thoughts on new cycle

[jacko]

i was wondering what everyones thought were on a cycle i had in mind. . .

Deca:  300mg/week  (10 weeks)
Tren:  75mg/eod        (weeks 1-4/5)
Winny  :50mg/eod     (weeks 6-10)

Pct:  clomid /nolva

any thoughts or prior experiences with this combination are greatly appreciated!!

[Rimbaud]

Let me just say "where's the TEST?" before everyone else does.

[jacko]

at the moment this is all i can get my hands on. . . .id like to have test but i dont have the option and i dont know when i will be able to get any.  yes, i know test is the base of all cycles.  i also know what deca dick is and that tren has the same effects.  however, i am currently single and i honestly dont give a shit at the moment.  so, any comments on the drugs i have available???

[DIVISION]

at the moment this is all i can get my hands on. . . .id like to have test but i dont have the option and i dont know when i will be able to get any.  yes, i know test is the base of all cycles.  i also know what deca dick is and that tren has the same effects.  however, i am currently single and i honestly dont give a shit at the moment.  so, any comments on the drugs i have available???

This cycle will be a disaster without the Testosterone as a base.

500MG would go well with the 300MG Deca ew.

I would try to avoid running the Deca and Tren together as they compete for the same receptors as they are both chemically related compounds.

Your approach is wrong.  You don't run a cycle out of convenience.  If you don't have all the supplies then you don't run a cycle. 

I do not approve your cycle.   




DIV

[jacko]

DIVISION,
Thank you for your reply.  I appreciate the explanation on what I should look further into.  Thats the info and type of response I was looking for.  I was unsure of the cycle as it was.  I will continue searching for some test.  Thanks again!

[BigIronMike25]

This cycle will be a disaster without the Testosterone as a base.
500MG would go well with the 300MG Deca ew.
I would try to avoid running the Deca and Tren together as they compete for the same receptors as they are both chemically related compounds.
Your approach is wrong.  You don't run a cycle out of convenience.  If you don't have all the supplies then you don't run a cycle. 
I do not approve your cycle.   
DIV

DIV is right, as usual,  IF YOU CANT DO IT RIGHT, then DONT bother Doing It all ALL!!!

[MarkyM]

Ufff Deca and Tren cycle without Test.
This is a killer combination for a HPTA supress in the body.

I hope you are not serious running this cycle?!
I agree with DIV,...just pick one Tren or Deca and stack this with Test.

[Arnold jr]

I am a firm believer in test as the base of all cycles, but there is a certain Pro BB who has been trying to convince me for sometime that you can run deca w/o test successfully, w/o the sides.

His basis for this claim is that if you run your deca along with about 600MG B-6 this will prevent progesterone sides, and that adding in Proviron will ultimately take care of libido.

He claims that no test can be useful for:
1. For comp
2. Gyno problems
3. Estrogen
4. Curiosity alone
5. Avoiding the bloat
6. Avoiding acne
7. Cutting up more

He also believes that while test is useful, that is highly over-rated.

I posted a question concerning this on the BB board to Lee, since he is known to run test-free cycles and wanted his opinion on this, but so far no response.

Again, I still advocate test as the base of all cycles, but thought I'd throw this out there for you all to pick apart…needless to say, me and this guy have been going back and forth on this for sometime.

[muscle19]

thats pretty interesting a-jr! so ur saying that this pro that u know doesnt use test at all? i havre researched this on steroid info sites and there are plenty of them that actually  give out cycles withouyt test. for me, acne is a problem but havre decreased alittle with the useage of some strong acne cream but still visible. i guess everyone is diff. but i will always advocate the use of test in every cycle unless u like Mr. lee of course.


muscle

[Arnold jr]

thats pretty interesting a-jr! so ur saying that this pro that u know doesnt use test at all?

No, he uses it, just not in every cycle.

[DIVISION]

I am a firm believer in test as the base of all cycles, but there is a certain Pro BB who has been trying to convince me for sometime that you can run deca w/o test successfully, w/o the sides.
His basis for this claim is that if you run your deca along with about 600MG B-6 this will prevent progesterone sides, and that adding in Proviron will ultimately take care of libido.
He claims that no test can be useful for:
1. For comp
2. Gyno problems
3. Estrogen
4. Curiosity alone
5. Avoiding the bloat
6. Avoiding acne
7. Cutting up more
He also believes that while test is useful, that is highly over-rated.
I posted a question concerning this on the BB board to Lee, since he is known to run test-free cycles and wanted his opinion on this, but so far no response.
Again, I still advocate test as the base of all cycles, but thought I'd throw this out there for you all to pick apart…needless to say, me and this guy have been going back and forth on this for sometime.

Even if it does work for him, that doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you, baby Arnold.

Use at your own discretion but you may regret it dearly if you decide to run Deca alone.

I did and it absolutely killed my sex drive.......like to the point where I thought I was castrated.  I couldn't even get hard if I wanted to.  That's some scary shit.  I'll never run Deca alone again. 

If you want my opinion, PM me with who it is and I'll let you know whether he's full of shit or not.

I'm skeptical any BB would tell you what he uses and at what dosages.



DIV

[Arnold jr]

Even if it does work for him, that doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you, baby Arnold.
Use at your own discretion but you may regret it dearly if you decide to run Deca alone.

DIV

Don't worry, I don't plan on running any test-free cycle...just throwing out an argument that this guy made.

[DIVISION]

Don't worry, I don't plan on running any test-free cycle...just throwing out an argument that this guy made.

I think your guy is either genetically predisposed to not get "decadick" (some people don't get it) or he's full of shit.




DIV