Random AnabolicHalo ramblings

[Ropo]

Just for the sake of turth: how does steroids kill your kidneys and liver (if not oral)?

You don't know? Shame on you..

Just kidding..but the truth is that the argument which you are ready to use goes like this: THERE IS NONE SCIENTIFIC STUDY WHICH PROVES THAT STEROIDS ARE HARMFUL...Am I right? Lets go little bit further with my argument, which goes like this: AND THERE IS NO STUDY WHICH PROVES THEY'RE NOT HARM YOUR SYSTEM EITHER. Truth is, that there is no study, not either way, because no one has done it. So what next? As an ridiculous asshole, you may pull the card which point out that steroids are used as medicine, and I could shot that stupidity down just pointing out, that the dosage which BB:ers use is up to 100 000 times more than they use as medicine. Instead of throwing stupid arguments just count how many wrestlers, bodybuilders, strong man etc. has either dead or lost their kidneys etc. What you do not know is the fact, that number of dead or sick anonym gym rats is thousands times more. They just don't end in the news. And then the most fun part of this: ONLY HISTORY WILL TELL HOW YOU DID. Maybe you will continue jerking off even you are 100 years old, or on the other hand, maybe you will die in few month from now. Only history will prove what happen. So are you sure that steroids doesn't harm your kidneys or liver? No one knows it for sure  

[MikMaq]

back to 15,5" natural gunz

guess i do another cycle for summer

Can already imagine 5 threads daily about each nuance of his trashed dream.

Guys I Met Ronnie!!!
Meeting Ron was disappointing.
Guys what do you do when your hero dissapoints you?
I think I was disappointed by ronnie.
Do I seem disappointed?
I told babymama I was disappointed and she didn't care.
My hero influence me to stop juicing.
My babymama doesn't care I want to stop juicing.
Guys I've decided, I'm gonna stop juicing after meeting ronnie.
Banging girls without juicing, is it worth it?
I told babymama were getting back together after I stopped juicing.
Would ronnie care if I stopped juicing?
Should I ask ronnie If I should go natural?
Should I ask Ronnie if he would fuck baby mama.
Having kids is a big responsiblity, I told ronnie and he told me about his 15 kids, my dreams with baby mama shattered.

lol

[Cutlet767]

First off, try to understand this post is not an exaggeration. And, no one will be able to refute what I'm about to say successfully.

Rest assured, if you come off, you might as well chop your balls off. Even if you are "ok" when you come off, you will quit lifting. You will be depressed. Dick probably wont work for good many months (8 months not uncommon). You'll lose all your gains slowly, and you will be so depressed, you may actually contemplate suicide AND follow through with it. Everyone will react and treat you with considerably less respect than before. You will forever be looked at as a "baloon baby", "roider" even more so when you lose your gains than when you were bigger. And this is where you will realize you actually have NO FRIENDS, and people were only with you because you were big. If you have a girlfriend, I imagine she will leave you too... you don't need me to explain to you why this will happen.

Also good luck attracting women when you're off.. LOL. You will learn the hard way. Not only will you be considerably worse in bed (but that doesn't matter cuz you wont even make it that far), you will lose all that confidence to get girls since you would have lost all your gains.

Good luck bro. Believe you me, NONE of the above is exaggerated. I guarantee no one here will disagree with me.

When you are on, you are ON. The minute you make any gains from gear, you are ON hooked in for life. It's literally better to be dead than to go off since the quality of life when off compared to on will be epically worse. If there's no quality to your life, then, you have no life. Pretty simple, really. Unless you have a kid that you live for that is.

If people actually looked at what happens on paper when they go off... many won't even go on to begin with. Those who do, will understand it is a life-long commitment. Why do you think so many compete to give their lives some sort of "meaning" and "goal" they are shooting for. Lol, you think it's not just because of that gear they are all shooting? Get real. Same deal with naturals to be fair, except naturals are actually building legitimate muscle, whereas gear users are just building fabricated tissue that disappears as soon as they're done injecting for some reason even though that bullshit they preach about "eating clean" and "training religiously and intensely" is still there. But without the key component, you come to realise you might as well be trying to take down the Great Wall of China with a toothpick.:

Test levels from 4000+ down to sub 100. You decide on how incredibly shitty that must feel.

[BigRo]

I don't take kindly to being disrespected here or anywhere else! You haven't used my biceps machine so know zero about how it works the muscle better than any other biceps machine.

Two Dianabol tablets for a couple of months three times in my career that started back in 1958. No DBall until 1970. Today broscience would say that 2 pills wouldn't do much at all.

LOL!!!

[whitewidow]

First off, try to understand this post is not an exaggeration. And, no one will be able to refute what I'm about to say successfully.

Rest assured, if you come off, you might as well chop your balls off. Even if you are "ok" when you come off, you will quit lifting. You will be depressed. Dick probably wont work for good many months (8 months not uncommon). You'll lose all your gains slowly, and you will be so depressed, you may actually contemplate suicide AND follow through with it. Everyone will react and treat you with considerably less respect than before. You will forever be looked at as a "baloon baby", "roider" even more so when you lose your gains than when you were bigger. And this is where you will realize you actually have NO FRIENDS, and people were only with you because you were big. If you have a girlfriend, I imagine she will leave you too... you don't need me to explain to you why this will happen.

Also good luck attracting women when you're off.. LOL. You will learn the hard way. Not only will you be considerably worse in bed (but that doesn't matter cuz you wont even make it that far), you will lose all that confidence to get girls since you would have lost all your gains.



Good luck bro. Believe you me, NONE of the above is exaggerated. I guarantee no one here will disagree with me.

When you are on, you are ON. The minute you make any gains from gear, you are ON hooked in for life. It's literally better to be dead than to go off since the quality of life when off compared to on will be epically worse. If there's no quality to your life, then, you have no life. Pretty simple, really. Unless you have a kid that you live for that is.

I agree I cycled around with steroid doing it wrong for years. I would do 12 week cycles just to experiemnt then take 12 weeks off very dumb unless you just do it once. if you keep doing it like I did you can fuck yourself up. Now I know I it's a permanent choice! If you do decide to come off wich i don;t advise just taper down your dose but always cruise on a small amount of gear even if it's just a amp a week. Coming off completely is possible but you would have to taper down real slowly and go seek a doctor to help you out and like this guy said you won;t feel the same again it does fuck with you mentally. believe me you will start using them again anyway so just stay on and go on a light cruise.

Only reason to quit is if your really having some health issues and I don;t think you use those kind of doses or exotics to cause too many health problems but def go get bloodwork every year.

[Cutlet767]

I agree I cycled around with steroid doing it wrong for years. I would do 12 week cycles just to experiemnt then take 12 weeks off very dumb unless you just do it once. if you keep doing it like I did you can fuck yourself up. Now I know I it's a permanent choice! If you do decide to come off wich i don;t advise just taper down your dose but always cruise on a small amount of gear even if it's just a amp a week. Coming off completely is possible but you would have to taper down real slowly and go seek a doctor to help you out and like this guy said you won;t feel the same again it does fuck with you mentally. believe me you will start using them again anyway so just stay on and go on a light cruise.

Only reason to quit is if your really having some health issues and I don;t think you use those kind of doses or exotics to cause too many health problems but def go get bloodwork every year.

When you quit, it should be because you want to find a new life. Not just away from bodybuilding, but also away from most of the people you associate with in your adult life, apart from maybe very close family and kids. I mean... how could you possibly expect to continue any sort of relationship with these people on any level? At a certain stage in life, relationships are formed based on what you are and never who you are inside as a person, period. Wives and girlfriends will never, ever, ever make it through the bodybuilder's depressive state and withdrawal which can last a year or more. Most likely more.

[whitewidow]

Is there really such a thing?

Yes and no. I would start a good regular PCT HCG,clomid,Nolva and then start using DAA and dhea that's about the best options there are along with vitamin b complex injections.

[Cutlet767]

Yes and no. I would start a good regular PCT HCG,clomid,Nolva and then start using DAA and dhea that's about the best options there are along with vitamin b complex injections.

This works to a degree, but like i said, only as damage control, but that's like covering your face before you crash into a wall at 90MPH.

Blood work is good yeah, HCG etc.. good to do it than not.

[BigRo]

When you quit, it should be because you want to find a new life. Not just away from bodybuilding, but also away from most of the people you associate with in your adult life, apart from maybe very close family and kids. I mean... how could you possibly expect to continue any sort of relationship with these people on any level? At a certain stage in life, relationships are formed based on what you are and never who you are inside as a person, period. Wives and girlfriends will never, ever, ever make it through the bodybuilder's depressive state and withdrawal which can last a year or more. Most likely more.

good words however there are some real woman that would stick by your side unless you are purposely making their life hell.

[whitewidow]

When you quit, it should be because you want to find a new life. Not just away from bodybuilding, but also away from most of the people you associate with in your adult life, apart from maybe very close family and kids. I mean... how could you possibly expect to continue any sort of relationship with these people on any level? At a certain stage in life, relationships are formed based on what you are and never who you are inside as a person, period. Wives and girlfriends will never, ever, ever make it through the bodybuilder's depressive state and withdrawal which can last a year or more. Most likely more.

once a bodybuilder always a bodybuilder. bodybuilders are selfish people so you just have to deal with people who understand that thats why I mainly try to get together with female figure or physique fitness competitors. I donp;t really care if they have some flaw they at least understand.

[Cutlet767]

good words however there are some real woman that would stick by your side unless you are purposely making their life hell.

very unlikely unless you met those women and formed the relationship mostly on your personality, and they didn't really accept your body on such a high level as they did your face as well. And they have to really, really, really, really, really love you. Like, be deeply in love with you. I don't think you know how bad the time off is when a bodybuilder literally gets lost with no purpose in life and clings to his woman for moral support (disgusting).

With most women you will swear blind that they love you. It will feel so much like they do. And then suddenly, it will turn out they didn't. Since not only have you lost your gains, but you're no longer that go-getter, super confident boss they used to know (because this is a large part of what women fall in love with). I've seen it first hand.

When picking a girl, you have to find a way to separate the bodybuilder in you from the real you. In general you have to be about something else than your bodybuilding lifestyle to keep people around if you lose your gains. It's so hard for bodybuilders to do this, because the activity is completely self consuming. The drugs help it completely take over your mind as well..

Sadly there's no escaping once you're in for long enough. You've got what, 6 real decades to life? Once you're in over a decade lifting and then afterwards lifting with drugs, 30 more decades living without that solid foundation your put in is hard to comprehend.

[whitewidow]

very unlikely unless you met those women and formed the relationship mostly on your personality, and they didn't really accept your body on such a high level as they did your face as well. And they have to really, really, really, really, really love you. Like, be deeply in love with you.

With most women you will swear blind that they love you. It will feel so much like they do. And then suddenly, it will turn out they didn't. Since not only have you lost your gains, but you're no longer that go-getter, super confident boss they used to know (because this is a large part of what women fall in love with). I've seen it first hand.

When picking a girl, you have to find a way to separate the bodybuilder in you from the real you. It's so hard for bodybuilders to do this, because the activity is completely self consuming. The drugs help it completely take over your mind as well..

Sadly there's no escaping once you're in for long enough. You've got what, 6 real decades to life? Once you're in over a decade lifting and then afterwards lifting with drugs, 30 more decades living without that solid foundation your put in is hard to comprehend.

female fitness competitors.they understand and they are not perfect either. same problems.works out great.

[Cutlet767]

female fitness competitors.they understand and they are not perfect either. same problems.works out great.

True man, I agree.  But consider that when you go off, she becomes the man in the relationship because you no longer run anything. You no loner compete, and you have no gains. She'll have the competitions still, and be the face of everything you both founded. She'll have her social media presence, her offline presence, and expo presence, and will still have those shallow friends treating her just the same as they used to unlike you, you become a shadow. because psychologically people will have to adjust to the new you. Anyone who has gone off notices that people treat them a LOT differently when they're no longer big. How would you feel about that?

This is also why you should stay off unless you are serious about adding testosterone as part of who you are. It's literally like fitting in a new permanent piece to your body.

Also, people, don't cite guys like Levrone and Flex Wheeler etc because they still have some level of power and influence over the fans because of who they used to be... their faces and personalities and accomplishments in the sport OVERCAME their physique and lifestyle. They managed to carve their names in history, so they will never be looked at with anything but respect even after all the gains are gone.

[ProudVirgin69]

First off, try to understand this post is not an exaggeration. And, no one will be able to refute what I'm about to say successfully.

Rest assured, if you come off, you might as well chop your balls off. Even if you are "ok" when you come off, you will quit lifting. You will be depressed. Dick probably wont work for good many months (8 months not uncommon). You'll lose all your gains slowly, and you will be so depressed, you may actually contemplate suicide AND follow through with it. Everyone will react and treat you with considerably less respect than before. You will forever be looked at as a "baloon baby", "roider" even more so when you lose your gains than when you were bigger. And this is where you will realize you actually have NO FRIENDS, and people were only with you because you were big. If you have a girlfriend, I imagine she will leave you too... you don't need me to explain to you why this will happen.

Also good luck attracting women when you're off.. LOL. You will learn the hard way. Not only will you be considerably worse in bed (but that doesn't matter cuz you wont even make it that far), you will lose all that confidence to get girls since you would have lost all your gains.

Good luck bro. Believe you me, NONE of the above is exaggerated. I guarantee no one here will disagree with me.

When you are on, you are ON. The minute you make any gains from gear, you are ON hooked in for life. It's literally better to be dead than to go off since the quality of life when off compared to on will be epically worse. If there's no quality to your life, then, you have no life. Pretty simple, really. Unless you have a kid that you live for that is.

If people actually looked at what happens on paper when they go off... many won't even go on to begin with. Those who do, will understand it is a life-long commitment. Why do you think so many compete to give their lives some sort of "meaning" and "goal" they are shooting for. Lol, you think it's not just because of that gear they are all shooting? Get real. Same deal with naturals to be fair, except naturals are actually building legitimate muscle, whereas gear users are just building fabricated tissue that disappears as soon as they're done injecting for some reason even though that bullshit they preach about "eating clean" and "training religiously and intensely" is still there. But without the key component, you come to realise you might as well be trying to take down the Great Wall of China with a toothpick.:

Test levels from 4000+ down to sub 100. You decide on how incredibly shitty that must feel.

 please, this is the biggest exaggerated pile of trash ever.  Plenty of people go off all the time, the only ones who have a hard time with it are the losers who derive their self-worth from their physique.  The rest of us have more things going for us

[Cutlet767]

 please, this is the biggest exaggerated pile of trash ever.  Plenty of people go off all the time, the only ones who have a hard time with it are the losers who derive their self-worth from their physique.  The rest of us have more things going for us

People go off... but who goes off permanently? No TRT, no nothing, but off? How many people do you know who took this game seriously enough aside from the top Olympia guys went off, and didn't have to form a different life afterwards and detach from that old crowd? (How do you even form a new life after bodybuilding... this shit is our entire life, literally every second of the day. We do nothing else, meals, training, then being involved in some activity that has something to do with bodybuilding. THink about it.. it's like losing your child in many, many ways than one. When you start using, own it. The only thing that should stop you from using should be.... somehow not having access to gear? That's why bodybuilders just keep using till they die... life is pointless if there's no passion. Unless maybe if you have a kid. Even your family is no reason to stay alive, because they're just your blood... they don't have the power to give you back the spark. That's a fact, youre just a walking corpse). How's Trey Brewer doing these days?  

BTW: I'm definitely not exaggerating about the suicide part, because a good many have done it.

[_aj_]

Is there any value to gradually decreasing the dose, down until you reach the what could be considered "natural" levels (125mg/2 weeks)? Or does it really not matter, the HPTA is shut down and a restart (should it happen) would only be in the complete absence of exogenous hormones.

I will admit that one of my "issues" that I needed to get my head around was -- barring any health issues -- TRT levels (at the least) are part of my future forever.

[Cutlet767]

Is there any value to gradually decreasing the dose, down until you reach the what could be considered "natural" levels (125mg/2 weeks)? Or does it really not matter, the HPTA is shut down and a restart (should it happen) would only be in the complete absence of exogenous hormones.

I will admit that one of my "issues" that I needed to get my head around was -- barring any health issues -- TRT levels (at the least) are part of my future forever.

No value, tapering has no real measurable benefit. You're just delaying the crash because you are essentially still on drugs. So, the effect remains. There are 2 states. On and off. And there is no way to "trick" your body otherwise.

When people say to me "I'm off" I just laugh. That "off" never lasts more than or even up to a year, very unlikely. You lose so many gains, you will go back like a junkie, it's a mental addiction more than physical. The loss of the gains is dramatic, the rebound is very bad dude. HPTA comes back but it may not. If it does, it takes many months, up to a year or more even with ancillaries. And even with ancillaries... again you're still on drugs. You're still fucking with your hormones. I don't see the upside. And that's hwy guys only come off if it threatens their life. Some will stay on despite this fact. The rebound is just too much to take between losing your lean tissue and dealing with people around you and your emotions due to the fucked up hormones.

[Cutlet767]

Your natural hormones will recover to a decent degree after a few months. Viagra will solve any dick problems.

As long as you have other shit going on in your life, losing the physique isn't that big a deal. Depends on one's perspective on life.

This really only applies to people who's lives revolve around their physiques. And let's face it, anyone who feels the need to use steroids to alter their physical appearance dramatically does not have any other perspective on life other than their body unless you're doing it for a temporary situation. Like an acting role. Dude, think about it... using steroids is an extreme measure. Only a person who only lives and breathes lifting will do this. And, those around you will completely acknowledge and associate you with this. You become that person. Unless you didn't get any good results from the drugs anyway and go back to being natural and no one was aware? That's the only exception I can think of. But I don't need to explain to you why this is extremely stupid because you won't lift anymore anyway.

But you know prior to using that the new and improved drug gains truly aren't your own so what's so catastrophic about going back to just you?   

Is it just too humbling an experience that you forget where you end and the drugs begin?

I'm not being critical here I'm actually trying to understand.  I've never used so I don't fully get it.

The drugs for the most part alter a bodybuilder's perception of reality.

If it didn't, you wouldn't have every single bodybuilder out there posting about diet and training and all that crap. You wouldn't even have them smiling doing selfies and shit. This sort of behavior is all the proof you need of the dangerous delusions that they become victim to. Stay on long enough (literally one cycle is enough) and you will forget what you truly are without them.

[Man of Steel]

cruising is the best way to refresh the receptors without losing too much gains
yes i do believe in the receptors stuff

going off is catastrophical
PCT meds will make you feel terrible + sky high estrogen levels
you litteraly shrink while getting fat  

i suggest cruising on 250mg of test + some peptides experimentation

But you know prior to using that the new and improved drug gains truly aren't your own so what's so catastrophic about going back to just you?  

Is it just too humbling an experience that you forget where you end and the drugs begin?

I'm not being critical here I'm actually trying to understand.  I've never used so I don't fully get it.

[heenok]

unless you are using short esther the gear will taper itself
enanthate take a good 4 weeks to completly leave your system... could be even longer

i believe going off with PCT puts more stress on the body and mind than just cruising
then again crusing should be 250mg test max
not 500mg test and 200mg of deca for "joints"   

keep in mind 250mg of test a week is THREE times the therapeutical dose
you still have a big edge over a natural

[a_pupil]

You know prior to making the new and improved drug gains that they truly aren't your own so what's so catastrophic about going back to just you?   

Is it just too humbling an experience that you forget where you end and the drugs begin?

I'm not being critical here I'm actually trying to understand.  I've never used so I don't fully get it.

Once you realise this, it isn't that big a deal coming off.

If you keep training and eating right you will keep a physique close to your genetic limit.

Anyways, if you stop injecting for 4-6 weeks it won't really effect you as the test e and bold esters will trickle out the system and not leave right away.

[Cutlet767]

Once you realise this, it isn't that big a deal coming off.

If you keep training and eating right you will keep a physique close to your genetic limit.

Anyways, if you stop injecting for 4-6 weeks it won't really effect you as the test e and bold esters will trickle out the system and not leave right away.

Training and eating right literally have no bearing on anything. If anything the extra cortisol from continued training will only wear you out much faster and put more stress on your system (this is actually a fact)..

Try to understand what's happening. The science of the whole thing. When you go on, you throw your body off balance. Homeostasis goes out the window.. for the better. you get huge due to this imbalance. When you come off, your body seeks to find that balance again. That means, stripping off all that lean tissue, raising the body fat, and even lowering your natural hormone production permanently to possibly a lower level than it originally was (almost always the case) as a protective measure to prevent that huge imbalance in future. You can't find balance without getting rid of all that extra tissue, and possibly more. Therefore, everything you do is completely irrelevant, because this is nothing to do with weights and "proper nutrition" anymore, but rather about nature running its course.

That's why nutrition means so little when drugs are involved, because in the presence of any good measure of calories, there will almost always be enough protein and carbs to build up lean tissue due to the extreme level of nitrogen retention steroids promote. In other words, diet means nothing on gear. It's largely irrelevant, and the drugs you consume including the dosages takes precedence over everything else.

[heenok]

well let me explain
you take lets say 500mg of test a week
your natty production gets shutdown and replaced by the exogenous amount you inject
then you stop injecting
your body is left with the test levels of a 10yo girl
your estogen levels SKYROCKET

basicly everything is going backward : you lose muscle and gain fat
at the same time

going off gear isnt going back to normal
its going from having super high test to ZERO test + HIGH E2

You feel like shit and you look like shit.
Not talking about the libido too lol

Then PCT meds helps keeping estro under control and restard your production, but it takes TIME. A good 2-3 months at least to normalise everything.

So at the end of day, after recovery (if it ever happens) it like you did 3 steps forward (on gear) and 2 steps backward (PCT time). Not really worth it.
At least blasting and cruising is like constant progress.

[Cutlet767]

If you're new and want to take steroids, you literally have to look at your entire life and decide if you want them to become a permanent part of it and then plan finances and lifestyle well ahead so you can get the drugs you need. Then consider bumps in the road like emergencies, sickness, and unplanned absences from your gear, including financial strife. Unless like I said, you're doing it to help with a disease, or you keep a mental tab of what you are before the drugs and remember it, with some margin for a lesser version of yourself (at least in the physical sense, because guys like Ronnie have a legacy) when you go off. This, makes you FAR ahead of the pack, and the experience will be considerably more fun since you know what to expect in any given scenario.

It's a very, very serious decision. Lots to think about. Including a good source, since there's so much garbage and poison in vials out there. Even poison in bottles as is the case of prohormones (the easy route many take to get to the dark side).

Instant gratification comes at a severe price in this game. Practically everyone who goes down this route does NOT think of even a fraction of everything I've laid out. They can't, since they're natty.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Good idea. Learn how to grow without those silly drugs. You are not huge with them so what is the point of using them? I have to laugh at the broscientists here advocating testosterone. You don't need that crap.

oh snap. Basile laying it down.