved in efforts to find a solution to the fighting. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with Arab League Secretary-General Nabil Al-Arabi. An Israeli delegation also attended, leaving after several hours, the state-run al-Ahram news agency reported. Negotiators were focusing on stopping bloodshed above all else, Palestinian official Nabil Shaath said at the time. He said they would later discuss Hamas demands, including opening Gaza border crossings and freeing some Palestinian prisoners.
Hamas leaders had rejected an earlier Egyptian cease-fire proposal, saying they had not been consulted on the deal and complaining that it did not address their broader demands. Abbas was scheduled to be in Turkey on Friday for further talks.

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2014, 01:59:33 AM »
Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.

http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video
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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2014, 02:39:32 AM »
Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.

http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video

Isn't that what Hamas does?

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2014, 02:41:03 AM »
Isn't that what Hamas does?
Don't they cheer out in the streets and make videos when someone detonates a backpack in a crowded marketplace?

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2014, 03:49:36 AM »
Or being known for using kids as human shields.

Trust pussy liberals to be on the side of Hamas terrorists.
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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2014, 06:28:06 AM »
Or being known for using kids as human shields.

Trust pussy liberals to be on the side of Hamas terrorists.
Yeah,  I feel bad for the kids but its hard to really sympathize with the Palestinians. .. if they wanted peace,  they shouldnt be letting Hamas fuck with Israel from within their borders all the time. Israel doesnt fuck around... and if youre letting shitbags use your house to attack your neighbor, dont cry when your neighbor knocks the fence over with some tanks and starts fucking people up.

Seems like everytime Hamas gets Israel to respond, palestine starts crying and playing the victim, even though theyre letting Hamas freely operate within their borders with their consent. If anything, theyre lucky israel has shown the restraint they have, they could have absolutely destroyed them for letting hamas lob rockets and blow up their citizens all the time.

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2014, 06:53:39 AM »
Yeah,  I feel bad for the kids but its hard to really sympathize with the Palestinians. .. if they wanted peace,  they shouldnt be letting Hamas fuck with Israel from within their borders all the time. Israel doesnt fuck around... and if youre letting shitbags use your house to attack your neighbor, dont cry when your neighbor knocks the fence over with some tanks and starts fucking people up.

Seems like everytime Hamas gets Israel to respond, palestine starts crying and playing the victim, even though theyre letting Hamas freely operate within their borders with their consent. If anything, theyre lucky israel has shown the restraint they have, they could have absolutely destroyed them for letting hamas lob rockets and blow up their citizens all the time.

Truth.

If your kid has the neighbor's kid over playing in the front yard and the neighbor's kid kicks the hornet nest... well they are both going to get stung.  Israel is the same way.  Don't want us fucking with you?  Don't let shitheads launch rockets into our areas. 

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2014, 10:10:15 AM »
Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.

http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video


What a crackpot video by an unknown propaganda site.

How about sitting in your backyard when you see a missile coming right at you and your kids, coming to your kids school - for the last weeks weeks.  How about Israel warning over and over again stop the missles aiming at 2 million people and Hamas doesnt? 

And the worst.  How about Israel accepting a ceasefire and Hamas said no - we want you to attack us so we can get money by showing images of children getting killed and hurt.

How about the UN expressing outrage over Hamas putting 20+ missiles in their school that is supposed to take care of children.

Remember, you are dealing with Hamas, whose sole purposes is to destroy Israel.  How you forget that so easily sitting in your Canadian home where it is safe, not worried about a missile hitting you in your backyard.

Lets put a terrorist organization about a mile from you, and lets let them fire a missle to you whenever they want.  They may hit you, they may not - I guess you are ok with it.

I am not.



The goal is not to hurt children, but to stop the missles.. and yep, the tunnels that Hamas dug to infiltrate Israel instead of using the money to help their people.  Remember, they don't care about the Palestinians at all. They care about their agenda.

Once you understand that no matter what you do, peace is not their agenda.




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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2014, 10:11:29 AM »


And yes, remember that 13 Israeli soldiers died overnight trying to stop this missile attacks, while Hamas fires from schools, mosques and hospitals.  Not an easy fight

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2014, 10:31:53 AM »
Only savage, uncivilized beasts could cheer the deaths of little children, and the wholesale slaughter of their fellow man.

http://scgnews.com/cnn-confirms-israelis-cheer-as-civilians-are-murdered-in-gaza-video

God bless Israel.  May they have a resounding victory over the terrorist pigs named Hamas and the brain washed, peace hating morons known as the "Palestinians".

Israel gave up that land in hope of peace. They are worse now than when they handed it to the Palestinians. Throughout history if people can't get along and diplomacy doesn't work then the only recourse is war. Hamas wanted this war, they don't want peace, Israel doesn't have anyone on the other side that wants peace, so only recourse is to destroy those that want to destroy them.

Dead kids? If they love their children so much, they should just accept that Israel is not going anywhere and broker a true peace deal with Israel.

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2014, 11:39:01 AM »
I say get it over with, winner take all. And the US idiocy in this whole matter. Does anyone think that if La reconquista was launching missiles into Arizona, Texas, or California the US would let anyone dictate our response?
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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2014, 05:20:07 PM »


The Palestinian people are a conquered nation.  Let Israel finish them off and get the fuck over it.  It's happened time and again throughout history and it will happen time and again in the future.


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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2014, 08:13:12 PM »
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On Wednesday, UNRWA officials found some 20 missiles in a vacant school. A day later it released a statement strongly condemning “the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law,” the statement read. UNRWA immediately convened an inquiry to investigate the incident, Gunness said. “All existing evidence will be handed over by UNRWA to the investigation, which can commence as soon as hostilities in Gaza are over.” Israel has requested the UN release photos of the rockets. Officials plan to disseminate these images to bolster its assertion that Hamas is hiding missiles in schools, diplomatic sources said Friday.  But UNRWA is currently refusing to disclose any photos, arguing that “any photographic material” is evidence needed for UNRWA’s evidence. “We will keep relevant players informed about the investigation,” Gunness said.

Sad - they find the missiles at the school, yet may have given them back to Hamas.  Come on. 



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The Palestinian people are a conquered nation.  Let Israel finish them off and get the fuck over it.  It's happened time and again throughout history and it will happen time and again in the future.

No. Sadly, the Palestinian people want peace. Most of them do. But Hamas does not, and uses them and doesnt care about them.  Very sad.  No one wants missles coming to them, either way.  But Hamas needed this, because the Arab world was slowly stopping to give them money, and worse - Egypt doesnt want anything to do with them, as well as many other Arab nations.

What is not noted here is that Israel and Egypt are working together.  At the same time Israel responded to Hamas' rejection of the cease fire, Egypt closed all borders and illegal tunnel activity on their end too. 




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Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2014, 08:15:43 PM »
Idiot obama telling israel to back down.

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2014, 09:40:58 PM »
The issue isn't so black and white like people often try to propagandize it. There's not an evil or good side in this war - it's just a war of peoples like always. Try to remember that.

But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.
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Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2014, 01:56:43 AM »
24KT/JaguarEnterprises is a known anti-Semite.   

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2014, 09:03:38 AM »
But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.

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Why are they suffering at a "disproportionate rate"? Who is to blame for that? That is what they get for uniting with a terrorist organization whose principal goal is the extinction of Israel.

Very simple. A person who attacks someone else with the intent to kill is putting their own life in danger. Same thing with the "peace loving" Palestinians.

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Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 09:19:03 AM »
Idiot obama telling israel to back down.

I don't understand the international hiarchy one bit. Is this kind of thing just for show?

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Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2014, 09:25:11 AM »
I wonder if Obama would tell Mexico to stop sending criminals and bad guys over to this country through tunnels etc if that were happening here in this country? 

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2014, 09:48:34 AM »

And yes, remember that 13 Israeli soldiers died overnight trying to stop this missile attacks, while Hamas fires from schools, mosques and hospitals.  Not an easy fight

Exactly.  It is extremely difficult when one side actually follows the laws of armed conflict while the other repeatedly ignores them. 

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2014, 12:46:58 PM »
The issue isn't so black and white like people often try to propagandize it. There's not an evil or good side in this war - it's just a war of peoples like always. Try to remember that.

But i feel like if you don't have biases and aren't brainwashed by the liberal and neocon media your heart can't help but be with the Palestinians who are suffering at an extremely disproportionate rate when compared to the Israelis.


Pure truth here but brainwashed people dont actually know they are brainwashed so expect to be hated around here :)

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2014, 01:07:25 PM »
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Why are they suffering at a "disproportionate rate"? Who is to blame for that? That is what they get for uniting with a terrorist organization whose principal goal is the extinction of Israel.

Very simple. A person who attacks someone else with the intent to kill is putting their own life in danger. Same thing with the "peace loving" Palestinians.

It's only "very simple" for simpletons.

In reality it is much more complex.
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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 01:20:09 PM »
Exactly.  It is extremely difficult when one side actually follows the laws of armed conflict while the other repeatedly ignores them. 

One side has the technological and monetary means to do that but even then if you follow the UN and humanitarian orgs' reports they are highly critical of Israel's methods.
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Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2014, 01:20:25 PM »
Hamas needs to be squashed

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Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2014, 01:23:33 PM »
One side has the technological and monetary means to do that but even then if you follow the UN and humanitarian orgs' reports they are highly critical of Israel's methods.

It does not take technology or means to follow the law of armed conflict.  Even poor countries and armies can refuse to put command and control centers in residential neighborhoods, surrounded by noncombatants.  Rouge military outfits can refuse to put soldiers in hospitals and churches.  It doesn't take resources to refrain from targeting civilians with bombs.   

But those folks are terrorists.  They don't follow rules.