JFK Assassination - Dealey Plaza

[Shockwave]

Arguing with me will not solve your dilemma, you need to open your mind, examine ALL the evidence and re-evaluate it for yourself.  You clearly have not done this.

The problem is youve closed your mind to anything that supports the official stories.

Thats what im seeing.

[Mr Anabolic]

Have you ever hit anything?

Ad homonyms will not work with me.  

Your mind is closed tight.... it's not your fault.

[Simple Simon]

His head/body moved back and to the left when he's hit.  That kill shot came from the front right.

If he been hit from behind, his head would have moved forward at the point of impact.

I thought you said you understood balistics?

Jeez, you havent even examined the basics.

[Simple Simon]

Ad homonyms will not work with me.  

Your mind is closed tight.... it's not your fault.

I suppose I am a "sheeple" as well.   

[Mr Anabolic]

The problem is youve closed your mind to anything that supports the official stories.

Thats what im seeing.

I used to believe the official story until I examined everything.  There are way too many inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.

[Simple Simon]

I used to believe the official story until I examined everything started trawling conspircay sites and realised I could look clever by doubting the official story like I was one of a select few who had worked out the scam.  There are way too many inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.

fixed

[Mr Anabolic]

I suppose I am a "sheeple" as well.  

I'm done with you.  You are indeed simple.

[Boost]

Even when the 6th floor is open to the public, you`re unable to actually look out of the window and grasp a good perspective of the dimensions of the assassination...... Itīs all roped off.



Kind of disappointing...

[Ronnie Rep]

Warren Commission is a joke.

[BB]

I'm reading the Stephen king book bout JFK (kinda bout JFK) now

I suggest it to ANY Am history fan

11/22/63 .

I enjoyed that book too, I liked the audiobook version too. The voices all seemed to fit with the blending of fiction and non-fiction that takes place in it.

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[orion]

I dont discount conspiracies... my problem is everone screaming "the building didnt fall right!!!" Has no clue what theyre talking about.

I dont either. Unless youre a structural engineer or someone who actually deals with strucutal failures on a regular basis, we have no business claiming anything because we're talking out of our ass.

We dont know how a building is going to collapse, and just because it doesnt collapse the way we think it should is no proof that it was fake.

I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time.  I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them.  Twice!  Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.

[Simple Simon]

I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time.  I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them.  Twice!  Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.

Then explain how it was brought down then, if what you say isnt likely the case.

[orion]

Then explain how it was brought down then, if what you say isnt likely the case.

Did what I said not make sense?  Love to argue about it but today is leg day.

[Simple Simon]

Did what I said not make sense?  Love to argue about it but today is leg day.

The buildings fell in their own footprint, it happened, we all saw it happen, now you are saying it shouldn't have happened like that yet give no alternatives apart from it isn't likely?

Likely or not, it happened.

[Shockwave]

I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time.  I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them.  Twice!  Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.

Questioning it is fine, but id like to see  legitimate explanation for how that could have occured, and a legitimate explanation for the logistics it took to actually implement the situation without anyone noticing.

Id be a lot more open to this one if there was a plausible way for them to set up a controlled demo without anyone being the wiser.

[Simple Simon]

Questioning it is fine, but id like to see  legitimate explanation for how that could have occured, and a legitimate explanation for the logistics it took to actually implement the situation without anyone noticing.

Id be a lot more open to this one if there was a plausible way for them to set up a controlled demo without anyone being the wiser.

Exactly
The woo fantasists always avoid giving you an explanation of how this occurred.

Occams razor isnt in their vocabulary.

[Var City]

11/22/63 .

I enjoyed that book too, I liked the audiobook version too. The voices all seemed to fit with the blending of fiction and non-fiction that takes place in it.

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i just got into audio books actually

i have a pretty good (stock) stereo system in my  saab and it sounds really nice (the spoken word of the poe audio books i have)

been listening to a classic book in it lately when music pisses me off (an old collection of edgar allen poe books)

as an aside, i'm an avid reader and don't like trash. i believe stephen king has NOT gotten the credit he deserves due to being a volume writer. one day he absolutely will. and it won't be post humous. because general concensus on him has already gone from "OK" (undeservadly and naively low) to "american great" (in writerly purviews and critical thinking circles). however, he STILL gets bashed by the naive.

i am more prone to bash shakespeare, while the average american couldn't do that because (a) they haven't read him and (b) they have heard he is one of the greats.

i happen to dislike shakespeare and i find him both pompous and despite his originality for his time, he fell into a TIMELESS series of tropes.. in other words his originality, despite being one of the ORIGINALS, wasn't very idiosyncratic if you look at it from a zoomed out, historical view; from his day to now.

to get to the point, i really suggest reading or listening to the audio book of stephen king's 11/22/63

it's fantastic so far and i have about 100 pages left. such an interesting read

[The Ugly]

But no comment from you on this building falling straight down... not surprised.

Already addressed.

[Var City]

Already addressed.

I agree with TU

He wanted t share photos

And I was happy to see them

He's clearly smart enough to rise above beating this dead horse alive again

What can we uncover?

Only plays on semantics

[The Ugly]

I agree with TU

He wanted t share photos

And I was happy to see them

He's clearly smart enough to rise above beating this dead horse alive again

What can we uncover?

Only plays on semantics

I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.

Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.

[Var City]

I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.

Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.

Interesting--my dad is a multiple shooter theorist too but he isn't intense about it.
He just thought the distance was too far

I think the media made too many implications

It
Is very possible Oswald did it obviously

I don't know anything special

And I don't like to waste energy

Conspiracy theorists are always extremists

It's black or white

And it
Is sometimes in life and love and ... Then you realize there's always a second perspective that is not yours (at least a second)

But we never heard the second perspective here (oswald's)

So the case is essentially black
And white to me

But not in an extremist way

It simply is

As it is

Oswald was the prime
Suspect with Cuban links and a low
IQ

And there was enough evidence that he was the shooter

Before he could give his perspective and be tried

He was killed

That is all
It
Is to me.
I enjoy history

Not revisionist history

And all history is grey because we only have perspectives full of confirmation biases and different view points (literally; angles)

So
Grey

Is black and white

Is real

Is a straight fine and blurred line

[Shockwave]

I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.

Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.

Dude (Oswald) was a Marine as well, and we had/have some pretty decent marksmanship training. Some of the best in the world, actually. (Advanced marksmanship training, Marine sniper school is one of the best in the world apparently)

[Var City]

Dude was a Marine as well, and we had/have some pretty decent marksmanship training. Some of the best in the world, actually.

Yeah he was

He was from
What I read trained with the
Gun he had

He also had a low
IQ

But really.... He very well could (and 99% is) the shooter

There were a few shots sure

But that doesn't mean they
Weren't from his rifle

And I just looked this up....
The distance from
That window to
The car

Is really not long

Thanks TU for pointing that out

[240 is Back]

Really?

LOL @ the band played on.

I'd be using that 6-string a a weapon, knocking down every woman and child I could find until my ass was warm and cozy in that life boat.   Billy Zane approved.

[The Ugly]

Interesting--my dad is a multiple shooter theorist too but he isn't intense about it.
He just thought the distance was too far

I think the media made too many implications

It
Is very possible Oswald did it obviously

I don't know anything special

And I don't like to waste energy

Conspiracy theorists are always extremists

It's black or white

And it
Is sometimes in life and love and ... Then you realize there's always a second perspective that is not yours (at least a second)

But we never heard the second perspective here (oswald's)

So the case is essentially black
And white to me

But not in an extremist way

It simply is

As it is

Oswald was the prime
Suspect with Cuban links and a low
IQ

And there was enough evidence that he was the shooter

Before he could give his perspective and be tried

He was killed

That is all
It
Is to me.
I enjoy history

Not revisionist history

And all history is grey because we only have perspectives full of confirmation biases and different view points (literally; angles)

So
Grey

Is black and white

Is real

Is a straight fine and blurred line

According to most historians (I wasn't alive at the time), this is when the conspiracy talk began.

Most of the peculiarities and whatnot have been reasonably explained to my satisfaction (No, not just the Warren Commission, c'mon), but I'm not obsessed with it either way.

Still a couple of oddities: Why does Kennedy grab his throat if the bullet entered the back of his neck? Wouldn't the pain be more intense at entry? (Probably explainable, just came to mind.) Also, 'back and to the left,' but, again, forensic experts say it happens.

I really enjoyed Mark Fuhrman's book on it. Investigated it as a detective would; evidence, piece by piece.

Guess I just did what I said I wouldn't. Oops.