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Well, in the history of bad ideas, I would have to say this is the worst.   There are 1200 rebel groups in Syria, and we're going to give the money, training, guns.  We don't know them.

I can understand obama hating our country.  I can understand mccain supporting this, as he poses for selfies with syrian rebels and loves war.

But what's up with half the Repubs going along with this crap?
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/syria-vote-senate-2014-111093.html?hp=f2

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 05:47:12 AM »
Ugh... we are so fucking stupid.

I saw Mccain defending this against Rand the other day..

His defense?
"I know these people, i see them everyday. Theyre good people."

Wow you piece of shit, just... wow.

When this cimes back around in a few years, im going to snicker. We never fucking learn.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 06:57:13 AM »
Ugh... we are so fucking stupid.

I saw Mccain defending this against Rand the other day..

His defense?
"I know these people, i see them everyday. Theyre good people."

Wow you piece of shit, just... wow.

When this cimes back around in a few years, im going to snicker. We never fucking learn.

I get it - - - ISIS is hiding inside Syria.  We cannot "go in there" and get them without declaring war against Syria.  BUSH would have done it - it's EXACTLY why he invaded afghanistan. 

Sooooo the next best thing is OPENLY funding rebel groups inside syria


The drawback?  Well ONE, among many - - - is that Syria might just see this as an act of war.  Can anyone IMAGINE what would happen if, say, Syria decided to fund rebel GANGS inside the USA to overthrow the USA?   I mean, picture boats of guns, money, BOMBS, tanks, all arriving in NYC, to be handed out to militia groups ready to overthrow the govt?

It's insane... we'd be shit angry about it, and we'd hit Syria with everything we had. 

I guess I don't see how *funding rebels to overthrow a govt* is any different from declaring war on that govt. 

Oh and mccain saying "THey're good people"... he was funding muahadeen, 30 years ago too.  he should know, more than anyone, what a bad idea it is.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 07:58:45 AM »
And its extremmuslims you guts are going to arm

funny that usa has the guts to make sanctions on russia for protecting its boarders against a anti russiam goverment and  armung the pro russian rebells but you guys can arm muslims that haye christians and want world islam domination in a country thats not even your neughbours..fucking hypochr....

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 08:26:18 AM »
FLASHBACK..

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/


BEIRUT — A Syrian rebel group's April pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda's replacement for Osama bin Laden suggests that the terrorist group's influence is not waning and that it may take a greater role in the Western-backed fight to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The pledge of allegiance by Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front chief Abou Mohamad al-Joulani to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri was coupled with an announcement by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq, that it would work with al Nusra as well.

Lebanese Sheik Omar Bakri, a Salafist who says states must be governed by Muslim religious law, says al-Qaeda has assisted al Nusra for some time.

"They provided them early on with technical, military and financial support , especially when it came to setting up networks of foreign jihadis who were brought into Syria," Bakri says. "There will certainly be greater coordination between the two groups."

The United States, which supports the overthrow of Assad, designated al Nusra a terrorist entity in December. The Obama administration has said it wants to support only those insurgent groups that are not terrorist organizations.

Al Nusra and groups like it have seen some of the most significant victories against Syrian government forces in the course of the 2-year-old uprising in which Assad's forces have killed about 80,000 people. Rebels not affiliated with al-Qaeda have pressed Washington for months to send weaponry that will allow them to match the heavy weapons of the Syrian army. They've urged the West to mount an air campaign against Assad's mechanized forces.

President Obama refuses to provide any direct military aid. Foreign radical Islamists streaming into the fight from the Middle East and Europe are making headway with the Syrian population by providing services and gaining ground in battles.

Tamer Mouhieddine, spokesman for the Syrian Free Army, a force made up of Syrian soldiers who have defected, said the recent announcements would not change his group's attitude toward al Nusra.

"The rebels in Syria have one common enemy — Bashar Assad — and they will collaborate with any faction allowing them to topple his regime," he said.

He confirmed that al Nusra is generating loyalty in Aleppo, a region battling for months with Assad, by providing financial support as well as setting up charities.

Aaron Zelin at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy in Washington says al Nusra's ability to provide security and basic needs such as bread and fuel to Syrian civilians, as well as to reopen shops and restart bus services, has won gratitude from people who would not usually adhere to its strict ideology.

Zelin says some Syrian people have criticized al Nusra for banning alcohol, forcing women to wear a full veil and whipping men who are seen with women in public.

"This illustrates the need for American leadership in the Syrian conflict, particularly with regard to helping non-Qaeda-aligned rebels contain the growth of (al Nusra) and similar groups," he said. "Washington should also try to take advantage of cleavages within the rebellion and civilian population, since al Nusra is outside the mainstream and more concerned with establishing a transnational caliphate than maintaining the Syrian state."

Groups such as the Islamic Liwaa al Tawhid, which collaborates with al Nusra on military operations, worried that Assad would use the announcement from al Nusra as evidence for his claim that he is fighting terrorists, not Syrian citizens who wish an end to his dictatorship, Mouhieddine said.

"We are willing to fight alongside any faction targeting the Assad regime, as long as it does not have a foreign agenda, which seems now the case" of al Nusra, he said.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2014, 08:32:44 AM »
BEIRUT — A Syrian rebel group's April pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda's replacement for Osama bin Laden suggests that the terrorist group's influence is not waning and that it may take a greater role in the Western-backed fight to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad.

McCain said they're good people.   I dont want to question Mccain's judgment and re-live the 2008 VP selection all over again :(

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2014, 08:36:58 AM »
McCain said they're good people.   I dont want to question Mccain's judgment and re-live the 2008 VP selection all over again :(

Why not? You're always living in the past. Every other post you either bring up Bush or Palin. If McCain said this then he's a fucking idiot. That being said, provide a link to where he specifically said that.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014, 08:39:07 AM »
Why not? You're always living in the past. Every other post you either bring up Bush or Palin. If McCain said this then he's a fucking idiot. That being said, provide a link to where he specifically said that.
It was on either CNN or MSNBC like a week ago while i was in the gym.

He was defending the idea aginst Rand Pauls feelings that arming these guys was a bad idea.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2014, 08:45:47 AM »
Why not? You're always living in the past. Every other post you either bring up Bush or Palin. If McCain said this then he's a fucking idiot. That being said, provide a link to where he specifically said that.

You're joking, right?   LOL Just because FOX doesn't really want to talk about it lol.   

MCCAIN: Well, I'm concerned. By the way, I know of no instance where the Mujahideen injured a single American.

MCCAIN: It's not true. It's not true. It's not true. I don't care about the report. I know these people intimately. We talk to them all the time.

He also says they're brave young men, fighting for freedom.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/16/sen_mccain_we_can_make_syria_rebels_strong_and_resilient.html

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2014, 08:49:02 AM »
Also, mccain wants to give the syrian rebels half a BILLION dollars for tanks and really big guns:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/211186-mccain-meets-syrian-rebels-presses-for-military-aid-to-fight-isis

And of course, here is Mccain posing with syrian rebels who will, no doubt about it, be pulling the next 9/11 in 20 years on US soil.

This is SO sickening... looking back at Ronald Reagan posing with the Mujahadeen (taleban) in the white house in 1985 when they were enjoying all our weapons and training and money... then once russia left, they came at us with USS cole and 9/11.

Then looking at Mccain posing with the same kind of group - rebels we're about to arm.  Rebels who hate us, by the way.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2014, 08:53:31 AM »
MCCAIN: Well, I'm concerned. By the way, I know of no instance where the Mujahideen injured a single American.

Mccain should read about how the mujahadeen became the taleban, which sheltered/trained al-Q for the 911 attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan

Seriously, FOX isn't covering it.  Totally their right, but maybe you should watch other news sourcces, coach.

http://www.foxnews.com/

Four headline articles:
Ebola, georgia democrats, Florida murder/suicide, and French airstrikes... NOTHING about mccain leading repubs and OBama to give $$ to syrian rebels.   

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2014, 09:05:31 AM »
You're joking, right?   LOL Just because FOX doesn't really want to talk about it lol.   

MCCAIN: Well, I'm concerned. By the way, I know of no instance where the Mujahideen injured a single American.

MCCAIN: It's not true. It's not true. It's not true. I don't care about the report. I know these people intimately. We talk to them all the time.

He also says they're brave young men, fighting for freedom.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/16/sen_mccain_we_can_make_syria_rebels_strong_and_resilient.html

Then fuck him.

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Re: Senate votes to Arm & Train Syrian Rebels (78 suppor to 22 opposed)
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2014, 09:20:57 AM »
Then fuck him.

Ouch.  I wouldn't go that far.  I think he's a war hero who just loves war so much - he's willing to overlook longterm potential danger for short-term overthrow of govts he doesn't like.

He isnt worried about 10 years from now when these syrian rebels DO take over Syria and cut off oil.  Or, he's not worried about what happens if these rebels just sell these amazing weapons to terrists to do dirt here.  Or he's not worried about them becoming the next al-quida, and blowing up towers in america, with all our training,and technology and MONEY.

Why?   My *guess* and only a guess, is that he's 78 years old.   He's battled cancer 4 times (that we know of).  He takes dozens of meds each day and he's a ROUGH 78 years old.   I am not sure he's worried about the blowback, 10 or 15 years from now.  he just cares about settling the score with syrian leaders he dislikes, or he just like perpetual war in the world.

Still, I can 't say "fccck him", he's a war hero and he believes he's doing what is best for our country.  I just call him misguided and hope he retires.  He's worth hundreds of millions... enjoy it, vacation and relax.  He just loves power and stirring up wars :(