Message from USMC to Isis

[OTHstrong]

If you were born and raised in the middle east (as a muslim) you might have a different point of view towards the U.S.

It's not very hard to think of the opposite scenario.

P.S. I fucking hate radical, muslim extremists.

well in any altercation in life both side feel they are right, its common sense but mentioning it is like saying '' ya they have a point"

[The Scott]

when you drop a nuke, there will be children on the outskirts with melted skin, broken bones and suffocating under concrete rubble for 48 hours before they die you fucken animal

I said carpet bomb, not nuke.  I suppose you took  it upon yourself to think, "Oh! Since the US nuked Japan, the Scott must mean nuke the Muslim menace!" 

Carpet bomb them like the brown Nazis they are until they either surrender to civilization or die.  Or we can do it your way.  We surrender.  If they were white, you would most likely be in favor of their demise.  Or am as incorrect as you were in your assumption? 

Let them take your family first, kiddo.  See how much you love the Brown Skin (not "Shirt") Nazis after they have their way with those you love.  What do you propose, young man?  A million muslim march on Washington to show solidarity with the Koran wavers?  I really don't think you are this stupid and are simply playing Mohammed's advocate here.}

Or not.  Your choice.  I choose freedom. 

[WalterWhite]

STFU YOU STUPID FUCK, of course take it to them you fuck head, just don't bomb the shit out of cities killing innocent children you fucken savage

They often purposely put children at risk.  My nephew was in some heavy fighting in Fallujah and he told me some of the kids they gave water and candy to during the day were firing mortars at them at night.  They don't view children the way that we do just look at where Hamas fires from and hides weapons.

Look at the American death toll in Afghanistan since Obama took office and changed the rules of engagement.  

[Shockwave]

They often purposely put children at risk.  My nephew was in some heavy fighting in Fallujah and he told me some of the kids they gave water and candy to during the day were firing mortars at them at night.  They don't view children the way that we do just look at where Hamas fires from and hides weapons.

Look at the American death toll in Afghanistan since Obama took office and changed the rules of engagement.  

Yes.

I admire OTHs moral grandstanding but his beliefs on war are rooted in the best of ideology....

He also believes we shouldnt have dropped the bombs on Japan (because it indiscriminately killed civilians and children), even though it saved untold millions more lives than it ended...

As i said, i admire his ideological purity, but its a naiive outlook on warfare, ezpecially modern warfare against religious zealots.

[WalterWhite]

Yes.

I admire OTHs moral grandstanding but his beliefs on war are rooted in the best of ideology....

He also believes we shouldnt have dropped the bombs on Japan (because it indiscriminately killed civilians and children), even though it saved untold millions more lives than it ended...

As i said, i admire his ideological purity, but its a naiive outlook on warfare, ezpecially modern warfare against religious zealots.

The enemy knows your rules of engagement and if they know you can't fire into a civilian population than they will use the civilian population as a shield.  In Somalia (Blackhawk Down) they held children and babies while firing on American soldiers. Missions to capture and kill terrorists are abandoned as soon as children are seen.

[f450]

I am with you on your view more or less but dropping bombs on civilians is not an option

in this case it is. and a valid one. Do you have a better idea? They are embedded and using women and children as human shields and we have no choice. War is atrocious it is downright disgusting what happens but when you are in it you have to do those things. Innocents will die and lots of them... ISIS is slaughtering innocents by the thousands and taunting us at the same time.

I Just dont see a way around it if we truly want to put an end to it. Yes there will be regret and pain, tons of it... but then it would be over. Those innocent women and children may not be as innocent as you think and have family fighting for the terrorists and support the cause. It is an unfortunate situation, very sad. But it is war and we being the superior military power need to crush this and crush it completely.

Militarily, America cannot be fucked with, even if the rest of the world came together, they cant match our military might. we should cut our losses and make  these guys to respect us.. they dont need to like us and have made it clear that they will kill our women and children every chance they get, we need to do the exact same thing and shut them up forever. This is disgusting. An innocent American reporter has been decapitated and the video is up for everyone to see and still we do nothing. Level the whole fucking country yesterday. Ask questions later.

Makes my heart bleed.

[SF1900]

Just send Dolph Lundrgen into the Middle East.



Maybe include these badasses

[OTHstrong]

Yes.

I admire OTHs moral grandstanding but his beliefs on war are rooted in the best of ideology....

He also believes we shouldnt have dropped the bombs on Japan (because it indiscriminately killed civilians and children), even though it saved untold millions more lives than it ended...

As i said, i admire his ideological purity, but its a naiive outlook on warfare, ezpecially modern warfare against religious zealots.

I can compromise my ideology as far accepting Hiroshima but we are not at war at the moment and whoever thinks in this day and more specifically right now its OK to savagely drop nukes at cities in the middle east is 1 million times the terrorist then the ones who did 911

Are you fucken kidding me? You are accepting dropping nukes on whole cities in populated areas with woman and children? ... and claiming nothing barbaric  

[SF1900]

I can compromise my ideology as far accepting Hiroshima but we are not at war at the moment and whoever thinks in this day and more specifically right now its OK to savagely drop nukes at cities is the middle east is 1 million times the terrorist then the ones who did 911

Are you fucken kidding me? You are accepting dropping nukes on whole cities in populated areas with woman and children? ... and claiming nothing barbaric 

I agree with you OTH. It would be barbaric to nuke whole cities. I mean, innocent children and women will die in war. That is unavoidable. It stinks. But to drop a nuke, knowing that millions of innocent people will die is going too far. We are not at that stage and I hope we never are.

[OTHstrong]

in this case it is. and a valid one. Do you have a better idea? They are embedded and using women and children as human shields and we have no choice. War is atrocious it is downright disgusting what happens but when you are in it you have to do those things. Innocents will die and lots of them... ISIS is slaughtering innocents by the thousands and taunting us at the same time.

I Just dont see a way around it if we truly want to put an end to it. Yes there will be regret and pain, tons of it... but then it would be over. Those innocent women and children may not be as innocent as you think and have family fighting for the terrorists and support the cause. It is an unfortunate situation, very sad. But it is war and we being the superior military power need to crush this and crush it completely.

Militarily, America cannot be fucked with, even if the rest of the world came together, they cant match our military might. we should cut our losses and make  these guys to respect us.. they dont need to like us and have made it clear that they will kill our women and children every chance they get, we need to do the exact same thing and shut them up forever. This is disgusting. An innocent American reporter has been decapitated and the video is up for everyone to see and still we do nothing. Level the whole fucking country yesterday. Ask questions later.

Makes my heart bleed.

yes I do have a better idea

send in all the troops, find out where the radicals are and hit them with bombs and yes civilians will die surrounding the intended targets, if they are in the way then fine, kill civilians but do not deliberately blow up cities, that is the pussy thing to do. Real men fight with other real men.

Your idea is not war it is slaughter.

Do what we did in Normandy and clean fucken house. That is a solution right there, but no, we are too much of pussies to see our soldiers die, we rather nuke cities. The real men in Normandy were willing to die before they even hit the ground in their parachutes.

[daddy8ball]

Massive, non-stop B-52 strikes are in order.

[OTHstrong]

I agree with you OTH. It would be barbaric to nuke whole cities. I mean, innocent children and women will die in war. That is unavoidable. It stinks. But to drop a nuke, knowing that millions of innocent people will die is going too far. We are not at that stage and I hope we never are.

this^^^

[Shockwave]

I can compromise my ideology as far accepting Hiroshima but we are not at war at the moment and whoever thinks in this day and more specifically right now its OK to savagely drop nukes at cities in the middle east is 1 million times the terrorist then the ones who did 911

Are you fucken kidding me? You are accepting dropping nukes on whole cities in populated areas with woman and children? ... and claiming nothing barbaric  

Never said i agreed with nuking.the middle east...

Just that its not black and white with these guys when the kids are trying to kill you.

[SF1900]

Never said i agreed with nuking.the middle east...

Just that its not black and white with these guys when the kids are trying to kill you.

It definitely makes it more difficult, considering sometimes these kids may have bombs strapped to them.

[WalterWhite]

send in all the troops, find out where the radicals are and hit them with bombs and yes civilians will die surrounding the intended targets, if they are in the way then fine, kill civilians but do not deliberately blow up cities, that is the pussy thing to do. Real men fight with other real men.
 

This was exactly my point which is now a flaw in the rules of engagement.  In no way are we in a position where nuclear weapons are needed especially since the introduction of drones. We now need to go through a chain of command if we see someone in civilian dress burying an ied or shooting from villages.  There is a YT vid showing a military vehicle being blown up because they would not approve killing the so called civilian burying the bomb.

We've already gone around in circles on ww2 and Japan but suffice it to say it was estimated the invading Allies would suffer between 1.7 and 4 million casualties in such a scenario, of whom between 400,000 and 800,000 would be dead, while Japanese casualties would have been around 5 to 10 million.  The targets were certainly military and port targets but I won't write a book.

[OTHstrong]

Never said i agreed with nuking.the middle east...

Just that its not black and white with these guys when the kids are trying to kill you.

that is what we are discussing, people say just nuke that entire region, ironically that would make us worse then the terrorist themselves

kids or not, kill anyone who is trying to kill you but don't kill who is not involved intentionally

[OTHstrong]

This was exactly my point which is now a flaw in the rules of engagement.  In no way are we in a position where nuclear weapons are needed especially since the introduction of drones. We now need to go through a chain of command if we see someone in civilian dress burying an ied or shooting from villages.  There is a YT vid showing a military vehicle being blown up because they would not approve killing the so called civilian burying the bomb.

We've already gone around in circles on ww2 and Japan but suffice it to say it was estimated the invading Allies would suffer between 1.7 and 4 million casualties in such a scenario, of whom between 400,000 and 800,000 would be dead, while Japanese casualties would have been around 5 to 10 million.  The targets were certainly military and port targets but I won't write a book.

what a shame, can't kill a guy burying a bomb, wtf

[Shockwave]

what a shame, can't kill a guy burying a bomb, wtf

Its absolutely true. In haditha, iraq, a tea! Of Marines watched a bomb maker blow up other Marines day after day, but couldn't get the approval to go in and take him out. After enough Marines died, they freaked out and went roque, killing everyone in the bombers house, women, children, kicked the cat and punted the dog....

They're all in jail for murder now. This guy blew up dozens of Marines and when they finally took matter into their own hands, shit gotnout of control and all of their lives are ruined.

The ROE is bullshit, politicians are ruining our ability to wage war, they don't want to win, they want PR stunts to get them re elected with no blood or actual violence.

It winds up getting more people killed... If they just let us fight, we know right from wrong, were not going to rape and murder innocents... But making us right with one hand tied to our balls makes warfighters crazy, and they do wind up doing crazy things in order to survive the insanity that is the modern "PC" battlefield where politicians dictate when it is and isn't acceptable to kill someone who is trying to kill you.

[WalterWhite]

what a shame, can't kill a guy burying a bomb, wtf

It's criminal and why we have a high US death toll in Afghanistan and are always bogged down. My UK military brothers have had to deal with the same BS. No US/UK soldier wants to kill a civilian in the first place, however, we can't hand the enemy an advantage. Once we show we will shoot though they abandon the strategy or use it as propaganda. Propaganda is easily refuted since we record many battles/bomb drops with drones and planes.

Another example of political correctness.

[Parker]

Its absolutely true. In haditha, iraq, a tea! Of Marines watched a bomb maker blow up other Marines day after day, but couldn't get the approval to go in and take him out. After enough Marines died, they freaked out and went roque, killing everyone in the bombers house, women, children, kicked the cat and punted the dog....

They're all in jail for murder now. This guy blew up dozens of Marines and when they finally took matter into their own hands, shit gotnout of control and all of their lives are ruined.

The ROE is bullshit, politicians are ruining our ability to wage war, they don't want to win, they want PR stunts to get them re elected with no blood or actual violence.

It winds up getting more people killed... If they just let us fight, we know right from wrong, were not going to rape and murder innocents... But making us right with one hand tied to our balls makes warfighters crazy, and they do wind up doing crazy things in order to survive the insanity that is the modern "PC" battlefield where politicians dictate when it is and isn't acceptable to kill someone who is trying to kill you.

PC culture infects everything. You cannot have a war (meaning dead bodies) without human casualities, without blood. And since pics and video go viral now, there is the war of images---war has and always will be ugly. What PC culture does is try to distill the "bad" part of war, when you cannot. And then the politicians want to either seem victorious, but at the same time understanding and empathic to the other side. When you are trying to kill someone or they are trying to kill you, the time for being nice and politically correct has passed.
I agree with your post.

[OTHstrong]

I agree as well, can not win and be politically correct, not possible.

[George Whorewell]

I salute the brave men and women in uniform. I hope our evil, corrupt government let's them fight (for real this time) against the disgusting subhuman desert filth attempting to provoke us.

[The Scott]

Some here have the testicular fortitude of eunuchs.  You are either at war to win or at the end of your rope and hanging yourself.

I don't pity those that castrate themselves in the name of political correctness.   Screw that.

[f450]

yes I do have a better idea

send in all the troops, find out where the radicals are and hit them with bombs and yes civilians will die surrounding the intended targets, if they are in the way then fine, kill civilians but do not deliberately blow up cities, that is the pussy thing to do. Real men fight with other real men.

Your idea is not war it is slaughter.

Do what we did in Normandy and clean fucken house. That is a solution right there, but no, we are too much of pussies to see our soldiers die, we rather nuke cities. The real men in Normandy were willing to die before they even hit the ground in their parachutes.

I disagree with putting even one more American life in danger. These guys are not fighting fair. Like I said earlier and I admit its dastardly. Level the area where the drones show them to  be without regard for collateral. Rinse repeat till everything is dead.  Staying alive is not being a pussy.Fucking with a superior nation and hiding behind women and children is. You dont fuck with a superior military power and if you are an indigenous population , You best not let those terrorist into your country. If they are homegrown then the whole country is an acceptable target.

We can send the troops in after the bombing is done to exterminate whatever enemy fighters are left.

[Voice of Doom]

I disagree with putting even one more American life in danger. These guys are not fighting fair. Like I said earlier and I admit its dastardly. Level the area where the drones show them to  be without regard for collateral. Rinse repeat till everything is dead.  Staying alive is not being a pussy.Fucking with a superior nation and hiding behind women and children is. You dont fuck with a superior military power and if you are an indigenous population , You best not let those terrorist into your country. If they are homegrown then the whole country is an acceptable target.

We can send the troops in after the bombing is done to exterminate whatever enemy fighters are left.

Vietnam. Look it up.