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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 08:12:50 PM »
http://therightscoop.com/ ^ | August 11, 2014 | Joe Guest
Posted on August 11, 2014 at 10:02:27 PM EDT by Whenifhow

On Saturday, President Obama said the intelligence community underestimated the threat by ISIS which is why he did not act until now:

There is no doubt that their advance, their movement over the last several months has been more rapid than the intelligence estimates and I think the expectations of policymakers both in and outside of Iraq.

Aside from the fact that advances by ISIS has been known to anyone who’s had access to YouTube or Twitter, the Pentagon, when asked if they were caught off guard by ISIS today, tells a completely different story. They responded that the US did know about the threat posed by ISIS all along:

“We have been very clear about the threat posed by ISIS. We have been very consistent about that threat in the region and in Iraq.”

The statement from the General is more damaging when you consider that it is a direct response to a question that according to some reports the White House was caught off guard.

Truth is this will not at all damage Obama’s credibility if the GOP machine does not line up to point this General’s comment.

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 08:44:17 PM »
It has nothing to do with Obama or the US, they're not responsible for another country's security.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2014, 05:42:35 AM »
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/war-iraq-article-1.1899923

As the U.S. military beats back ISIS thugs and arms Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq, as the world sees wrenching images of Yazidi refugees carrying their children into Syria, Baghdad looks set to explode.

Iraq’s president has at long last nominated a new prime minister — but rather than pave a peaceful transition, current Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is massing troops in the Green Zone.

More than any time in the past five years, Iraq looks lost. Primary blame rests with the Iraqis, too many of whom have elevated sectarian allegiances over national unity.

But a close second in allowing the nation to drift into bloody dysfunction is the Obama administration, which refused to keep even a residual, stabilizing American troop presence — and now disingenuously disavows responsibility for this momentous decision.

On Saturday, President Obama attempted to decisively rebut the notion that he had facilitated, even championed, a total American troop withdrawal at the end of 2011: “What I just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps on coming up, as if this was my decision.”

Instead, the President insisted, it was the Iraqi government that, against his will, refused to agree to a continued American military presence there.


A displaced woman and child from the minority Yazidi sect rest as they flee to the Syrian border.
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A displaced woman and child from the minority Yazidi sect rest as they flee to the Syrian border.


This refusal to cop to cold, hard facts insults the intelligence of the people he leads.

Recall: In October 2011, as America’s engagement in Iraq wound down, Obama boasted that, “After taking office, I announced a new strategy that would end our combat mission in Iraq and remove all of our troops by the end of 2011,” praising the fact that “Iraqis have taken full responsibility for their country’s security.”

This became a regular applause line on the reelection campaign trail in 2012.

The President’s cognitive dissonance on Syria is equally unbecoming. In an interview with The New York Times published this weekend, Obama asserted that it has “always been a fantasy” that arming moderate Syrian rebels before that country spiraled out of control, accelerating ISIS’ rise across the region, could have made a difference.

Contrast this whiplash-inducing revisionism with the clear-eyed realism given voice by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


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Hillary Clinton at a book signing last month in St. Paul, Minn.


In an interview with The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, Clinton — who had argued in real time for arming moderate foes of Syrian President Bashar Assad, only to be overruled by the commander-in-chief — diagnosed the current chaos:

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad — there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle — the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled.”

She continued: “One of the reasons why I worry about what’s happening in the Middle East right now is because of the breakout capacity of jihadist groups that can affect Europe, can affect the United States. Jihadist groups are governing territory. They will never stay there, though. They are driven to expand. ”

You know your foreign policy is in trouble when your former secretary of state eviscerates it so nimbly.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/war-iraq-article-1.1899923#ixzz3ABINSfri

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2014, 08:48:19 AM »

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 08:52:42 AM »
Didn't the president claim they were only "JV"?

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 09:01:16 AM »
Didn't the president claim they were only "JV"?

Its only the libfag twinks and limp writested low t types like straw blacken lurker et al still in the dark on this

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2014, 04:22:57 AM »
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White House Can’t Explain Iraq Objectives to Congress
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 8/12/2014 | Adam Kredo
Posted on August 12, 2014 6:33:31 AM EDT by markomalley

Just two weeks after the Obama administration asked Congress to repeal the Iraq war authorization, the White House is failing to adequately explain to lawmakers the legal justification and concrete objectives for its airstrikes against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), according to congressional insiders apprised of off-the-record briefings on the matter.

Questions are now being raised on Capitol Hill about how the White House intends to legally justify its military campaign, particularly in light of its efforts to repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq (AUMF).

Obama administration officials waited to brief senators late last week after isolated airstrikes had been launched on multiple ISIL targets, according to Senate sources who provided the Free Beacon with a readout of the call, which was described as “pointless.”

The administration’s decision to bypass Congress before taking military action is reminiscent of its behavior in Libya, where air strikes also were authorized without congressional approval.

“They didn’t provide any firm answers or decisions,” said one senior Senate source apprised of the briefing. “The administration is saying that they’re going to authorize air strikes if ISIS gets close to U.S. personal or stationed personal, which in [our] mind, if there is a threat in the region you get your people out unless they’re military.”

This rationale from the White House is leading some to speculate that U.S. personnel in the region are being left in harms way “as collateral” because the Obama administration “can’t get his party and donor base to support further action in Iraq,” according to the source.

“That’s where a lot of the confusion is coming from” on Capitol Hill, the source added. “When there’s an imminent threat you get your civilian employees out of the region.”

The decision to take action against ISIL was made just weeks after White House national security adviser Susan Rice petitioned Congress to repeal the Iraq AUMF, a move that one Congressional insider described as “tone deaf” and “bad optics on the administration’s part.”

“We believe a more appropriate and timely action for Congress to take is the repeal of the outdated 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq,” Rice wrote in the letter, which received fierce criticism from the chair of the House Armed Services Committee (HASC).

Late Friday evening, Obama sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner informing him of the airstrikes and claiming legal authority based “my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive,” according to a copy of the letter published by the White House.

“These military operations will be limited in their scope and duration as necessary to protect American personnel in Iraq by stopping the current advance on Erbil by the terrorist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and to help forces in Iraq as they fight to break the siege of Mount Sinjar and protect the civilians trapped there,” Obama wrote, making no mention of the 2001 or 2002 AUMFs permitting strikes on al Qaeda and it affiliates in Iraq and elsewhere.

While Obama could use the Iraq AUMF as a legal justification for the strikes, the administration is reticent to do so due to the political implications of invoking the act, which the administration and its allies have fought to repeal for years.

Obama, like other presidents, has the ability to invoke “customary war powers,” though the case of Iraq is proving to be particularly tricky due to the administration’s reticence to involve itself in the fight against ISIL.

“If the way the president handled Syria is an indication, there’s no strategy and no plan for tomorrow,” said the Senate source apprised of the closed-door briefings on Iraq.

The issue is further muddled by ISIL’s status as a militant group. While al Qaeda has claimed that ISIL is an offshoot of the terror group, ISIL leaders have distanced themselves from the larger organization.

The 2001 AUMF permits the president to take action against any group responsible for the 9/11 attacks, primarily al Qaeda.

A second senior Senate aide who works on military matters explained that Obama is walking a fine line when it comes to his legal justification for the strikes.

“Though the president’s powers as commander-in-chief are not explicitly defined in the Constitution, it is generally understood that the President has ‘customary war powers’ which is evidenced by the fact, as of 2004, we have used military action over 300 times but have only declared war 11 times,” the source explained. “So to answer your question, ‘No’ the president does not need authorization to conduct airstrikes.”

“We can talk about how the president will probably file a War Powers Resolution report with Congress so as to be consistent with that law,” the source explained, just hours before Obama actually did so.

“However, no president has ever conceded the Constitutionality of the WPR. That being said the Iraqi Authorization for the Use of Force is still on the books,” the insider explained. “The Iraqi AUMF does provide a broad authorization for the use of force but the president will not invoke it for political reasons.”

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2014, 10:31:08 AM »
Prepare for a Long War Against the Islamic State
Townhall.com ^  | August 13, 2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2014‎ ‎12‎:‎36‎:‎32‎ ‎PM by Kaslin



The hawks (including me) were wrong about a lot, but some got one thing right. It's going to be a long war.

In the early days after 9/11 there was a lot of talk about a "clash of civilizations" and a long "existential struggle" facing the West. I once asked the late Christopher Hitchens what he felt on that terrible day, and he said he felt no small amount of joy. Not for the suffering and death, but for the fact that the West finally had been awakened to the terrible but necessary struggle before us.

And for a time, many liberals bought into the idea that America was heading into a generational struggle with jihadism. There were a slew of books on the subject. Peter Beinart, for instance, wrote "The Good Fight: Why Liberals -- and Only Liberals -- Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again." As the subtitle suggests, there was a lot of partisan mischief in his argument, but it rested on the premise that liberals must accept that "Islamic totalitarianism" -- his phrase -- has replaced communism as our enemy. On this, at least, Beinart and company, briefly agreed with George W. Bush that the war against "Islamic fascists" (Bush's term) was the "decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century."

That consensus evaporated in the hot rage ignited by the Iraq war. By the time President Obama was elected, even the war in Afghanistan -- once the good war according to most Iraq war critics -- had become an emotional albatross. Tellingly, among Obama's first executive orders was one to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay as quickly as possible.

This was a triumph for the new enlightened consensus that the war on terror wasn't really a war at all. In 2007, retired Gen. Wesley Clark co-authored an op-ed for the New York Times ridiculing the idea that Al Qaeda was a military enemy. "Labeling its members as combatants elevates its cause and gives Al Qaeda an undeserved status," he argued. The "more appropriate designation for terrorists is not 'unlawful combatant' but the one long used by the United States: criminal."

Although Obama has tried to move captured terrorists into the domestic criminal justice system, to his credit, he never fully bought into this argument. Still, he cast terrorism as a manageable problem for the experts, not a civilizational struggle. Zeus-like, he personally went over his kill lists, selecting which enemies should be dispatched with a drone strike or, in the case of Osama bin Laden, the furies of SEAL Team 6.

When new threats emerged, the White House dismissed them with the whitewash that "core Al Qaeda" was "on the run." All pretenders to Al Qaeda's mantle were little more than a "jayvee" squad, as Obama put it. It's OK to slumber again was the message.

One jayvee squad -- the self-styled Islamic State formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS -- now controls the territorial equivalent of Britain and is one of the best-equipped and ideologically committed military forces in the Middle East. Everyday jihadis -- many with Western passports -- enlist in the struggle to create a global caliphate while the "Muslim street" from Turkey to Saudi Arabia follows the Islamic State like a sports team.

The Islamic State's atrocities are too numerous and too horrible to list here. It includes rape and slavery, religious cleansing, mass murder, public crucifixions and beheadings. Over the weekend, an Iraq official said that the Islamic State had killed at least 500 Iraqi Yazidis, burying some alive, including women and children. The group is only too happy to tweet about all of it.

Watch Vice TV's reports from Islamic State-controlled parts of Syria and you will quickly see how the word "criminal" is morally, logically and strategically inadequate. They indoctrinate children to become jihadists and suicide bombers. They vow to fly their black flag over the White House.

Pentagon officials told NBC's Jim Miklaszewski that they see the Islamic State as a "10- to 20-year challenge." I hope that's pessimistic. But it's simply realistic that the ideological agenda driving these jihadis will present a challenge for far longer than that.

No one in the West wants a generational struggle with jihadism any more than Israel wants perpetual war with Hamas in Gaza. The problem is the enemy always gets a vote. It just may be that the Middle East will become the West's Gaza. And, so far, nobody has a good answer for what to do about it.

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2014, 10:40:49 AM »
It has nothing to do with Obama or the US, they're not responsible for another country's security.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 10:58:43 AM »
U.S. Could Use Ground Troops to Save Iraqi Refugees
A senior White House official said on Wednesday that the United States would consider using American ground troops to assist Iraqis in rescuing Yazidi refugees if recommended by military advisers assessing the situation.
Benjamin J. Rhodes, the deputy national security adviser, told reporters on Martha’s Vineyard that President Obama would probably receive recommendations in the next several days about how to mount a rescue operation to help the refugees, who are stranded on a mountaintop surrounded by Sunni militants. He said those recommendations could include the use of American ground troops.
But he drew a distinction between the use of American forces to help a humanitarian mission and the use of troops in a battle against the militants from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, something he said the president had rejected before and continued to oppose.
“What he’s ruled out is reintroducing U.S. forces into combat on the ground in Iraq,” Mr. Rhodes said. He added, using an alternative name for the militant group, that the deployment of ground troops to assist a rescue was “different than reintroducing U.S. forces in a combat role to take the fight to ISIL.”

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Re: Obamafail owned into oblivion again on Iraq
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 01:15:48 PM »
US to Ship Unprecedented Number of Hellfire Missiles to Iraq
JPUpdate ^  | 8-14-14

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According to a report in the Washington Post, the Pentagon signaled on Tuesday that it is considering to send its largest ever shipment of Hellfire missiles to Iraq as the government there hunkers down for a prolonged battle against radical Islamic terrorists who have asserted control over hundreds of square miles of territory across western and northern parts of the country. Pentagon officials disclosed that the State Department has approved the possible sale of 5,000 AGM-114K/N/R missiles and related parts and training. The estimated cost of the transaction would be approximately $700 million, and it would be much larger than previous shipments of Hellfire missiles to Iraq.

The move is not considered surprising, as it was reported at the beginning of July that State Department officials had informed lawmakers that the Obama administration wanted to send at least 4,000 more Hellfire missiles to Iraq.

The Iraqi military used up its inventory of about 300 Hellfire missiles in June as ISIS forces seized territory in numerous parts of the country. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, stated last month that the United States would ship approximately 800 more of the missiles by the end of July. The missiles are deployed from several different aircraft, including the Iraqi air force’s AC-208 Cessna Caravan.

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