Author Topic: WTF Barrack? (Read 2840 times)

Kazan · « **on:** August 07, 2014, 06:41:03 PM »

Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless.

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2014, 07:03:20 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on August 07, 2014, 06:41:03 PM

Obama was just on TV talking about the situation in Iraq, he's fucking clueless.

He dropped food to Christians stranded in the mountains by ISIS and authorized Airstrikes against them.

Any problems with that???

Dos Equis · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2014, 07:53:15 PM »

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 07, 2014, 07:03:20 PM

He dropped food to Christians stranded in the mountains by ISIS and authorized Airstrikes against them.

Any problems with that???

Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.

blacken700 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:02:21 PM »

Lets be real lraq was a failure from the get go.should have stayed right the fuck out of there

Dos Equis · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:06:24 PM »

Iraq was poorly planned and executed, but then the surge worked. The country was stable when the president pulled all of our troops out, in direct opposition to what the military recommended, and the pullout wasted all of the gains we made.

blacken700 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:08:24 PM »

So we keep troops there forever ,great plan

Straw Man · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:09:51 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 07:53:15 PM

Other than the fact the only reason he had to do a food drop and authorize strikes is because of his massive failure in Iraq? No.

great point

he should have stopped Bush from signing the status of forces agreement (officially called : Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Way to go Obama

Dos Equis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:10:38 PM »

Quote from: blacken700 on August 07, 2014, 08:08:24 PM

So we keep troops there forever ,great plan

We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.

Straw Man · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:12:56 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 08:10:38 PM

We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.

Yeah, WTF were Bush/Cheney thinking?

Why didn't Senator Obama stop them?

Quote

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011

blacken700 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:14:14 PM »

Better plan say out and save 4000 lifes and a couple trillion dollars,bushes nation building

Dos Equis · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:15:38 PM »

Quote from: blacken700 on August 07, 2014, 08:14:14 PM

Better plan say out and save 4000 lifes and a couple trillion dollars,bushes nation building

Except that ship had sailed when Obama took office.

blacken700 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:17:15 PM »

Thats right he took over georgie boys fuck up

Dos Equis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:21:54 PM »

Quote from: blacken700 on August 07, 2014, 08:17:15 PM

Thats right he took over georgie boys fuck up

No, he took over a successful surge as president that he said (as a senator) would not only fail, but would increase violence.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:23:15 PM »

Incidentally, that is one of the reasons I voted against him in 2008. During his interview with O'Reilly he refused to admit that he was wrong about the surge. A leadership flaw (inability to admit mistakes). I'm sorry I was right about him. $:-\$

blacken700 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:24:08 PM »

Brahahaha iraq was never going to end up a success,you live in a dream world

Dos Equis · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:25:08 PM »

Quote from: blacken700 on August 07, 2014, 08:24:08 PM

Brahahaha iraq was never going to end up a success,you live in a dream world

The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose.

blacken700 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:28:30 PM »

You realize the surge was going to be temporary bushes nation building was never going to work

OzmO · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:39:00 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 08:10:38 PM

We keep some troops behind indefinitely, just like Germany and South Korea. Great plan.

Germany and SK quite a bit different. Stupid plan and silly comparison.

OzmO · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 08:25:08 PM

The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose.

Long term? NOT

Dos Equis · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2014, 09:22:23 PM »

Quote from: blacken700 on August 07, 2014, 08:28:30 PM

You realize the surge was going to be temporary bushes nation building was never going to work

The surge was only supposed to be temporary, but the point is it worked. The country was stable. We were done nation building. They had a government in place. They needed our security assistance. Packing up and going home was a terrible thing to do.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2014, 09:24:54 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 07, 2014, 08:39:00 PM

Germany and SK quite a bit different. Stupid plan and silly comparison.

Looks the same to me. And it wasn't my idea or comparison. Heard senior military folks talk about it, and they recommended it. I agree with them.

And unfortunately, they were right. One division, or even a brigade or two could have prevented what is happening now. The failure to leave troops in place, as we did in Germany and South Korea, resulted in the current situation, which as one old vet told me looks pretty similar to what happened in Vietnam.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2014, 09:26:18 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 07, 2014, 08:39:52 PM

Long term? NOT

It worked long term, because we stopped the insurgency and dramatically decreased violence, which allowed us to draw down.

Is it working today? Obviously not because our Commander in Chief is a failure.

OzmO · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2014, 10:07:58 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 09:24:54 PM

Looks the same to me. And it wasn't my idea or comparison. Heard senior military folks talk about it, and they recommended it. I agree with them.

And unfortunately, they were right. One division, or even a brigade or two could have prevented what is happening now. The failure to leave troops in place, as we did in Germany and South Korea, resulted in the current situation, which as one old vet told me looks pretty similar to what happened in Vietnam.

Lol.

OzmO · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2014, 10:09:18 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 09:26:18 PM

It worked long term, because we stopped the insurgency and dramatically decreased violence, which allowed us to draw down.

Is it working today? Obviously not because our Commander in Chief is a failure.

It didn't work long term. Iraq is destabilising.

Mawse · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 07, 2014, 08:25:08 PM

The surge worked. You can argue against history, but you're going to lose.

It "worked" largely because we gave the Sunni militias their guns back after the retards in charge disarmed the Baathists and caused the original problems in Iraq

I think this week the Sunni militias are the Bad Guys but it's getting hard to keep up.