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Fathers and kids development
« on: August 14, 2014, 02:53:56 PM »
A. When our country's welfare system was being developed, a rule was issued that if the father resided with the mother, benefits would be reduced or cut off.

1. The impact was predictable, the number of children living in fatherless homes rose from 5.1 million in 1960 to 16.5 million in 1995.

B. Articles were published in the 1990's attacking the notion of fatherhood. Myths developed

1. Men batter their wives (truth is that half of abusers are men and half are women - the only difference is that women are more likely to be injured.)

2. Men break up marriages (actually two-thirds of divorces are initiated by women - most common reason cited: they were growing apart or she didn't feel loved anymore.)

3. Fathers abuse their children (the majority of maltreated children were abused by their mother 58% verses 42% for fathers in a 2003 government study)

C. Older television shows had titles like "Father Knows Best," but current televison portray fathers as bumbling idiots.

D. What is interesting is that people didn't always have this view

1. In 1965 Patrick Moynihan made this conclusion: "From the wild Irish slums of the 19^th century eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history: A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any rational expectations about the future - that community asks for and gets chaos."

2. Real studies, not empty claims, show that fathers play an important role in cognitive abilities in their children

a. "When fathers are involved in their children's education, the kids were more likely to get A's, enjoy school, and participate in extracurricular activities."

b. Children with involved fathers tend to attain higher levels of education.

c. A study of 17,000 children, published in /Adolescence/, found that children living apart from their biological father were more likely to repeat a grade in school and 70% more likely to be expelled.

3. Fathers play an important role in moral behavior

a. Without involved fathers, teenagers are more likely to use alcohol, tobacco, illicit drugs. They are more likely to commit suicide.

(1) A 1988 study, published in the /Journal of Research on Crime and Delinquency/ found that the best predictor of violent crime and burglary in a community was the proportion of households without fathers.

(2) US Department of Health and Human Services/ found that 70% of all juveniles in long-term correctional facilities did not live with their father while growing up.

b. Fathers strongly influence their children's sex-role identities.

(1) Good male role models help adolescent boys develop their gender characteristics.

(2) David Bankenhorn, /Fatherless America/, "A biological father has no equal when it comes to socializing a male child, especially in teaching respectful attitudes toward females."

(3) They help adolescent girls form their opinions of men and help them relate with men.

c. Adolescent girls are three times more likely to engage in sex before 15. They are five times more likely to become a teenage mother.

d. Boys tend to respond more readily to systems of rewards and punishments that fathers use than those used by mothers.

4. It follows that the influence of dads also affects the general health and well-being of their children, since they hinder poor moral choices, but also

a. Without fathers, children tend to have higher rates of asthma, headaches, anxieties, depression and behavioral problems

b. Children with engaged fathers show greater initiative and demonstrate self-control. They also tend to be economically self-sufficient.

c. Boys with engaged fathers tend to be good fathers as well. After all, they had someone to model their behavior after.



-Charles Francis Adams, son of U.S. President John Quincy Adams was a diplomat to Great Britain, as had been his father and grandfather.
-On one occasion he wrote this in his diary: "Went fishing with my son today --a day wasted."
-His son, Brooks, wrote this entry for the same day: "Went fishing with my father --the most wonderful day of my life."

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 03:15:45 PM »
Kids need both parents. Mother and father. Not father and father  :-X

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 03:44:37 PM »
kids doesnt need parents. they should at an early age be taken care of by drill instructors.
their parents should both work fulltime. this maximize productivity in a society.

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 04:03:50 PM »
Myths about divorce

    Children of divorced parents, have lower divorce rates than children whose parents never divorced. (Children learn by example and have never seen how a successful marriage operates. When they divorce, they are following in their parents footsteps.)
    Children living with one of their divorced parents, are happier in a new step family if the parent remarries. (There is no improvement in the children at best, and often the children are worse off in step families, than living with a single parent.)
    "The problems children experience as a result of divorce are temporary with no long term consequences." Or "Divorce is better for the kids if the parents fight." (There is a large body of research conducted by non-Christians that divorce is far more harmful than parents that fight. See books like: The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce.)
    When parents don't get along, children are better off if their parents divorce than if they stay together. Studies have found that in the small percentage of "worst case" high conflict homes (significant physical abuse), children do a little better after divorce. The same damage is inflicted upon the children as a result of the divorce that they will need to cope with, but the removal from the high conflict environment brings greater relief than the divorce creates for a net gain. However the vast majority of all divorces where the parents fight, the children were able to cope quite well until the parents actually divorced. In most cases the children fared much worse after divorce than while they endured fighting parents. Here the damage created by the parents fighting is much less than the damage the divorce creates. Its almost always better for the kids for the fighting parents to stay together. Better still if the parents grow up and stop fighting.


   

Divorce always harms kids!
A. Divorce is for parents happiness, not the kids. Kids never want their parents to divorce.
B. Studies have shown that kids always do better in family where couples fight, rather than divorce.
C. Studies have proven that divorce almost always causes permanent and long lasting damages the children. Parents instinctively know this of course, but are too selfish to put their children's happiness first over their own. Statistically, parents are simply not staying together for the sake of the kids any more. No wonder society is all messed up.

 Discussion:

If you are an adult child of divorce, a divorced person, someone considering divorce, or anyone professionally involved, such as judges, lawyers or pastors - you must read by Wallerstein, . Already on the top ten bestseller list, I predict it will remain there for years.


   

In "'The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce" (written by Dr. Judith Wallerstein, Julia Lewis and Sandra Blakeslee) 60 families were interviewed, both parents and 131 children at the time of their divorce, and then re-interviewed them 5, 10, 15 and 25 years later! America's only longitudinal study of divorce is profoundly disturbing and shatters major myths about divorce:

Myth 1. If parents are happier after divorce, the children will be too. In fact, children of divorce become more aggressive than those in intact homes, suffer more depression, have more learning difficulties, are more promiscuous, bear more children born out of wedlock, are less likely to marry and more likely to divorce.

Myth 2. Divorce is a temporary crisis whose most harmful impact is at the time of divorce. A related myth is that if the parents don't fight in front of the children after divorce, and show love for them, they will be all right. But as Dr. Wallerstein writes, only after seeing these children grow into adulthood, did she see the whole picture:
''Divorce is a life-transforming experience...The whole trajectory of an individual's life is profoundly altered by the divorce experience...The divorced family has an entirely new cast of characters and relationships featuring stepparents and stepsiblings, second marriages and second divorces, and often a series of live-in lovers. The child who grows up in a post-divorce family often experiences not one loss - that of the intact family - but a series of losses as people come and go.''
In fact, adult children of divorce say flatly, ''The day my parents divorced is the day my childhood ended.'' Their new world is ''far less reliable, more dangerous place because the closest relationships in their lives can no longer be expected to hold firm.'' Most lost not only a father, but their mother as well as she became fully engaged in rebuilding her life economically, socially and sexually. Parenting cut loose from marriage is ''less stable, more volatile, less protective.''

Myth 3: The best time to divorce is when children are very young. In fact, ''youngest children tend to suffer the most. At an age when they need constant protection and loving nurturance, these young children have parents in turmoil.'' Half of the million children whose parents divorce annually are under the age of six.
Wallerstein depicts Paula whose whole world collapsed. Her father was an affluent pharmacist, an attentive husband and parent. Her mother devoted herself to Paula, active in her school activities, taking her to swimming lessons. After her father's business went bankrupt, he disappeared. Her mother, able only get a minimum wage job, transformed from a cheerful person into a strained, desperately tired, silent and resentful woman with no time for Paula.
Only as an adult could Paula put the magnitude of these losses into words: ''Suddenly there was no one there. I spent so much time alone that I tried to become my own company. But how can you do that as a four-year-old child? I would go for days without saying a word.''

Myth 4: The major impact of divorce occurs in childhood or adolescence. Untrue. It is ''in adulthood the children of divorce suffer the most. The impact of divorce hits them most cruelly as they go in search of love, sexual intimacy, and commitment... Anxiety leads many into making bad choices in relationships, giving up hastily when problems arise, or avoiding'' all relationships.
At 15, Paula dressed like a slut, boasted about being high every day on drugs or alcohol and was very promiscuous. Six years later she was living with a man who she planned to marry. Why? ''He loves me, he's kinda hyper, and he likes to party. I said to him, `It's my birthday, marry me.'' They had a child who was neglected in their drinking bouts. After a divorce, she was in the same spot as her mother years earlier - ''no money, no training, no home, with a child to support.''
By contrast, ''many young men from divorced families are immobilized,'' not having had any relationships. This is a major reason the number of never-married Americans has doubled.

Myth 5: Staying in an unhappy marriage is harmful for children. Wallerstein interviewed friends of those whose parents divorced, who went to the same schools as but whose parents remained intact, even when marriages were unhappy. Few realize that ''children can be reasonably content despite the failing marriage,'' she says. But if they divorce, ''the parents have failed at a central task of adulthood,'' which builds in their children a fear, `If they failed, I can fail too.'''

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 05:28:01 PM »
As far as I am concerned the King James Bible is clear on this issue.
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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 05:29:05 PM »
Can you site your sources? Not that I don't believe you, because I do, but if I have to use this in an argument I can't use GetBig as my source. Moynihan also wrote a report about blacks and what was going to happen to them because of welfare and the fatherlessness in the community. But, like anything that tells the truth, but might show one "race" in a bad light, it was quietly shelved.

And to the issue of father's not living with their families, that's why they "stay" somewhere but never "live" there. ::)

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 06:03:44 PM »
Wow - a mommy and a daddy are good for a kiddy... Profound and totally relevant to getting big!!!

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 06:20:32 PM »
As far as I am concerned the King James Bible is clear on this issue.
Get rid of God=removing a higher moral authority. Get rid of the father=chaos and easy to confuse youth. Who replaces both? The State.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 06:22:35 PM »
Wow - a mommy and a daddy are good for a kiddy... Profound and totally relevant to getting big!!!

Yes, maybe this is why the alligator is so "awnry", cause he gots no daddy.

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 06:26:21 PM »
Get rid of God=removing a higher moral authority. Get rid of the father=chaos and easy to confuse youth. Who replaces both? The State.

the irony being that the state is led by elites who often come from...stable families and went to christian private schools.

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 06:37:56 PM »
Kids need both parents. Mother and father. Not father and father  :-X

Don't tell our friend 0091FS that....  ;D

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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 07:18:06 PM »
Don't tell our friend 0091FS that....  ;D

I did notice he has a strong penchant for a certain wonkey eyed queen.  :-\

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 07:33:01 PM »
Don't tell our friend 0091FS that....  ;D

Of course do not tell me that, because my response is going to be, "prove it."

If you're going to say that a child needs both parents, you need to be able to prove that a kid benefits more from having a mother and father, as opposed to a gay couple.

Why should I believe anyone just based on their statement?  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Or should I keep owning you like I did a few weeks ago? Remember that?  ;) ;)  :D :D :-* :-*
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 07:33:53 PM »
I did notice he has a strong penchant for a certain wonkey eyed queen.  :-\

That's because Vissy is a sight for sore eyes.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 07:35:06 PM »
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Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 07:35:37 PM »
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Re: Fathers and kids development
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2014, 03:47:41 AM »
my sons 8 yrs old n  me myself as a kid who got beaten up bad by his dad almost everyday, i never hit my son.i just make him do pushups or free hand squats when he acts up, my dad was a drunk alot n dont forget back in the 70,s there was no such thing as dyfuss n shit like that,it wasnt uncommen to see parents(usually the dad) kicking the shit outta their kids up n down the block with a stick n no one said anything. i just cant understand to this day how my dad beat me down as a kid, i cant imagine hurting my son cause i love him more than anything in the world. its funny cause i told my wife that the other day n she kinda got jealous, i could see it in her actions. but bottom line is hes my blood n she isnt. my dad finally stopped hurting me n beating me when i turned 15 n started wrestling in school, he attempted to crack me n i did a perfect double leg on him and had him mounted in 5 seconds,i loaded up my right hand to blast him but i just couldnt do it, i got up n walked away. he never tried to hit me again n believe it or not we started to have a pretty good father n son relationship,.sad to say tho that i can never totally forget the beatings he gave me, i mean he would fuck me up to the point of bruises,he made me lie to my teachers n say i fell down. he was a troubled man,i found out from my mom that his dad(my grandfather)shot himself near my dad n then he had a stepdad who beat him senseless when he was younger also,its a viscious cycle sometimes
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