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Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« on: August 25, 2014, 06:26:45 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/08/24/Obama-Fretted-Over-His-Image-and-Golfed-While-Foley-Languished-for-a-Month

According to a new Sunday Times report by Toby Harden, "Pentagon sources said Foley and the others might well have been rescued but Obama, concerned about the ramifications of US troops being killed or captured in Syria, took too long to authorise the mission."

It's claimed that Obama was concerned about his administration being Carterized had the mission failed.


For President Barack Obama the decision to send in the Night Stalkers was an agonising one. The audacious bin Laden raid in Pakistan had been a success but also preying on his mind was the failed 1980 Delta Force operation to rescue American hostages in Tehran. Sandstorms and mechanical troubles led the mission to be abandoned and eight American troops were killed when two aircraft collided. The debacle cast a shadow over Jimmy Carter’s presidency.

However, it also seems worth noting that the eventual timing of the mission may have made for a nice July 4th weekend announcement for Obama had the mission succeeded. Instead, Obama played golf on July 5th, as well as an additional six times in the month he is said to have spent agonizing over his decision, the delay of which may have cost journalist Foley his life.


Anthony Shaffer, a former lieutenant-colonel in US military intelligence who worked on covert operations, said: “I’m told it was almost a 30-day delay from when they said they wanted to go to when he finally gave the green light. They were ready to go in June to grab the guy [Foley] and they weren’t permitted.”

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 07:08:09 AM »
Carterized.... lol.... I find this situation highly humorous as Obama is already carter V2... and he'll probably go down as a worse president than Carter.

Dude should have authorized the op, he's legacy is already in shambles, who gives a fuck? Oh, he's probably worried about Democrat reelection chances.....

And that's not even getting into the differences between modern day spec ops and Jimmy carter's delta team... that raid fundamentally changed how those units trained and operate.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 07:20:47 AM »
tricky one.   If we lost a chopper with 18 special forces, potentially started a war with Syria - for one journalist who got in trouble in syria... people would be screaming that obama sucks, that we don't need another war, etc.

caution is a tricky thing.   obama sucks, yes, but it's tough to blame him for this, given so many factors.  We're on brink of war with syria.... sending in a few dozen special forces to waste a bunch of their citizens without declaring war.... well, at that point, we're in another war.

And if we want another war, that's cool - everyone better say that up front.  Get on record now that you want to go to war over 1 journalist who was in syria.  Because it means we NEED to go to war with russia/ukraine for the dozens of americans killed in that plane bombing there too.  And your ass better have supported helping in Libya, since kadaffi killed americans.

I keep hearing people saying killing the journalist is an act of war - cool, but I want to make sure you apply this standard to EVERY country where this happens.   :(

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 07:24:31 AM »
I bet he watched him die in real time and knew where he was but was too busy to do it.

Should of sent in team America and lit the place up.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 07:41:22 AM »
I bet he watched him die in real time and knew where he was but was too busy to do it.

Should of sent in team America and lit the place up.

He was too busy on the front 9 and chooming w his boyfriend

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 09:20:01 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/08/24/Obama-Fretted-Over-His-Image-and-Golfed-While-Foley-Languished-for-a-Month

According to a new Sunday Times report by Toby Harden, "Pentagon sources said Foley and the others might well have been rescued but Obama, concerned about the ramifications of US troops being killed or captured in Syria, took too long to authorise the mission."

It's claimed that Obama was concerned about his administration being Carterized had the mission failed.


For President Barack Obama the decision to send in the Night Stalkers was an agonising one. The audacious bin Laden raid in Pakistan had been a success but also preying on his mind was the failed 1980 Delta Force operation to rescue American hostages in Tehran. Sandstorms and mechanical troubles led the mission to be abandoned and eight American troops were killed when two aircraft collided. The debacle cast a shadow over Jimmy Carter’s presidency.

However, it also seems worth noting that the eventual timing of the mission may have made for a nice July 4th weekend announcement for Obama had the mission succeeded. Instead, Obama played golf on July 5th, as well as an additional six times in the month he is said to have spent agonizing over his decision, the delay of which may have cost journalist Foley his life.


Anthony Shaffer, a former lieutenant-colonel in US military intelligence who worked on covert operations, said: “I’m told it was almost a 30-day delay from when they said they wanted to go to when he finally gave the green light. They were ready to go in June to grab the guy [Foley] and they weren’t permitted.”



The mission was authorized a month after he was missing ad Special Forces raided an area 3 months ago lookking for him....

God, you are a fucking moron.
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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 09:22:46 AM »

The mission was authorized a month after he was missing ad Special Forces raided an area 3 months ago lookking for him....

God, you are a fucking moron.

The poor bastard died - its on Obama - not me

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 09:27:27 AM »
The poor bastard died - its on Obama - not me


A lot of people died before him....a lot will die after him.  Its not on Obama, it was just his time.  
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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 12:25:06 PM »
The poor bastard died - its on Obama - not me

funny how your idiots scream about a nanny state and then get upset when you don't actually get one

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 12:50:04 PM »
funny how your idiots scream about a nanny state and then get upset when you don't actually get one

Golf Cart 1 should raid ISIS

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 03:10:53 PM »
Golf Cart 1 should raid ISIS

He's not order shit to be raided. He's a Muslim and doesn't want to ruffle anymore feathers. He's actually a part of the problem. He's scared.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 03:33:21 PM »
He's not order shit to be raided. He's a Muslim and doesn't want to ruffle anymore feathers. He's actually a part of the problem. He's scared.

He does is call to prayer four times a day and no one has noticed?

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 03:56:08 PM »
He's not order shit to be raided. He's a Muslim and doesn't want to ruffle anymore feathers. He's actually a part of the problem. He's scared.

Well, he did send a chopper full of badasses into Pakistan to kill bin laden in the middle of the night... I don't think anyone who is "a Muslim and doesn't want to ruffle anymore feathers" would do that.

Yes, he's scared of starting another war.  True, Hilary and Perry want a war with Syria, but Rand and Obama don't.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 04:15:12 PM »
He's not order shit to be raided. He's a Muslim and doesn't want to ruffle anymore feathers. He's actually a part of the problem. He's scared.

I guess Rush didn't talk about this

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/james-foley-us-military-launched-secret-rescue-operation/story?id=25060796

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U.S. special operations forces early this summer launched a secret, major rescue operation in Syria to save James Foley and a number of Americans held by the extremist group ISIS, but the mission failed because the hostages weren’t there, senior administration officials told ABC News today.

President Obama authorized the “substantial and complex” rescue operation after the officials said a “broad collection of intelligence” led the U.S. to believe the hostages were being held in a specific location in the embattled Middle Eastern nation.

When “several dozen” U.S. special operation members landed in Syria, however, they were met with gunfire and “while on site, it became apparent the hostages were not there,” one of the officials said. The special operators engaged in a firefight in which ISIS suffered “a good number” casualties, the official said, while the American forces suffered only a single minor injury.

The American forces were able to get back on helicopters and escape.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 05:28:27 PM »

Obama shouldn't have done shit for this guy.

Endanger more lives for what?  So he can go back into a war zone and report until his next capture?  ::)

He voluntarily went into a hell hole knowing full well how much these people hate us and what may happen.  Putting additional lives in danger is just another bad decision.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 05:33:28 PM »
I guess Rush didn't talk about this

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/james-foley-us-military-launched-secret-rescue-operation/story?id=25060796


RUSH doesn't read MSM crap like ABC, so he probably wasn't aware of it.

Obama shouldn't have done shit for this guy.

Endanger more lives for what?  So he can go back into a war zone and report until his next capture?  ::)

He voluntarily went into a hell hole knowing full well how much these people hate us and what may happen.  Putting additional lives in danger is just another bad decision.


UM, getbiggers (from the right, mind you) have called this an act of war and chided obama for not declaring war on syria because some american decided to LIVE IN SYRIA for a year, sniffing around.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2014, 01:11:46 AM »
Obama shouldn't have done shit for this guy.

Endanger more lives for what?  So he can go back into a war zone and report until his next capture?  ::)

He voluntarily went into a hell hole knowing full well how much these people hate us and what may happen.  Putting additional lives in danger is just another bad decision.


RUSH doesn't read MSM crap like ABC, so he probably wasn't aware of it.


UM, getbiggers (from the right, mind you) have called this an act of war and chided obama for not declaring war on syria because some american decided to LIVE IN SYRIA for a year, sniffing around.

Let us also not forget this is the 2nd time around for Foley. He was captured before in Libya.

This recent "beheading" reminds me so much of the last time we saw an American in an orange jumpsuite being "beheaded" Back then, after so many people saw the Abu Ghraib contractor in the brand spanking new Nikes at the end of the clip, ...and started to question the absence of blood from a decapitated body, the YouTube clip was pulled as quickly as they could. Hmmm... I wonder what it is that's making them so quick to pull the clip this time?

"Beheaded" James Foley is NOT James Foley - See For Yourself

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 04:31:38 AM »
Skip, that argument doesn't hold any weight if you consider the Bergdahl debacle. 

Why didn't we offer to empty Guantanamo for Foley?


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Report: Obama waited a month before ordering the James Foley rescue attempt
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 10:54:22 AM »
I'm all out of shock, outrage, etc. when it comes to this man.

Report: Obama waited a month before ordering the James Foley rescue attempt
POSTED AT 11:21 AM ON AUGUST 25, 2014 BY ALLAHPUNDIT

Via Dan Riehl, who wonders if any of the seven rounds of golf O played during that month were less relaxing than usual. Toby Harnden has the scoop:

According to locals, some of the [U.S.] commandos were wearing Jordanian insignia, perhaps to mask their nationality. They entered the buildings and found the prison. But the hostages were not there. The special forces troops had found what they term a “dry hole”…

For President Barack Obama the decision to send in the Night Stalkers was an agonising one. The audacious bin Laden raid in Pakistan had been a success but also preying on his mind was the failed 1980 Delta Force operation to rescue American hostages in Tehran…

Pentagon sources said Foley and the others might well have been rescued but Obama, concerned about the ramifications of US troops being killed or captured in Syria, took too long to authorise the mission.

Anthony Shaffer, a former lieutenant-colonel in US military intelligence who worked on covert operations, said: “I’m told it was almost a 30-day delay from when they said they wanted to go to when he finally gave the green light. They were ready to go in June to grab the guy [Foley] and they weren’t permitted.”

According to a Defense source who spoke to the NYT last week, the Pentagon knew that the hostages were being moved periodically. Another Defense source claimed that it may have been “a matter of hours, perhaps a day or two” by which the the troops had missed Foley when they finally arrived at the prison in Syria. Time was obviously of the essence, yet if you believe Harnden’s source, it took 30 days for a green light. How come? The White House’s fears of a debacle a la Desert One or Mogadishu are understandable, but less understandable now than they were before the Bin Laden raid. Even if the Foley raid had fallen apart, what would the knock on Obama have been? That he had too much faith in the capabilities of soldiers who scalped the head of Al Qaeda and then exfiltrated without a single American casualty? The foot-dragging is also hard to explain. He took his time in ordering the Bin Laden raid, with internal deliberations extending over several months, but extra prudence was warranted in that case: Pakistan is (nominally) an ally, there were no innocent lives directly in the balance, and the White House had no reason to believe that Bin Laden would flee the scene before they got there. As I recall, intelligence showed he’d been at the Abbottabad compound for years. With Foley, that equation changed. The raid was aimed at enemy territory, the prisoners were being moved, and they could have been killed at any time. Why wait?

Maybe Obama thought he simply didn’t have the political capital needed on foreign policy anymore to make this call at the time. Scroll through his job approval ratings on foreign policy over the past six months. Starting in March, around the time that Putin began bullying Ukraine, his approval goes from single digits negative to double digits. If he had ordered the Foley raid quickly and it failed, it would have reinforced the image of a guy who’s at sea in dealing with bad actors abroad. So he waited, probably hoping things would turn around a bit before giving the order. Unfortunate.

Speaking of dealing with bad actors abroad, if you believe the Independent, we’re now handing over intelligence to the same guy we almost bombed a year ago.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/25/report-obama-waited-a-month-before-ordering-the-james-foley-rescue-attempt/

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 12:12:32 PM »
Skip, that argument doesn't hold any weight if you consider the Bergdahl debacle. 

Why didn't we offer to empty Guantanamo for Foley?



Foley was a freelance journalist and Bergdahl was/is a soldier in the Army.



 

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2014, 03:54:47 PM »
Foley was a freelance journalist and Bergdahl was/is a soldier in the Army.



 

Bergdahl deserted his unit. That is not debatable. As a result, several soldiers died trying to "rescue" him. I put rescue in quotation marks because it appears Bergdahl was a Taliban sympathizer. To top it off, we traded Bergdahl for our five highest value detainees at Guantanamo.

I don't think Foley's status as a journalist is relevant. And FYI the leader of ISIS is a former Guantanmo detainee that was released on Obama's watch. Somehow, I don't think that the five pieces of camel dreck we exchanged for Bergdahl are going to abandon their mission and open up a fallafel stand.

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2014, 05:48:17 PM »
OBAMA TIES AMERICA'S 'OCCUPYING FORCES' TO 'FEEDING EXTREMISM' (Blames America for ISIS)
Breitbart ^ | Aug 26, 2014
Posted on August 27, 2014 at 7:49:51 PM EDT by Lazamataz

Monday at the American Legion’s 96th National Convention, President Barack Obama said the answer for ISIS’s “evolving terrorist threat” is not for America to “occupy” countries and end up “feeding extremism.” [...]

“The answer is not to send in large scale military deployments that over stretch our military, and lead for us occupying countries for a long period of time and end up feeding extremism.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...

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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2014, 06:03:09 PM »
Bergdahl deserted his unit. That is not debatable. As a result, several soldiers died trying to "rescue" him. I put rescue in quotation marks because it appears Bergdahl was a Taliban sympathizer. To top it off, we traded Bergdahl for our five highest value detainees at Guantanamo.

I don't think Foley's status as a journalist is relevant. And FYI the leader of ISIS is a former Guantanmo detainee that was released on Obama's watch. Somehow, I don't think that the five pieces of camel dreck we exchanged for Bergdahl are going to abandon their mission and open up a fallafel stand.



Even if I accept your premise, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

IF Berghdahl deserted, then Obama shouldn't have done shit for him either.


As it stands, HH6 who is actually dealing directly with the case hasn't called him a deserter yet.


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Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2014, 07:20:27 PM »


Even if I accept your premise, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

IF Berghdahl deserted, then Obama shouldn't have done shit for him either.


As it stands, HH6 who is actually dealing directly with the case hasn't called him a deserter yet.



Be that as it may, how can you justify bending over backwards for a traitor while letting an innocent man get his head sawed off in front of the whole world?