death must be fought at every instance and every angle

[Natural Man]

Yeah, and what if your consciousness doesn't die, just  your body.

what if life is brutally cruel  and when you die...you know your dead you just can't do anything about it...and your  stuck in a fucking box under the ground for the all  eternity screaming your fucking head off inside your dead body.


point is, what if it truly fucking sucks? everybody always goes on and on about some peaceful release....what if it's just the opposite

consciousness is a product of the brain which is a part of the body. When the body and brain disintegrate, so does your consciousness.

[Palpatine Q]

consciousness is a product of the brain which is a part of the body. When the body and brain disintegrate, so does your consciousness.

In theory.  Nobody knows what death is like.

[CalvinH]

Nobody knows what death is like.

I was married once, I have a pretty good idea of what death is like...

[Var City]

I was married once, I have a pretty good idea of what death is like...

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[Var City]

consciousness is a product of the brain which is a part of the body. When the body and brain disintegrate, so does your consciousness.

i get groink's point though.

when i was younger i would have esoteric dilemnas right along the lines of his quote above; further than "what is death" in general terms, but I would wonder about what death specifically was. like, the tangible aspects of it. can you feel? where do you go? etc'.

then i grew up and these questions dissipated from my consciousness as my body got stronger (to keep your underlining setniment uber).
 
marty, solid thread. you've been on a weak roll lately, but it looks like you're doing well today. meth dealer out of town?

in b4 manlet accusations; 6'2''.

[Teutonic Knight]

Hey Johnnie Falcon why don't U pop up to Liberia & fight Ebola 
Wiggs could join U too 

[BigRo]

consciousness is a product of the brain which is a part of the body. When the body and brain disintegrate, so does your consciousness.

and you know this how?

yogis,saints,mystics,true philosophers all know this is false, the true self is eternal,never born, deathless, perfect, you will not come to this self knowledge in this life but sometime you will and you will be free at last.

[Wolfox]

Consciousness is a product of the universe.  

The Wolfox once went on a multi-year long spiritual journey of self exploration and rumination of all things.  
It was a profound experience to say the least.  

[BigRo]

Consciousness is a product of the universe. 

The Wolfox once went a years long spiritual journey of self exploration and rumination of all things. It was a profound experience to say the least.

 

[Wolfox]

Some say we were just lost...but i believe sometimes you gotta get lost to find yourself. 

[Marty Champions]

Yeah, and what if your consciousness doesn't die, just  your body.

what if life is brutally cruel  and when you die...you know your dead you just can't do anything about it...and your  stuck in a fucking box under the ground for the all  eternity screaming your fucking head off inside your dead body.


point is, what if it truly fucking sucks? everybody always goes on and on about some peaceful release....what if it's just the opposite

thought about this too , lets entertain this thought, if this is true im guessing we just phase out and think about memories in this life for all eternity

[Radical Plato]

and you know this how?

yogis,saints,mystics,true philosophers all know this is false, the true self is eternal,never born, deathless, perfect, you will not come to this self knowledge in this life but sometime you will and you will be free at last.

Why is it no surprise you believe in nonsense and airy fairy ideas?  Yogis, saints, mystics.  WTF?  You moron

[Wolfox]

Space: The final frontier

 

[Parker]

Death cannot be "fought". It is inevitable. Unavoidable. What scares you the most JF is your own mortality. You wish to gain knowledge before you die, but you don't know when that will be, and at the same time all the aches and pains that you have, have crept into your mind.
This has possibly put fear in you...fear of dying, and fear of death.

[SF1900]

and you know this how?

yogis,saints,mystics,true philosophers all know this is false, the true self is eternal,never born, deathless, perfect, you will not come to this self knowledge in this life but sometime you will and you will be free at last.

You cannot make a general statement like that. Also, what is a "true" philosopher? Does a "true" philosopher hold a certain degree? Do "true" philosophers write X amount of books? Explain what a "true" philosopher is.

Second, there are many philosophers (I would consider them "true" philosophers"), such as Daniel Dennet, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russel, Friedrich Nietzche, and Jean Paul Sartre, who, I would surmise, do not believe there is an eternal self or consciousness after we die.  

Third, most yogis, saints, and mystics are a bunch of charlatans.

[Radical Plato]

You cannot make a general statement like that. Also, what is a "true" philosopher? Does a "true" philosopher hold a certain degree? Do "true" philosophers write X amount of books? Explain what a "true" philosopher is.

Second, there are many philosophers (I would consider them "true" philosophers"), such as Daniel Dennet, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russel, Friedrich Nietzche, and Jean Paul Sartre, who, I would surmise, do not believe there is an eternal self or consciousness after we die.  

Third, most yogis, saints, and mystics are a bunch of charlatans.

Thanks, I wanted to take the time to express a similar sentiment but knew it would be wasted on BigRo, so I just mocked him.  People tend to go with whatever romantic notion makes them feel the best about their own demise.  It appears that death is unknowable, just add it to the list of many other mysteries encountered in life.

“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

[SF1900]

Thanks, I wanted to take the time to express a similar sentiment but knew it would be wasted on BigRo, so I just mocked him.  People tend to go with whatever romantic notion makes them feel the best about their own demise.  It appears that death is unknowable, just add it to the list of many other mysteries encountered in life.

“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

Well, Ernest Becker, in his book, "The Denial of Death" believed that we denied our death by active use of defense mechanisms (job, hobbies, our personalities). From a webpage: The basic premise of The Denial of Death is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism.

I guess for a lot of people, they use religion as a romantic notion against death. They would feel much more free if they just accepted the fact that there is nothing after death.

[Radical Plato]

Well, Ernest Becker, in his book, "The Denial of Death" believed that we denied our death by active use of defense mechanisms (job, hobbies, our personalities). From a webpage: The basic premise of The Denial of Death is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism.

I guess for a lot of people, they use religion as a romantic notion against death. They would feel much more free if they just accepted the fact that there is nothing after death.

If people accepted this truth of the finality that death brings they wouldn't waste their lives on meaningless activities, they would get to doing what is truly important TO THEM.  The concept of eternity ruins life, makes it meaningless and valueless.  Who values something that never ends, that lasts forever.

[SF1900]

If people accepted this truth of the finality that death brings they wouldn't waste their lives on meaningless activities, they would get to doing what is truly important TO THEM.  The concept of eternity ruins life, makes it meaningless and valueless.  Who values something that never ends, that lasts forever.

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Which is why atheism is so freeing. Makes you appreciate this life. Most religious zealots believe that the afterlife is much better than this life.  I believe this hinders their ability to truly appreciate this life. What can be more beautiful than this life? Nothing.

[Radical Plato]

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Which is why atheism is so freeing. Makes you appreciate this life. Most religious zealots believe that the afterlife is much better than this life.  I believe this hinders their ability to truly appreciate this life. What can be more beautiful than this life? Nothing.

It just occured to me why The Establishment promotes this idea of eternal life so much, it is easier to control people and prevent them rebelling from being say wage slaves if you teach them the have an eternity to do what is important to them.  It would be harder to control people if they were aware of how limited their lives were and how precious every moment was.  People wouldn't so willing waste their lives on forced servitude and would rebel against it.

The concept of eternal life gives man hope, and I think Nietzsche was right when he said.  “Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”

[SF1900]

It just occured to me why The Establishment promotes this idea of eternal life so much, it is easier to control people and prevent them rebelling from being say wage slaves if you teach them the have an eternity to do what is important to them.  It would be harder to control people if they were aware of how limited their lives were and how precious every moment was.  People wouldn't so willing waste their lives on forced servitude and would rebel against it.

The concept of eternal life gives man hope, and I think Nietzsche was right when he said.  “Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”

The Big, Political Machine keeps trumping along, while the average citizen continues to be a "slave" to the machine.

[BigRo]

the essential knowledge is not knowledge of things born of mind but knowledge of soul by identity born of transcendental perception. True philiosophy points us towards this therefore I have every right to say it. Russell and co are stuck in intellect like most of you modern sophisticated hurs 

[SF1900]

the essential knowledge is not knowledge of things born of mind but knowledge of soul by identity born of transcendental perception. True philiosophy points us towards this therefore I have every right to say it. Russell and co are stuck in intellect like most of you modern sophisticated hurs 

No, there is no one philosophy that makes the other less "true" because it doesn't point one toward transcendental perception.

You just randomly throw a bunch of big words together to try and prove your point, but you inevitably "fall flat."

Your idea that philosophy is not "true" if its concerned with intellect is pure conjecture. Come back when you have something useful. Try making a solid ardgument, instead of saying, "I have every right to say it." No shit you do. Everyone has a right to say what they want. It doesn't make it useful or true.

[BigRo]

and on what authority do you speak? you tell me I am wrong, deny a divine basis for real knowledge yet proceed to talk as if you are in possession of proper understanding.

[Radical Plato]

the essential knowledge is not knowledge of things born of mind but knowledge of soul by identity born of transcendental perception. True philiosophy points us towards this therefore I have every right to say it. Russell and co are stuck in intellect like most of you modern sophisticated hurs 

Put the pipe down and step away from the New Age section of the bookshop Sir.