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What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« on: July 19, 2014, 10:53:18 PM »
What do you guys think?  Obviously approximate, everyone's different, etc. 

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2014, 12:55:24 AM »
Depends how much you used to bulk and how much you actually needed.

I was taking 400 npp (for 6 weeks or so) and 500 test. I was also taking 50-100mg of anavar for 10 weeks.

I dropped down to 500 of the test to ahem.....cruise......and lost nothing while dieting down. But the original dose was more than I needed to build muscle (I was just being over enthusiastic with my dose).

I was 245lbs and now I'm 220lbs or so (while full of food), BF still too high at 10%. I wanted 8% but I like doing powerlifting meets intermittently so it interferes with my desire to diet down.

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2014, 07:25:32 PM »
there is no magic number as it all depends on how aggressive your cut is and also how far you are above your natural limit. If you are not too advanced and haven't been on for a crazy length of time, you could come off and if you kept training, you could still look good.

if you are a low dose guy (500-1000 mg a week): if you are only doing 150-250 cals below maintenance every day you could get away with 250mg a week maybe. Read up noone's and galenikos posts.

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2014, 11:51:01 PM »
What do you guys think?  Obviously approximate, everyone's different, etc. 
your question will yield 1000 answers but you want something simple and effective, 350mg of test prop per week to retain your gains while getting shredded will suffice.

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2014, 08:56:18 AM »
your question will yield 1000 answers but you want something simple and effective, 350mg of test prop per week to retain your gains while getting shredded will suffice.

I concur.

Somewhere in the 300-500mg Test for me personally.  Anything lower than 200mg and i start to lose size.  It all depends on what you were running before obviously.  If you drop from 1500mg down to 300mg, you are going to notice a big difference.


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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 02:23:20 PM »
I concur.

Somewhere in the 300-500mg Test for me personally.  Anything lower than 200mg and i start to lose size.  It all depends on what you were running before obviously.  If you drop from 1500mg down to 300mg, you are going to notice a big difference.


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What's the best way to drop down from 1500?
from 1,500 or 150 lbs? if it's just switch to a keto diet and train using manily old school training methods everyday for a fewb  houra,

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 04:22:11 AM »
What's the best way to drop down from 1500?

Long esters I imagine

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2014, 07:30:14 AM »
Long esters I imagine

NO! YOU WANT TO USE FAST ACTING SUBSTANCES.

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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2014, 08:39:27 AM »
NO! YOU WANT TO USE FAST ACTING SUBSTANCES.
Why?

Are you saying Mast, Tren E with Winstrol would be worse than the acetate esters?

Explain how?


I believe the cutting dose to maintain depends on what was used in the bulk before, and how hard the dieting will be.

For the typical "one of the bigger guys at planet fitness" lifter, little amounts will,or, should be enough.


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Re: What minimum dose for muscle retention during cutting?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 01:12:17 AM »
NO! YOU WANT TO USE FAST ACTING SUBSTANCES.

So a fast reduction would be better than a slow one?