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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #150 on: August 13, 2015, 03:38:21 PM »
you sound like the type of guy rooting for the patriots tonight, amirite?  Can always see your type a mile away.

You sound like a troll.  Am I right? 

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #151 on: August 13, 2015, 03:55:09 PM »
You sound like a troll.  Am I right? 

A US president was supposed to renege on a deal made by the former president.

If this a feeling you had?  A dream or something?   Maybe you read it on a potato chip, or "potatoe" [sic] chip as you Clinton voters like to spell it, obviously mocking Bush's VP choice.

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #152 on: August 13, 2015, 03:59:13 PM »
A US president was supposed to renege on a deal made by the former president.

If this a feeling you had?  A dream or something?   Maybe you read it on a potato chip, or "potatoe" [sic] chip as you Clinton voters like to spell it, obviously mocking Bush's VP choice.

No you got it all wrong.  A U.S. president was supposed to be in Paraguay hiding from prosecution for conspiring with foreign terrorist to attack us on 9/11.  Get your facts straight.   >:(

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #153 on: August 13, 2015, 05:17:04 PM »
No you got it all wrong.

why are you attacking me, instead of providing a link to prove your conspiracy theory that a US pres was "supposed" to undermine an agreement made by a previous president?

Easier to deliver a personal attack than provide facts, I get it. 

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #154 on: August 28, 2015, 12:47:14 PM »
08.26.15
Spies: Obama’s Brass Pressured Us to Downplay ISIS Threat

U.S. intelligence analysts keep saying that the American-led campaign against ISIS isn’t going so well. Their bosses keep telling them to think again about those conclusions.

Senior military and intelligence officials have inappropriately pressured U.S. terrorism analysts to alter their assessments about the strength of the self-proclaimed Islamic State, three sources familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast. Analysts have been pushed to portray the group as weaker than the analysts believe it actually is, according to these sources, and to paint an overly rosy a picture about how well the U.S.-led effort to defeat the group is going,

Reports that have been deemed too pessimistic about the efficacy of the American-led campaign, or that have questioned whether a U.S.-trained Iraqi military can ultimately defeat ISIS, have been sent back down through the chain of command or haven’t been shared with senior policymakers, several analysts alleged.

In other instances, authors of such reports said they understood that their conclusions should fall within a certain spectrum. As a result, they self-censored their own views, they said, because they felt pressure to not reach conclusions far outside what those above them apparently believed.

“The phrase I use is the politicization of the intelligence community,” retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told The Daily Beast when describing what he sees as a concerted push in government over the past several months to find information that tells a preferred story about efforts to defeat ISIS and other extremist groups, including al Qaeda. “That’s here. And it’s dangerous,” Flynn said.

At U.S. Central Command, which is in charge of airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, analysts have been frustrated for months that as their reports make their way up the chain, senior officers change them to adhere more closely to the administration’s line. Three U.S. officials and analysts spoke to The Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal matters.

The analysts said it was unclear who was leading the pressure to adjust their assessments, which more than one referred to as “spinning.” Some called it a result of a climate of the culture their commanders create. How such reports travel from CENTCOM headquarters to the senior reaches of the government and the military, and who reads them along the way, varies. Some reports go directly to the White House. More often, they go through several internal organizations and checks to determine what information is most useful to top officials.

“The phrase I use is the politicization of the intelligence community. That’s here. And it’s dangerous.”

Two defense officials said that some felt the commander for intelligence at CENTCOM failed to keep political pressures from Washington from bearing on lower-level analysts at command headquarters in Tampa, Florida. That pressure, while described as subtle and not overt, is nevertheless clear, the analysts said: Assessments on ISIS should comport with “the leadership consensus,” that is, top policymakers’ view, that the U.S.-led campaign against the group is paying dividends.

A process has developed, these individuals said, by which officials from the Defense Intelligence Agency, as well as the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, are trying to achieve something close to consensus among the several intelligence agencies that weigh in on the threat of ISIS and the U.S. efforts against it.

The CENTCOM analysts say they’ve concluded that the campaign isn’t going well, but that the senior officials want all reports on ISIS to see “eye to eye” and to avoid analyses that reach widely different conclusions.

“I think it comes from the seniors that interact with the policy folks [meaning senior administration officials] and it filters its way down,” one of the analysts said.

In the past, the CENTCOM intelligence commander buffered the analysts from outside pressure but in the last two years that protection has been less reliable, the official said.

“You get this pressure. It’s a very subtle approach but it is effective,” he said.

CENTCOM declined to comment about the specific charge of pressure put on analysts. Similar concerns have reportedly been raised within the Defense Intelligence Agency, which provides analysis both for military commanders and civilian leaders.

The Defense Department’s Inspector General is investigating allegations that military officials “have skewed intelligence assessments” about the anti-ISIS campaign, The New York Times reported on Tuesday. A complaint was lodged with the Inspector General by at least one civilian analyst at the agency, who claimed that CENTCOM officials were “reworking the conclusions of intelligence assessments” prepared for senior leaders, including President Obama, the Times reported.

“I’m not surprised by this investigation,” Flynn said. He noted that senior military and Obama administration officials have been too optimistic in their public assessments about how the war against ISIS is faring.

While Flynn noted that he had no particular information about the current Inspector General investigation—which multiple sources confirmed is active—he said that only very senior officials would have the power to change intelligence assessments or lead them to be altered from their original form.

DIA analysis on extremist groups in the Middle East and North Africa has “typically been more hard hitting” and has not tried to paint a preferred picture about how the fight is going against ISIS and al Qaeda, Flynn said.

“It’s not trying to sugar-coat and give you a lot of ‘maybes’ and ‘probably,’” Flynn said. “It’s, ‘Here’s what we believe.’”

Current analysts said that there’s a tendency in some reporting to leave a sort of escape clause, that while the current efforts to defeat ISIS are going well, they could be set back at any moment. That kind of hedging appears designed to protect senior officials from subsequent accusations that they underestimated ISIS’s strength, while at the same time allowing them to say that the group is on the ropes.

Separate from analysts’ complaints, there have been signs within the military and the Pentagon that different groups of analysts were reaching different conclusions. In public statements and testimony, Army General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has been notably less optimistic about developments in the war against ISIS than senior members of the Obama administration have been.

The process of coordinating intelligence assessments is supposed to take into account the different views of the more than a dozen individual agencies that might weigh in on a particular topic. In the wake of a 2002 National Intelligence Estimate that concluded Iraq had an active weapons of mass destruction program—when it didn’t—and that formed the basis for the U.S. invasion, the intelligence agencies are supposed to emphasize competing views, particularly when one or a few agencies reach a conclusion that is at odds with the prevailing view.

The intelligence community “routinely produces a wide range of subjective assessments related to the current security environment,” CENTCOM spokesman Colonel Patrick Ryder told The Daily Beast, in response to questions about the IG report. “Prior to publication, it is customary for the IC [intelligence community] to coordinate these intelligence assessments. More specifically, members of the IC are typically provided an opportunity to comment on draft assessments.”

But it’s ultimately up to the “primary agency” that wrote the initial report as to whether it will “incorporate recommended changes or additions,” Ryder said. “Further, the multi-source nature of our assessment process purposely guards against any single report or opinion unduly influencing leaders and decision-makers.”

How precisely one report could influence a senior leader, of course, is a highly subjective matter. Top leaders consider different assessments during planning and decision-making, along with insights “provided by subordinate commanders and other key advisers,” Ryder said.

This isn’t the first time analysts have alleged that their terrorism reporting was skewed for political purposes.

“Whether al Qaeda was destroyed or no longer a factor—we were told to cease and desist that kind of analysis” following the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, retired Army Colonel Derek Harvey, a former senior intelligence official at DIA, told The Daily Beast.

“Al Qaeda core was declared all but dead by the Obama administration,” Harvey said. But based on material found in documents that U.S. forces retrieved from bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan, “the organization in our view was more diverse and stronger in many ways than it had ever been before, despite al Qaeda core being hit hard.”

In the years following the raid, it became clearer that al Qaeda maintained the ambition and the capacity to threaten attacks inside the United States. Intelligence officials now say that al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen and a group of fighters dispatched to Syria last year have sought to smuggle explosive devices that can’t be detected by airline security systems onto commercial passenger jets.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/26/spies-obama-s-brass-pressured-us-to-downplay-isis-threat.html

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #155 on: September 16, 2015, 01:57:13 PM »
Commander admits size of US-trained Syrian fighting force at ‘4 or 5’
Published September 16, 2015
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The top U.S. military commander for the Middle East admitted Wednesday that only "four or five" U.S.-trained fighters remain on the battlefield in Syria, leading to accusations from lawmakers that the program is a "joke" and "total failure."

Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of the U.S. Central Command, addressed the state of the so-called "train and equip" mission in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The original goal for the first year was to train roughly 5,400 fighters to take on the Islamic State. But the first group of 54 U.S.-trained fighters was attacked by a Syrian affiliate of Al Qaeda, which killed and captured several of them and sent others fleeing.

For the first time Wednesday, the U.S. military acknowledged hardly any remain.

"It's a small number. The ones that are in the fight ... we're talking four or five," Austin told lawmakers, admitting the military will not reach its training goal this year.

The admission inflamed criticism that's been simmering for months.

While more Syrians are in training, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., suggested it may be time for a new plan. And she challenged the Pentagon's request for $600 million for more training next year.

"We're counting on our fingers and toes at this point," she said of the trained fighters.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., suggested the Pentagon shift to supporting other countries operating in the region like Turkey.

"This four or five U.S.-trained fighters -- let's not kid ourselves, that's a joke," she said.

The witnesses acknowledged the shortcomings with the program but suggested it is salvageable.

"They will figure out a way to get the job done one way or the other," Austin said of U.S. trainers.

Christine Wormuth, under secretary of defense for policy, said the mission is part of a "broader effort" and those getting training can be "force multipliers" for other groups on the ground.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., though, said: "We have to acknowledge this was a total failure. ... I wish it weren't so, but that's a fact."

The congressional criticism of the training mission made up just part of the severe concerns lawmakers voiced about the state of the anti-ISIS fight. They grilled Austin and Wormuth about the growing refugee crisis in Europe stoked by unrest in Syria; the Russian military build-up in Syria in support of the Assad regime; and allegations that intelligence on ISIS and other militant groups in Syria was manipulated to exaggerate progress being made against them.

On the latter charge, Austin vowed Wednesday to take "appropriate action" if an investigation indicates that senior defense officials altered intelligence reports.

A Defense Department inspector general began an investigation into the matter after an intelligence officer at the Central Command lodged a complaint in July. In his first remarks about the allegations, Austin said he welcomed the inspector general's investigation, but that he could not comment directly until the review was over.

Committee members expressed concern.

"Published media reports suggest that the CIA's estimate of ISIL's manpower has remained constant, despite U.S. airstrikes -- which suggests that either they were wrong to begin with, or that ISIL is replacing its losses in real time. Neither is good," said committee Chairman Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

"Indeed, this committee is disturbed by recent whistleblower allegations that officials at Central Command skewed intelligence assessments to paint an overly-positive picture of conditions on the ground," McCain said.

The Daily Beast reported several dozen intelligence analysts at Central Command, which oversees the war effort, have formally complained that their reports on ISIS and Al Qaeda's branch in Syria were being inappropriately altered by senior officials.

McCain had some of the toughest criticism for Wormuth and Austin, who claimed the Islamic State's future is "dim."

"I have never seen a hearing that is more divorced from reality by outside experts," McCain said, calling the anti-ISIS effort an "abject failure."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/16/commander-admits-size-us-trained-anti-isis-fighting-force-at-4-or-5/?intcmp=hpbt1

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #156 on: September 28, 2015, 05:25:01 PM »
Let's see if the president actually learned from his Iraq mistake. 

US reportedly considers leaving thousands of troops in Afghanistan beyond 2016
Published September 25, 2015
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Sept. 11, 2015: Commander of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), Gen. John Campbell, speaks during a memorial ceremony on the fourteenth anniversary of the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United States at the headquarters of the International Security Assistance Force, in Kabul, Afghanistan. (AP Photo/Rahmat Gul)

Military officials reportedly are considering keeping thousands of American troops in Afghanistan beyond the end of next year, in what would be a departure from current plans to leave only a small force of a few hundred troops behind.

The Wall Street Journal reported late Thursday that Army Gen. John Campbell, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, has submitted five different recommendations for allied troop levels to the Pentagon and NATO officials in Brussels. The paper reported that the options include keeping the U.S. presence at or near 10,000 troops; reducing the number to 8,000; or continuing with the current drawdown plans.

The paper reported that the Pentagon so far has not made a formal recommendation to the White House on any changes in the troop presence, though one is expected in the coming days.

This past March, President Barack Obama announced that the U.S. would keep 9,800 troops in Afghanistan through the end of this year in response to a request by Afghan President Ashraf Ghani The original plan called for a reduction to 5,500 troops by the end of 2015.

"Afghanistan remains a very dangerous place," Obama said at the time in explaining his decision. The president had previously pledged to leave only a small force in Afghanistan that could be based at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul by the time he left office.

NATO and the U.S. currently have a combined force of about 13,000 in Afghanistan, mostly engaged in training and support following the end of the combat mission last year. However, the Journal reports that some officials worry that too large a troop reduction could increase the pressure on Afghanistan's fledgling government from the Taliban and other militant groups, including those claiming loyalty to ISIS.

Indeed, some officials believe that the Iraqi army would have been able to fight off ISIS' surprise offensive in the summer of 2014 if the U.S. had kept several thousand advisers in Baghdad. One senior military official told the Journal that current drawdown plans raise the risk of Afghanistan's collapse to an "unacceptable level."

However, others believe that it is U.S. funding, not U.S. troops that are the key to Afghan stability and believe the U.S. could go ahead with the withdrawal plans already in place.

Any U.S. decision on troop levels would be closely watched by NATO, with some allied officials saying that a larger American presence would enable them to keep their current troop levels and keep several military bases operating around the country. Unlike the U.S., NATO has never publicly committed to any timeline for troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

"There are 30-plus countries ready to contribute; the question is how big the U.S. will be," one NATO official told the Journal. "Enablers give others confidence that if they get in a real pinch, the U.S. will be able to help them out. Will the U.S. provide the backbone around which NATO brings 30 more countries?"

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #157 on: September 28, 2015, 06:42:38 PM »
Afghanistan is a lost cause.....time to leave....the afghans just aren't going to fight the Taliban......we need to leave....

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« Reply #158 on: September 28, 2015, 06:49:02 PM »
Afghanistan is a lost cause.....time to leave....the afghans just aren't going to fight the Taliban......we need to leave....

Just like Iraq.  That ended well. 

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« Reply #159 on: September 28, 2015, 10:32:19 PM »
Let's see if the president actually learned from his Iraq mistake. 

His iraq mistake was sticking to the Bush agreement.

Oh,. but imaginary fairies said he was secretly supposed to change it, right?

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« Reply #160 on: September 29, 2015, 12:54:08 PM »
His iraq mistake was sticking to the Bush agreement.

Oh,. but imaginary fairies said he was secretly supposed to change it, right?


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« Reply #161 on: September 29, 2015, 01:16:06 PM »
Just like Iraq.  That ended well. 

At least I'm taking a stand, fencesitter.

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« Reply #162 on: September 29, 2015, 01:18:00 PM »
Commander admits size of US-trained Syrian fighting force at ‘4 or 5’
Published September 16, 2015
FoxNews.com

The top U.S. military commander for the Middle East admitted Wednesday that only "four or five" U.S.-trained fighters remain on the battlefield in Syria, leading to accusations from lawmakers that the program is a "joke" and "total failure."

Gen. Lloyd Austin, commander of the U.S. Central Command, addressed the state of the so-called "train and equip" mission in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The original goal for the first year was to train roughly 5,400 fighters to take on the Islamic State. But the first group of 54 U.S.-trained fighters was attacked by a Syrian affiliate of Al Qaeda, which killed and captured several of them and sent others fleeing.

For the first time Wednesday, the U.S. military acknowledged hardly any remain.

"It's a small number. The ones that are in the fight ... we're talking four or five," Austin told lawmakers, admitting the military will not reach its training goal this year.

The admission inflamed criticism that's been simmering for months.

While more Syrians are in training, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., suggested it may be time for a new plan. And she challenged the Pentagon's request for $600 million for more training next year.

"We're counting on our fingers and toes at this point," she said of the trained fighters.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., suggested the Pentagon shift to supporting other countries operating in the region like Turkey.

"This four or five U.S.-trained fighters -- let's not kid ourselves, that's a joke," she said.

The witnesses acknowledged the shortcomings with the program but suggested it is salvageable.

"They will figure out a way to get the job done one way or the other," Austin said of U.S. trainers.

Christine Wormuth, under secretary of defense for policy, said the mission is part of a "broader effort" and those getting training can be "force multipliers" for other groups on the ground.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., though, said: "We have to acknowledge this was a total failure. ... I wish it weren't so, but that's a fact."

The congressional criticism of the training mission made up just part of the severe concerns lawmakers voiced about the state of the anti-ISIS fight. They grilled Austin and Wormuth about the growing refugee crisis in Europe stoked by unrest in Syria; the Russian military build-up in Syria in support of the Assad regime; and allegations that intelligence on ISIS and other militant groups in Syria was manipulated to exaggerate progress being made against them.

On the latter charge, Austin vowed Wednesday to take "appropriate action" if an investigation indicates that senior defense officials altered intelligence reports.

A Defense Department inspector general began an investigation into the matter after an intelligence officer at the Central Command lodged a complaint in July. In his first remarks about the allegations, Austin said he welcomed the inspector general's investigation, but that he could not comment directly until the review was over.

Committee members expressed concern.

"Published media reports suggest that the CIA's estimate of ISIL's manpower has remained constant, despite U.S. airstrikes -- which suggests that either they were wrong to begin with, or that ISIL is replacing its losses in real time. Neither is good," said committee Chairman Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

"Indeed, this committee is disturbed by recent whistleblower allegations that officials at Central Command skewed intelligence assessments to paint an overly-positive picture of conditions on the ground," McCain said.

The Daily Beast reported several dozen intelligence analysts at Central Command, which oversees the war effort, have formally complained that their reports on ISIS and Al Qaeda's branch in Syria were being inappropriately altered by senior officials.

McCain had some of the toughest criticism for Wormuth and Austin, who claimed the Islamic State's future is "dim."

"I have never seen a hearing that is more divorced from reality by outside experts," McCain said, calling the anti-ISIS effort an "abject failure."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/16/commander-admits-size-us-trained-anti-isis-fighting-force-at-4-or-5/?intcmp=hpbt1

whats your point?...the intelligence community is ALWAYS WRONG ANY WAY....I see nothing wrong with pushing back against thier version of events...its how you come to a proper consensus

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #163 on: September 29, 2015, 01:20:58 PM »
At least I'm taking a stand, fencesitter.

Your stand is not supported by history. 

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« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2015, 01:21:42 PM »
whats your point?...the intelligence community is ALWAYS WRONG ANY WAY....I see nothing wrong with pushing back against thier version of events...its how you come to a proper consensus

The point of the story is obvious:  we spent millions to train about 4 soldiers.  An abject failure. 

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« Reply #165 on: September 29, 2015, 01:25:08 PM »
Your stand is not supported by history. 

Actually it is.......better to get out than to stay in a protracted war in which your troops become cannon fodder....the other side will win anyway if you don't TOTALLY occupy the country...since we are not going to do that....better to leave...we can't keep spilling blood and treasure..we're broke and our military needs rest....

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« Reply #166 on: September 29, 2015, 01:26:58 PM »
The point of the story is obvious:  we spent millions to train about 4 soldiers.  An abject failure. 
oh I agree with the abject failure part,,....Obama get a ding for that, no question.....

but in terms of intelligence, we have been consistently wrong about almost all things....nothign wrong with looking at their reports and challenging them

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« Reply #167 on: September 29, 2015, 02:18:50 PM »
Actually it is.......better to get out than to stay in a protracted war in which your troops become cannon fodder....the other side will win anyway if you don't TOTALLY occupy the country...since we are not going to do that....better to leave...we can't keep spilling blood and treasure..we're broke and our military needs rest....

History does not support you.  We got out of Iraq and ISIS then overran the country.  Same thing will happen if we completely pull out of Afghanistan.  Don't forget that Bid Laden used that country as a terrorist training ground leading up to 9/11.

I'd love for us to leave that entire region, but that's not reality.  

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« Reply #168 on: September 29, 2015, 02:49:10 PM »
History does not support you.  We got out of Iraq and ISIS then overran the country.  Same thing will happen if we completely pull out of Afghanistan.  Don't forget that Bid Laden used that country as a terrorist training ground leading up to 9/11.

I'd love for us to leave that entire region, but that's not reality.  

you don't get what i'm saying.....history says that almost every single time that we leave, the country collapses anyway.....UNLESS we totally subjugate the country like we did with Japan, Germany, etc......we are not going to do that in this day and age....so....better to get out and spare us lives and treasure..the rest of the world doesn't have an appetite for nation building...so why should we be the army for Russia and China, who do ABSOLUTELY NOITHING

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #169 on: September 29, 2015, 02:56:30 PM »
you don't get what i'm saying.....history says that almost every single time that we leave, the country collapses anyway.....UNLESS we totally subjugate the country like we did with Japan, Germany, etc......we are not going to do that in this day and age....so....better to get out and spare us lives and treasure..the rest of the world doesn't have an appetite for nation building...so why should we be the army for Russia and China, who do ABSOLUTELY NOITHING

I get what you are saying.  I am saying you are wrong. 

We left a stabilizing force behind in Germany after WWII.  We still have forces in Germany, decades later. 

We left behind a stabilizing force in North Korea.  We still have a division at the South/North Korean border, decades later. 

We completely pulled out of Iraq and chaos ensued, which could have a detrimental impact on our national security.  We are likely going to send troops back into Iraq.  That's the lesson I hope the president has learned when it comes to Afghanistan. 

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #170 on: September 29, 2015, 04:52:19 PM »
Obama was just following the Bush agreement.   Tough to hate on him for doing what repubs wanted.

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« Reply #171 on: September 29, 2015, 06:46:09 PM »
Obama was just following the Bush agreement.   Tough to hate on him for doing what repubs wanted.

Agreed....but unfortunately his hate for Obama is so strong he has lost perspective

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #172 on: September 29, 2015, 08:46:35 PM »
Agreed....but unfortunately his hate for Obama is so strong he has lost perspective

maybe he should stop crying about the neighbor's lawn (dems), and think about his own lawn (repubs).

the GOP field looks like Navy Mike's front yard. 

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Re: Obama's War(s)
« Reply #173 on: October 15, 2015, 03:18:26 PM »
I have to say I am glad he apparently learned a lesson from Iraq. 

Obama again delays Afghanistan troop drawdown
By Jim Acosta and Jeremy Diamond, CNN
Thu October 15, 2015

"While America's combat mission in Afghanistan may be over, our commitment to Afghanistan and and its people endures," Obama said from the Roosevelt Room. "As commander in chief, I will not allow Afghanistan to be used as a safe haven for terrorists to attack our nation again."

Obama stressed that the decision to maintain 9,800 troops in Afghanistan until late 2016 came after months of discussions with Afghanistan's president, Ashraf Ghani, and the nation's chief executive officer, Abdullah Abdullah -- a nod to the fact that the U.S. is maintaining a presence in the country with the support of its leaders, unlike in Iraq, where the Obama administration could not reach an agreement with the Iraqi government on leaving a residual military force.

Ghani released a statement on Thursday afternoon welcoming Obama's announcement.

"The decision to maintain the current level of the United States' forces in Afghanistan once again shows renewal of the partnership and strengthening of relations of the United States with Afghanistan on the basis of common interests and risks," he said.

NATO also welcomed the move, saying in a statement that it "paves the way for a sustained presence" in Afghanistan for the organization and its allies.

Obama also noted that he had consulted with U.S. military commanders on the ground in Afghanistan as well as his entire national security team before deciding to maintain the current troop level.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest later told reporters that Obama chose to go with the Pentagon's greatest suggested number of troops.

"The highest recommendation that came into the President was the level that the President announced today," he said.

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said in a news conference Thursday that while the fight in Afghanistan "remains a difficult fight," the adjusted force numbers will ensure that the U.S. can carry out its mission and help Afghans confront the continued challenge posed by the Taliban.

"Today's decision from the president to adjust our troop presence in Afghanistan honors that sacrifice (of U.S. troops) and gives us a chance to finish what we started," Carter said at the Pentagon.

The decision comes on the heels of recent Taliban gains in Afghanistan, notably the militant group's takeover of Kunduz, the first major city to fall to Taliban hands since 2001. Two weeks later, the Taliban pulled out of the city -- but the incident sent ripples through Afghanistan and shook Washington.

Obama noted as much when he said that while Afghan forces are "taking the lead" and fighting "bravely and tenaciously," those forces "are still not as strong as they need to be."

The U.S. plan is to now maintain 5,500 U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan after a drawdown set to take place in late 2016 or early 2017, more than five times the number of troops previously set to remain in the country at the start of 2017. Only about 1,000 troops had previously been set to remain in Afghanistan at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.

Obama said the 5,500 troops post-drawdown would be based at the U.S. embassy and at military bases in Baghram, Jalalabad and Kandahar.

Carter said the Pentagon viewed that figure as "enough" to sustain the U.S. mission and accomplish the two-pronged goal of assisting the Afghan security forces and carrying out counterterror missions.

Though the decision clearly was a break from the game plan he had laid out and pitched to the American public, on Thursday he downplayed any suggestion that the delay in the withdrawal was a major setback.

Obama said the decision was not "disappointing" and said his mission has consistently been to "assess the situation on the ground" and make adjustments as necessary.

"This is not the first time those adjustments have been made," Obama said. "This won't probably be the last."

While Obama highlighted the sacrifices of the Afghan people and American forces who have circulated in and out of the war-torn country for more than 14 years of U.S. operations, Obama stressed that casualties are down overall and that U.S. troops will not be heading back into combat.

"The nature of the mission has not changed and the cessation of our combat role has not changed," Obama said.

Still, speaking to the American service members who will need to deploy to Afghanistan, he said: "I do not send you into harm's way lightly."

This is the second draw-down delay announced by Obama this year. In March, Obama said he planned to reduce U.S. forces in Afghanistan 5,500 U.S. military personnel by the end of this year, and then to an "embassy-only" presence by the end of 2016.

"The timeline for a withdrawal down to a embassy center presence, a normalization of our presence in Afghanistan, remains the end of 2016," Obama said in a joint press conference with Ghani last March.

Administration officials stressed U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan would continue to serve under two missions -- to root out remnants of al Qaeda as well as train and equip Afghan security forces. U.S. forces could also conduct counterterrorism operations against elements of ISIS in Afghanistan, should the group present a threat to the U.S. homeland, senior administration officials added.

The original White House goal was to hand over the counterterrorism side of the U.S. mission to Afghan security forces this year.

"It's in our interest to build up the Afghan security forces," said a senior administration official.

The estimated annual cost of maintaining current U.S. force levels in Afghanistan is $14.6 billion, a separate senior administration official said.

Obama had previously vowed to conclude the U.S. commitment in Afghanistan before he leaving office.

"We will bring America's longest war to a responsible end," Obama said at a Rose Garden ceremony in May 2014.

Retired Lt. Col. Rick Francona, a CNN military analyst and former intelligence officer, said Obama's decision is simply "kicking this can down the road" for the next president. Obama will be out of office by the time troops are set to be drawn down again.

"This is this administration pushing this off to the next administration because the next time they have to make this decision, it will be a different president in the White House," Francona said.

Republicans who have been seeking higher U.S. troop commitments gave a lukewarm response to Obama's announcement Thursday.

"While this new plan avoids a disaster, it is certainly not a plan for success," House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry said in a statement. "Given the troubling conditions on the ground in Afghanistan and the other security problems in the region, keeping 9,800 troops there through at least 2016 is necessary to our security interests."

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Obama weighs sending US troops near front lines in ISIS fight, plans more airstrikes
Published October 27, 2015
FoxNews.com

The Obama administration is weighing moving U.S. troops closer to the front lines in Iraq and Syria while preparing to "intensify" the air campaign against the Islamic State, officials said Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Ash Carter testified on Capitol Hill Tuesday that the military plans a "higher and heavier rate of strikes" against ISIS targets.

Separately, a senior U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that President Obama is considering proposals to move U.S. troops closer to the front lines in the fight. The Washington Post first reported that national security advisers are proposing putting a limited number of Special Operations forces in Syria, and U.S. advisers closer to the fight in Iraq.

The changes would need approval from Obama, but the plans reflect an effort to recharge the campaign against ISIS -- particularly after a U.S. train-and-equip program to help Syrian rebels was effectively ended.

"The end state is to defeat ISIL," Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford, Jr., testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, acknowledging: "No one is satisfied with our progress to date."

At the same hearing, Carter described a changing approach to the fight against the Islamic State, focusing largely on Raqqa, the Islamic State-declared capital in Syria, and Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province in western Iraq.

Carter said the U.S. would intensify the air campaign against the Islamic State with additional U.S. and coalition aircraft and heavier airstrikes. His testimony came as Russia is conducting its own airstrikes in Syria, saying it aims to help the Syrian government defeat the Islamic State and other terrorists.

The U.S.-led effort "will include more strikes against IS high-value targets as our intelligence improves, and also its oil enterprise, which is a critical pillar of IS's financial infrastructure," he said.

Carter said to keep up the pressure on Raqqa, the U.S. will support moderate Syrian forces, who have made territorial gains against the Islamic State near that city.

"Some of them are within 30 miles of Raqqa today," he said.

He said the U.S. also hopes to better equip Arab forces battling the Islamic State and to further bolster Jordan, a neighbor of Iraq and Syria which is flying missions as part of the anti-IS coalition.

Carter said he was disappointed that the U.S. effort to form new moderate Syrian rebel forces to fight ISIS had failed. He said the new approach is to work with vetted leaders of groups that are already fighting the militants and also give them equipment and training and help support them with U.S. air power.

The military leaders faced tough criticism Tuesday from committee Chairman Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who said "killing" the earlier training program is "destroying what little trust our Syrian partners have left in us to say nothing of allies like Turkey and Jordan that invested their own money and prestige in the program."   

He added, "We're still not providing sufficient support to Sunni tribes which are the center of gravity in this fight."

The new strategy would include helping the Iraqi government's effort to assemble Iraqi forces, including Sunni fighters, to fight Islamic State militants in Anbar province. Carter said that as the U.S. sees more progress in assembling motivated Iraqi forces, it will be willing to continue providing more equipment and fire support to help them succeed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/27/obama-weighs-sending-us-troops-near-front-lines-in-isis-fight-plans-more/?intcmp=hpbt1