Author Topic: 2014 Olympia - Phil Heath - 5 weeks out - it's over! (Read 22097 times)

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #75 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:06:26 AM »

Affeman becomes simply a bit childish/foolish when he lacks any rational argumentation...

Necrosis · « **Reply #76 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:07:45 AM »

Quote from: Shockwave on August 19, 2014, 05:01:38 AM

Pffftttttttt.

Of course its not kike there is high quality pics showing that the guys of yesteryear got drier, were more conditioned, and grainier than today's 'bloof balls'.

Also not like there were dozens of people who saw these guys in person saying the same thing.

You'll never find industry guys who've seen them both in person say Phil is more conditioned or grainier than Doz.

Fond a new angle brah, this one doesn't work.

I would say phil is more conditioned. Look at his arms, glutes etc. Dorian's back was always shredded. But I don't find his quads shredded, nor glutes, nor hams. His dryness was above all, I can seem more detail in phil in other areas.

Lustral · « **Reply #77 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:08:04 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 19, 2014, 04:57:36 AM

Holy shit DP, check out how much "grainier" those guys were back in the day, I bet it has nothing to do with the shitty footage. They were just so much grainier than todays elite

I will agree that the lighting at that British GP was extremely favourable, but look at 91 O, 96 German GP... 5 years apart, both with strong lighting and Dorian is grainy in both videos (just plucking two at random that I remember lighting).

Dorian was able to attain that level of size and keep the extreme conditioning. Others tried to match size but couldn't keep that level of conditioning. People forgot that you should keep the conditioning as you grow. Today's physiques look so different - just look at their faces on contest day. Bloated with puffy cheeks. Look at Levrone, Ronnie, Dorian back in the 90s - sunken cheeks and death faces. Kai and Phil look like they are storing reserves for winter in their cheeks.

Some of the 212 guys like Dave Henry and Troy Alves still come in hard with death faces but it is almost gone from the open class.

affeman · « **Reply #78 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:09:02 AM »

Quote from: Shockwave on August 19, 2014, 05:01:38 AM

Pffftttttttt.

Of course its not kike there is high quality pics showing that the guys of yesteryear got drier, were more conditioned, and grainier than today's 'bloof balls'.

Also not like there were dozens of people who saw these guys in person saying the same thing.

You'll never find industry guys who've seen them both in person say Phil is more conditioned or grainier than Doz.

Fond a new angle brah, this one doesn't work.

Kamali said after Phils first Olympia win that Phil is the best BB ever and neither a prime Dorian nor Ronnie could hold a candle next to The Gift.

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #79 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:10:28 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 19, 2014, 05:09:02 AM

Kamali said after Phils first Olympia win that Phil is the best BB ever and neither a prime Dorian nor Ronnie could hold a candle next to The Gift.

Who listens to Tamali?

affeman · « **Reply #80 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:12:25 AM »

Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 19, 2014, 05:10:28 AM

Who listens to Tamali?

Well he's a pro, unbiased and has seen everyone at his prime up close.

Lustral · « **Reply #81 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:13:06 AM »

Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 19, 2014, 05:10:28 AM

Who listens to Tamali?

I disagree with Tamali but he was an entertaining host/commentator.

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #82 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:18:09 AM »

Quote from: affeman on August 19, 2014, 05:12:25 AM

Well he's a pro, unbiased and has seen everyone at his prime up close.

He was a pro and I guess it's safe to say that he never deserved that status.
Unbiased? He's just a barking dog, don't be so naive...

Ronnie Rep · « **Reply #83 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:34:15 AM »

Stop with comparisons to Ronnie. He ain't competing in the Olympia, Phil is the best guy on stage on that day. Unless he comes in off, he ain't losing.

Shockwave · « **Reply #84 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:36:10 AM »

Quote from: Necrosis on August 19, 2014, 05:07:45 AM

I would say phil is more conditioned. Look at his arms, glutes etc. Dorian's back was always shredded. But I don't find his quads shredded, nor glutes, nor hams. His dryness was above all, I can seem more detail in phil in other areas.

Yes and no. Dorian doesnt have the striations the other giys do genetically, theres not an oz of fat or water on him, he was nust a genetic anomaly when it came to his musculature.

Thats why so many people say he had the 'polished marble' look, like his muscles were so dense and hard that they simply dont have those fissures in the tissue we call striations.

Either way, the detail you speak of is a notoriously bad indicator of conditioning, as coleman had deep striations and shredded glutes when he was 12% and holding a ton of water.

Necrosis · « **Reply #85 on:** August 19, 2014, 09:47:41 AM »

Quote from: Shockwave on August 19, 2014, 05:36:10 AM

Yes and no. Dorian doesnt have the striations the other giys do genetically, theres not an oz of fat or water on him, he was nust a genetic anomaly when it came to his musculature.

Thats why so many people say he had the 'polished marble' look, like his muscles were so dense and hard that they simply dont have those fissures in the tissue we call striations.

Either way, the detail you speak of is a notoriously bad indicator of conditioning, as coleman had deep striations and shredded glutes when he was 12% and holding a ton of water.

you son of a bitch, marbling means fat in the muscle. perhaps he was a freak that held most of his fat in his musculature hence the appearance. Coleman proves my point, dorian has areas that appear shredded just like coleman but others, biceps for example or quads look far less conditioned.

I realize you said polished marble.