its always the naturals pointing the finger at the guys who arent,bottom line is if your natural thats cool, if u r using roids thats cool also.its just like my gym, if some guy looks alittle to musculer all the nattys r in a group whispering the word(STEROIDS), when they ask me my opinion i just say the guy looks great n i dont know or do i care what he does do or doesnt do,he looks great n thats all i know