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Michael Brown funeral:
Mourners urge black Americans to take action


'All of us are required to respond to this,' Rev. Al Sharpton says, pointing to Brown's casket


The Associated Press Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:38 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 25, 2014 5:27 PM ET

The mourners filled an enormous church to remember Michael Brown — a "gentle giant," aspiring rapper and recent high school graduate on his way to a technical college.


But the funeral that unfolded Monday was about much more than the black 18-year-old who lay in the closed casket after being shot to death by a white police officer. The emotional service sought to consecrate Brown's death as another in the long history of the civil rights movement and implored black Americans to change their protest chants into legislation and law.

"Show up at the voting booths. Let your voices be heard, and let everyone know that we have had enough of all of this," said Eric Davis, one of Brown's cousins.

Civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton called for a movement to clean up police forces and the communities they serve.

"We're not anti-police. We respect police. But those police that are wrong need to be dealt with just like those in our community that are wrong need to be dealt with," Sharpton said.




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The hat that Michael Brown was wearing when he was shot by police lies on his casket at his funeral service Monday. (Associated Press)

Two uncles recalled how Brown had once predicted that someday the whole world would know his name.

"He did not know he was offering up a divine prophecy," Bernard Ewing said.

More than 4,500 mourners filled Friendly Temple Missionary Baptist Church in St. Louis for the service, which at times seemed like a cross between a gospel revival and a rock concert. It began with upbeat music punctuated by clapping. Some mourners danced in place.

In a stirring funeral oration, Sharpton challenged the audience to change the factors that led to Brown's shooting, including the heavy arming of police forces while their training fails to prevent a boy lying for hours "bleeding out" in the street.

"Some of us are so heavenly bound that we're no earthly good …. But all of us are required to respond to this," he said, pointing to Michael Brown's casket, "and all of us must solve this."

'Crying for justice'

The crowd included the parents of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old African-American fatally shot by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, along with a cousin of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old murdered by several white men while visiting Mississippi in 1955. Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.

Also in attendance were several White House aides, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, moviemaker Spike Lee, entertainer Sean Combs and some children of Martin Luther King.

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Director Spike Lee takes a picture of a black St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap on top of Michael Brown's casket on Monday. (Associated Press)

"We are required to leave here today and change things," Sharpton said. "Michael Brown must be remembered for more than disturbances. He must be remembered for this is when they started changing what was going on. … This is one of those moments ….

"No community in America would tolerate an 18-year-old boy laying in the street 4½ hours, and we're not going to tolerate it either."

The Rev. Charles Ewing, the uncle who delivered the eulogy, said Brown "prophetically spoke his demise." And now his blood is "crying from the ground. Crying for vengeance. Crying for justice."

Poster-size photos of Brown, wearing headphones, were on each side of the casket, which had a St. Louis Cardinals ball cap atop it. Large projection screens showed a photo of him clutching his high school diploma while wearing a cap and gown. Two days after his death, he had been scheduled to start training to become a heating and air conditioning technician.

Sharpton also took the black community to task, saying it should be as upset about black-on-black crime as it is about police violence: "We have to be outraged by our disrespect for each other."

"Blackness," he added, "has never been about being a gangster or a thug."


Money and possessions prestige mean little, he said, "if we can't protect a child walking down the street in Ferguson and protect him and bring justice."

Monday: day of silence

Brown's death fueled nearly two weeks of street protests in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson. But his father, Michael Brown Sr., asked protesters to observe a "day of silence" Monday to let the family grieve.

"Tomorrow all I want is peace," he told hundreds of people Sunday in St. Louis' largest city park during brief remarks at a festival that promotes peace over violence. "That's all I ask."

In the weeks following the shooting death by police of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., several members of the local and state police force, along with notable civil rights figures and politicians in the United States have appeared in or made comments on the ongoing protests. Here are some of the notable names in the ongoing crisis in Ferguson.
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The request appeared to be honored. At the Ferguson Police Department, where a small but steady group of protesters have stood vigil for two weeks, a handmade sign announced a "break for funeral." On Monday afternoon, the West Florissant Avenue commercial corridor was also devoid of protesters, whose ranks have typically swelled as days turned to nights.

After the service, Corey Thomas, a 34-year-old St. Louis man said the large crowd at the church reflected "that people are tired of being treated like dogs. They're tired of being taken advantage of."

The mourners came to show their support because "it could be any one of us," Thomas said.

Angela Pierre, a machine operator who once lived in Ferguson, said she hopes the funeral helps turn a page and eases tensions. Most important, though, she hopes it provides healing for Brown's family.

"I really wanted to just be here today to pray for the family and pray for peace," said Pierre, 48, who is black. "When all of this dies down, there's still a mother, father and a family who's lost someone. Sometimes a lot of the unrest takes away from that."

'Big Mike' good at fixing things, liked computer games

Brown was unarmed when he was shot Aug. 9 by officer Darren Wilson, who is white. A grand jury is considering evidence in the case, and a federal investigation is also underway.

Police have said a scuffle broke out after Wilson told Brown and a friend to move out of the street and onto a sidewalk. Police said Wilson was pushed into his squad car and physically assaulted. Some witnesses have reported seeing Brown's arms in the air — an act of surrender. An autopsy found Brown was shot at least six times.

Relatives denounced a video released by police, who say it shows Brown snatching cigars from a convenience store just before he was killed. In the video, the person said to be Brown is seen grabbing a clerk by the shirt and forcefully pushing him into a display rack.

Family and friends say Brown was an aspiring rapper with a gentle, joking manner who dubbed himself "Big Mike." He was good at fixing things, liked computer games, the rapper Lil Wayne, Drake, the movie Grown Ups 2, and the TV show Family Guy.

Monday also marked the first day back at school for students in the Ferguson-Florissant School District. Classes had been scheduled to begin Aug. 14 but were postponed because of safety concerns.

"We're ready to move forward," said Marcus Baker, a junior at McCluer South-Berkeley High School. "But we're still going to remember him."

With files from CBC News
© The Associated Press, 2014




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Michael Brown shooting and Ferguson aftermath timeline
CBC News Posted: Aug 19, 2014 3:42 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 19, 2014 4:38 AM ET


rotesters wander through a smokey haze after the passing of a midnight curfew meant to stem the ongoing demonstrations. Riot police ordered all the protesters to disperse, and many did, but about 100 stood about two blocks away until getting hit by another volley of tear gas. (Lucas Jackson/Reuters)

A timeline of key events following the fatal police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri.

Aug. 9: Brown and a companion are confronted by an officer as they walk back to Brown's home from a convenience store. Brown and the officer are involved in some kind of scuffle, followed by gunshots. Brown dies at the scene.

Aug. 10: After a candlelight vigil, people protesting Brown's death smash car windows and carry away armloads of looted goods from stores. In the first of several nights of violence, looters are seen making off with bags of food, toilet paper and alcohol. Some protesters stand atop police cars and taunt officers.

Aug. 11: The FBI opens an investigation into Brown's death, and two men who said they saw the shooting tell reporters that Brown had his hands raised when the officer approached with his weapon and fired repeatedly. That night, police in riot gear fire tear gas and rubber bullets to try to disperse a crowd.

Aug. 12:  Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson cancels plans to release the name of the officer who shot Brown, citing death threats against the police department and City Hall. The Rev. Al Sharpton and President Barack Obama both plead for calm after two nights of clashes between police and protesters.

Aug. 13: Another night of violence wracks Ferguson, with some people lobbing Molotov cocktails and other objects at police, who respond with smoke bombs and tear gas. Two reporters are detained at a McDonald's. Images of the standoff, showing police using armoured vehicles and pointing assault rifles at the crowds, are widely shared on social media.

Aug. 14: The Missouri Highway Patrol takes control of security in Ferguson, relieving local police of their law-enforcement authority after four days of violence. Within hours, the mood among protesters becomes lighter, even festive. The streets are filled with music, free food and even laughter.

Aug. 15: Police identify the officer who shot Brown as Darren Wilson, a 28-year-old man who had patrolled the St. Louis suburbs for six years. They also release a video purporting to show Brown robbing a convenience store of almost $50 worth of cigars shortly before he was killed. The video draws anger from protesters. After nightfall, officers and the crowds clash again. Some people in the crowd storm into the same convenience store that Brown was accused of robbing and loot it.

Aug. 16: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and imposes a curfew in Ferguson. The first night of the curfew ends with tear gas and seven arrests, after police in riot gear use armoured vehicles to disperse defiant protesters who refused to leave.

Aug. 17: Attorney General Eric Holder orders a federal medical examiner to perform another autopsy on Brown. The Justice Department cites the "extraordinary circumstances" surrounding the death and a request by Brown's family members. Police use tear gas to clear the street that has been the scene of most protests three hours ahead of the curfew after reports of gunfire, looting and people hurling Molotov cocktails.

Aug 18: Nixon calls the National Guard to Ferguson to help restore order and lifts the curfew imposed two days earlier. A pathologist hired by the family says an independent autopsy determined that Michael Brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. A bullet wound to his right arm may indicate his hands were up or his back was turned, but the autopsy team can't be sure without more information, the pathologist said.

Aug. 19: Police fire tear gas at demonstrators.



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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
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Video shows men dressed in camouflage, carrying rifles, riding armoured vehicles around the streets of Ferguson — the small U.S. town that erupted in protests after an unarmed black teen was killed by police over the weekend.

Heavily armed police take up positions near a protest on Tuesday.
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But are they soldiers or police officers? It's hard to tell, and that's part of the problem.

The militarization of state and local police forces — now outfitted with the armoured vehicles, battering rams and flashbang grenades once reserved for troops — is a rising concern in the U.S. and a trend that experts suspect is seeping north of the border.

"We think it's one of the most alarming trends going on in American policing today," said Tim Lynch, director of the Project on Criminal Justice at the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank.

The unrest in the St. Louis suburb is just the latest example of how that militarization can play out in city streets, as heavily-equipped officers face down the members of their communities.

For several days since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, 18, on Saturday, protesters and police have clashed. Vandalism and looting broke out on Sunday after a peaceful vigil. A store was set on fire.

The next night, police responded in full riot gear. The Federal Aviation Administration briefly shut down the airspace above the suburb as a precautionary measure. 

Lynch says a more appropriate response to riots would be officers armed with batons and sidearms, not carrying rifles like an M-16 and donning the battle-zone-worthy camouflage clothing that have been seen in Ferguson.

"The police are reacting in a hostile manner, as if they are trying to intimidate the protesters by their military-type tactics," said Lynch. "The police are making a bad situation even worse."

Paul Szoldra, in a piece for Business Insider, asked "Why do these cops need MARPAT camo pants?", referring to the pattern designed for the U.S. Marine Corps, or MARine PATtern. When serving in Afghanistan as a U.S. Marine, Szoldra says they used big trucks and uniforms intended to project an image as occupiers, but asks when did this became OK on domestic soil?

'Neighbourhoods are not war zones'

The precipitous rise in the use of military tactics and equipment in the U.S. is startling.

Where once only a portion of cities had paramilitary units such as SWAT teams, now it's the majority.

Studies by Peter Kraska, a professor and chair of graduate studies in the school of justice studies at Eastern Kentucky University, show that between the mid-1980s and late 1990s, the percentage of cities of 50,000 or more, like St. Louis, with a paramilitary unit almost doubled to 89 per cent.




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Protests raged for several days in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, triggering calls for calm and questions about whether the heavily-armed police presence is exacerbating it. (Mario Anzuoni/Reuters)]/b]

Smaller cities, those serving 25-50,000 people, saw an even greater jump – a quadrupling from 20 per cent to 80 per cent.

"These trends would mean little if these teams were relatively inactive," Kraska wrote in one of his studies in 2007. "This was not the case."

Once local police forces are trained and equipped in the ways of the military, they're keen to use it.

There's been a 1,400 per cent increase in police paramilitary deployments between 1980 and 2000, Kraska found. The majority of the deployments were for drug raids in private homes, not the intended goal of a SWAT team, which is emergency situations like hostage takings and shooter scenarios where the extra weaponry might be required.

A report released two months ago on the militarization of police by the American Civil Liberties Union criticized U.S. policing for becoming "unnecessarily and dangerously militarized."

"Neighbourhoods are not war zones, and our police officers should not be treating us like wartime enemies," said the report.

ACLU examined more than 800 SWAT deployments in 2011-2012 and found that most of those deployments, 79 per cent, were to search homes, largely in drug probes.

Botched raids cost lives, money

In fact, it's the U.S. war on drugs (the phrase itself evokes the battlefield) that led local police forces down the militarized path.

The federal government has not only doled out free or cheap surplus military gear so state and local forces can fight drug crimes, it has also handed out grants to help them buy heavy weaponry.



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Police in camouflage were present in Ferguson, Mo., as crowds gathered Tuesday for a third day of protests. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)

"It was just part of the escalation of the drug war and trying to beef up forces there," said Lynch. "We saw it even before 9/11, and then 9/11 and the wars exacerbated the trend."

Fears of terrorism fuelled even more interest in bulking up local police officers, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan provided surplus machinery and equipment that the federal government was keen to sell or clear out of their warehouses.

Some local police chiefs have argued that the heavy equipment was necessary as they faced criminals with increasingly advanced weaponry.

But community members and police forces themselves have both suffered fallout from the militarization of police.

Kraska counted more than 275 botched SWAT raids on private homes., while Radley Balko, author of Rise of the Warrior Cop, said he found more than 50 cases of innocent people who died. ACLU says minorities get disproportionately targeted.

Those mishaps not only fray relations with a community, but can prove costly for small police forces as they face lawsuits or are forced to disband their SWAT teams after coming under increased scrutiny.

As one small example, in early August, the Albuquerque Police Department decided to get rid of its 20,000-kilogram Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle – the bomb-resistant mode of transport used in Iraq and Afghanistan against insurgents.

The move followed criticism about over-militarization and a fatal police shooting of a homeless man. Still, the force hasn't given up hopes of finding a more civilian-suitable replacement.

Blurred lines between military and police

It's important to distinguish between the military and police, justice experts say, and look at why it matters that the line between the two is blurring.

"The military mission is to find the enemy force and destroy it," said Lynch. "They're not thinking about the constitutional rights of the people on the other side of the battlefield."

By comparison, a police force is expected to use minimal force to bring suspects into the court of law where the dispute can be peacefully resolved.

York University professor Margaret Beare, who studies policing, says it's "the whole notion of working with communities, not against communities" that should prevail.

The Toronto-based professor worries that the militarization of police forces that's been happening in the U.S. over the past couple of decades is bound to creep into Canada.

"We seem to want to, in policing at least, to mimic the toys, the tools, the machinery that is available to police on the other side of the border," said Beare. "It doesn't seem to matter whether our crime situation is comparable at all."

The sweeping measures taken by police officers during the G20 in Toronto four years ago, including the riot gear worn, the kettling tactics employed and the mass arrests conducted, are still the subject of lawsuits wending their way through courts.

The impact, however, can stretch beyond singular events like the G20. Once police forces are armed and trained in military tactics, some fear they tend to default to them.

"It becomes part of a mindset," said Beare. "It is accepted as part of how you go about doing police work."


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Michael Brown shooting:
How Ferguson botched crowd control of protests

'Aggressive policing tactics increase aggression on the part of the protesters,' expert says

By Mark Gollom, CBC News Posted: Aug 21, 2014 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 21, 2014 10:00 AM ET



Protesters continue to fill the streets every night, throwing Molotov cocktails, rocks and bottles, only to be met by tear gas and flash grenades from police. (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Christian Gooden/Associated Press)

The inability to quell the nightly violence engulfing the streets of Ferguson is a "great training tool" for officers on how not to manage a volatile protest, says one former police chief who is among a number of security experts slamming the police for their tactics.

"It’s a terrible, terrible situation. So many things have been done wrong," said Charles Drago, a former police chief for Oviedo, Fla., a police instructor and career police officer who specializes in police practices and use of force. "Certainly not the typical standard of care for these types of activities."

"It’s going to be a great training tool for police chiefs in the future. Unfortunately, it’s sad, it really is."

Protesters continue to fill the streets every night, throwing Molotov cocktails rocks and bottles, only to be met by tear gas and flash grenades from police.

The violent protests were sparked by the death of unarmed black Missouri teen Michael Brown, who was shot by a police officer on Aug 9. The 18-year-old's death has brought to light the tense relations between Ferguson's black community and the local police department and has made it that much more difficult to resolve the crisis, law enforcement officials say.

"Obvious to everybody, there's absolutely no relationship between that community and the police department," Drago said. "So right from the get go, day one, there was no way for that community and the police department to resolve this or work through this peacefully."

With relations already frayed, police exacerbated the volatile situation with an overly aggressive response, confronting the protest crowds while garbed in military-like gear, brandishing automatic weapons and guard dogs, and setting the tone for future exchanges between the police and protesters, analysts say.

"What we've seen time and time again is that aggressive policing tactics increase aggression on the part of the protesters," said Tamara Madensen, director of the Crowd Management Research Council in the department of criminal justice at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

'It's mind-boggling to think they're even doing that'

"You saw Ferguson come out dressed in riot gear when no violence had actually occurred yet. We know that even potential police use of force, for example visible riot gear, armoured vehicles — these can instigate crowd members especially looking for a reason to engage in violence," she said.

"Here’s people peacefully demonstrating and they're watching them through the scopes of M-16s," said Drago. "It's mind-boggling to think that they're even doing that. The force that they used at the beginning is probably the most damaging."

Norm Stamper, the former police chief of Seattle, who headed the force during the 1999 WTO riots, said the aggressive military tactics used for crowd control was a "huge mistake, one for which they continue to pay the price."

"The early image of snarling German Shepherds on a leash handled by a white police officer approaching black protesters – that’s a horrific image, particularly given our history here in the states," Stamper said.

Meanwhile, deploying tear gas against the crowds has been largely ineffective, Stamper said, and it has done nothing more than provoke protesters.

"It is not working, so why are you doing it? It’s also very provocative, inflames passions," he said. "When people recover from the teary eyes and snotty noses, they’re going to come right back, and that’s what’s been happening. They're coming back with battle wounds."


Retired Lieut.-General Russel Honore, who led Task Force Katrina to restore order in New Orleans following the devastating hurricane, said officers in Ferguson looked like they were responding to a hostage situation as opposed to dealing with a civil disturbance.



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Police stand guard on Aug. 18, 2014, in Ferguson, Mo. The Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown by a police officer has touched off violent protests in Ferguson, the St. Louis suburb where police have responded with riot gear and tear gas. (Christian Gooden/The Associated Press)



He questioned the overall strategy of the police, saying it looks like they've been making it up as they go along.

"Your strategy can't be: 'We're going to bring the tear gas out, then we're going to bring the stun guns out, then we're going to point machine guns. It's not working."

Law enforcement officials have also suffered from a lack of communication and co-ordination between departments, Drago said, with Missouri State Police and Ferguson police often delivering different messages.

Release of information has been problematic

"There's still no co-ordination in terms of what’s going on in the streets and the message that's being released," Drago said.

The release of information to the public has also been problematic, Drago said.

"They wouldn't release even basic information for the family and the community becomes more distrustful. And then you release bits and pieces that appear to be for the police's own purposes, that further creates more and more issues."

Many critics have praised the move to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is black and from the Ferguson community, in charge of policing efforts, which did help defuse the situation temporarily.  But Drago said police went too far the other way in pulling back and didn't take the necessary force needed to stop the outside agitators who have hijacked the protests.

"They didn't recognize there was still a criminal element out there that was committing crimes and was going to stir things up and they need to be sure to address those issues quickly."

Shirlissa Pruitt urges protesters on West Florissant Road in Ferguson, Mo., on Aug. 20, 2014, to leave before any more arrests occur. 'I encourage you to go home now in peace. I am not telling to you to leave because we are defeated, but because we are seeking justice for Michael Brown,' she said.

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But Stamper, who has been critical of his own response to the 1999 riots in Seattle, said the true sign of failure of a police force's public safety mission is being forced to deploy the National Guard

"Having the National Guard on the streets of an American city when there's not a flood, not a fire, not a natural disaster, is once again evocative of an earlier time in our country and ugly chapters of our history," said Stamper, who brought in the National Guard to help defuse the Seattle riots.

"Its a very clear sign that you’ve lost it."
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 06:00:55 PM »
There's a reason you separate military and police.
One fights the enemies of the state,
...the other serves and protects the people.
When the military becomes both,
...then the enemies of the state tend to become the people
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 07:43:34 PM »
I'm all for holding police accountable,,,,,  but this case is retarded.

A monster dude robs a store and then attacks the office breaking his orbital, cop responds with lethal force to a dangerous assault and he's in the wrong?

More bullshit race baiting distracting and marginalizing the real police issues.

Of course 24kt takes the bait %110

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 08:02:51 PM »
I'm all for holding police accountable,,,,,  but this case is retarded.

A monster dude robs a store and then attacks the office breaking his orbital, cop responds with lethal force to a dangerous assault and he's in the wrong?

That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.

It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.

The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.

If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?

Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"

More bullshit race baiting distracting and marginalizing the real police issues.

Of course 24kt takes the bait %110

The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 09:05:55 PM »
That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.

It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.

The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.

If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?

Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"

The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.

Really. Who said it wasn't broken? Be specific.

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 09:12:01 PM »
Really. Who said it wasn't broken? Be specific.

Sorry Coach, I'm not going to pour over the countless articles I've read on it, or news reports.

Try googling. Wilson's injuries have been greatly and egregiously exaggerated.
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 09:24:15 PM »
Next time a criminal of color attacks a police officer and is shot, organize your friends on social media for a "peaceful" vigil/ protest at the local PC Richards.

To avenge his death, help yourself to anything not tied down. Also, apply the same principal to any other local merchants in the area. Starting fires, looting and engaging in violence= Best way to "take action."

To be serious for a second... I believe the answer is obvious. Police should not be allowed to carry guns, nightsticks, or engage in choke holds. Instead, all cops will be required to wear 16 oz boxing gloves at all times. If a perp attacks them, or is in the process of committing a crime, the officer must best the suspect in fistacuffs (one on one only).

This will ensure "fair" law enforcement procedures.

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 09:47:28 PM »
Sorry Coach, I'm not going to pour over the countless articles I've read on it, or news reports.

Try googling. Wilson's injuries have been greatly and egregiously exaggerated.

I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are? Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 10:23:58 PM »
I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are?
Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.


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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 10:46:31 PM »
Yes what? Elaborate

YES, ...YOU LOBOTOMIZED IDIOT!
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 11:05:39 PM »
YES, ...YOU LOBOTOMIZED IDIOT!

Typical left wingnut answer.

Translation: "I'm a racist and can't answer".

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 11:28:12 PM »
It's not like you to let the insults slide Joe. She's calling you a complete idiot.
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 11:33:11 PM »
It's not like you to let the insults slide Joe. She's calling you a complete idiot.

She needs to lay off the vodka.

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 12:19:48 AM »
She needs to lay off the vodka.

Actually, I prefer Champagne, ...but I'm stone cold sober tonight, ...perhaps a tad cynical.

ps: Glad you were able to get the playful naughtiness in my post, especially since I forgot the little emoticon
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 06:45:41 AM »
That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.

It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.

The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.

If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?

Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"

The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.
Seriously? 

This dude robbed a convenience store and assaulted an officer. Aside from what happened afterwards this is a total non-issue. Again, this is race baiting, because if this dude wasnt black and didnt pull the race card no one would have ever heard about this.

Assault an officer = dead.

Period.

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 06:54:42 AM »
What a joke.   More idiocy from the peanut gallery.  "Take action"?  Like what?  Burn a store down?  Loot some cigs and booze?   Chant Yes We Can? 


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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 07:33:18 AM »
Only demonstrates yet again the horrible priorities and misplaced concerns of the black community.  They are stuck in a way of thinking
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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 07:48:48 AM »
Only demonstrates yet again the horrible priorities and misplaced concerns of the black community.  They are stuck in a way of thinking

Yeah.  I still don't know if Brown was wrongfully shot or not.  And if Wilson wrongfully shot him he should be charged.

But i agree with this.  Why are people marching about their youth wasting their lives?  I have seen impoverished black communities take their neighborhoods back in California in a positive way.   

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 07:49:00 AM »
I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are? Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.

Treated as bad where exactly, Coach? 

You're in CA and you've mentioned before that you're not exactly a world-traveler so I'm wondering if maybe you haven't seen much of the USA.

It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that even though police abuse is hardly unheard of here in CA, it's still a lot better than in many other places in the USA. 

For example, I think it's unlikely that the shit that CA's Dan Saulmon says to cops here ("You're mistaken, Bacon") would be allowed anywhere in the South.

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Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action!
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 07:53:17 AM »
Yeah.  I still don't know if Brown was wrongfully shot or not.  And if Wilson wrongfully shot him he should be charged.

But i agree with this.  Why are people marching about their youth wasting their lives?  I have seen impoverished black communities take their neighborhoods back in California in a positive way.   

What it comes down to is active participation in improving the community, particularly by parents raising children.  All these marches do jacks-shit to improve the neighborhood.  They've been doing these marches for decades and have nothing to show for it.   All show and no go.   All flash and no substance.
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