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IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:17:03 PM »
Based on my other post, asking who the judges were (and no one seemed to know all their names), and based on the comments on some of the other threads, it appears there is no impartial objective judging happening here.

If one of the judges is a close friend to one or more of the competitors, or has a business relationship with one of the competitors, in any other sport or business or art, this conflict-of-interest would not be tolerated.  Moreover, it appears this contest is not about who has the most muscular body, but who would be the "best" Mr Olympia public relations person, based on some powerful person's opinion.

My point is, with this corrupt judging system, what message does that send to a young, ambitious bodybuilder who wants to go all the way to the top?  That unless you're close friends with the judges, or if your persona is little bit out there (like Greene), you don't have a chance.  (Personally I think Greene has gotten a bum wrap for the grapefruit video; in the movie American Pie a straight guy fucks a cherry pie.)  So then, why should the young bodybuilder bother with bodybuilding?

Or, what message does this send if you don't speak English or are not America?  Then you're not the public relations "ideal."  Given that, Rami, or any other non-English speaking competitor, will never win no matter how good he looks.  Again, so why bother bodybuilding?

I understand there is great subjectivity in bodybuilding judging.  But, this notion of rewarding "my friend," "my business partner," "the right type," will only further limit bodybuilding to the small niche it now is.

This is sad.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 07:19:19 PM »
The judging has been suspect for years. Going back to the 70's & 80's.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 07:19:27 PM »
Based on my other post, asking who the judges were (and no one seemed to know all their names), and based on the comments on some of the other threads, it appears there is no impartial objective judging happening here.

If one of the judges is a close friend to one or more of the competitors, or has a business relationship with one of the competitors, in any other sport or business or art, this conflict-of-interest would not be tolerated.  Moreover, it appears this contest is not about who has the most muscular body, but who would be the "best" Mr Olympia public relations person, based on some powerful person's opinion.

My point is, with this corrupt judging system, what message does that send to a young, ambitious bodybuilder who wants to go all the way to the top?  That unless you're close friends with the judges, or if your persona is little bit out there (like Greene), you don't have a chance.  (Personally I think Greene has gotten a bum wrap for the grapefruit video; in the movie American Pie a straight guy fucks a cherry pie.)  So then, why should the young bodybuilder bother with bodybuilding?

Or, what message does this send if you don't speak English or are not America?  Then you're not the public relations "ideal."  Given that, Rami, or any other non-English speaking competitor, will never win no matter how good he looks.  Again, so why bother bodybuilding?

I understand there is great subjectivity in bodybuilding judging.  But, this notion of rewarding "my friend," "my business partner," "the right type," will only further limit bodybuilding to the small niche it now is.

This is sad.

The message it sends is:

Don't become a professional bodybuilder.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 07:20:51 PM »
Nonsense. As a Bulgarian native competing in the states I never had any problems winning shows. Phil was better, sorry.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 07:21:26 PM »
Honestly,  Wolf should have won. The Zionists are moving these mullatos into positions of power to erode the Christian fiber of the Western world.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 07:28:54 PM »
Who is receiving the message? How did Art Atwood ever win a show? Why does Branch place so well? How did Dorian win with one arm? How were Ron and Jay able to win/place well towards the end? Why did Ron say Flex would place 3rd in this lineup? How did Cormier not win one classic? What happened at the 1980 Olympia? Did Hugh Jackman deadline 400 pounds? 

Why is anyone surprised after 50 years of documented consistent history?

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 07:38:12 PM »
I believe the message is something like this:

It's like a jungle, sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.

That's pretty much it.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 07:43:29 PM »
Nonsense. As a Bulgarian native competing in the states I never had any problems winning shows. Phil was better, sorry.

Phil didn't have perfect score in pre-judging.  You are missing the point.  The way the Olympia is setup and scored, you are done as #2 if #1 has a 5 after pre-judging. Even if Kai received a 5 in the night show, Phil wasn't getting >10 as an injury free defending Mr O.  

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2014, 07:46:33 PM »
Phil didn't end up with a perfect score and Kai won the prejudging? Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2014, 07:56:13 PM »
Phil didn't have perfect score in pre-judging.  You are missing the point.  The way the Olympia is setup and scored, you are done as #2 if #1 has a 5 after pre-judging. Even if Kai received a 5 in the night show, Phil wasn't getting >10 as an injury free defending Mr O.  

Link to the pre judging score card? And no...I clearly see the point he's trying to make and I'm not buying it. If Kai actually had the better package then I'd give the conspiracy theories time.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2014, 07:56:56 PM »
The message it sends is:

Don't become a professional bodybuilder.


Or learn to give excellent blow jobs.
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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 07:58:36 PM »
I have more faith in boxing judges to get it right before bodybuilding

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 08:00:36 PM »
Someone with connects to "vice" get on the case they actually seem to expose corrupt practices incredibly well..

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 08:02:15 PM »
Or learn to give excellent blow jobs.

The problem is that Kai schmoed it for the wrong people. He was schmoeing for some random guys in a club.

He needed to schmoe with some top IFBB judges. Dudes, got it all backwards.
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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2014, 08:17:56 PM »
when was the pre-judging scorecard released?    Imagine if the refs kept the super bowl scores secret until the end of the game lol.   The idea of ANY scored competition keeping the scores secret until the end?  lol...  And then, all the scores are identical?

I mean... Phil is now what, 20-0 over Kai in the last 4 Olympias?   It's so strange to think, Kai's never beaten phil on anything.  Was phil "Straight 1s" every round for the past 4 years? 

I'm fine with scoring phil over kai... kai came out sloppy and got better.  But when did the fans get the pre-judging scores?  Friday night?

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2014, 08:25:47 PM »
A very simple message.....bodybuilding is nothing more than a creepy subculture that acts as a vessel for a few people to profit from.

Exactly how the Weiders wanted it.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2014, 08:36:05 PM »
Do the same judges judge every year?
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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2014, 09:00:43 PM »
Usually only people that have never competed and literally have not a fucking clue about what a winning physique is - or just sad little competitors that can't win or even place are the ones that complain. I didn't win EVERY contest I was in (although never out of top 3 ;) but I deserved every placing - even the ones I was in 2 or 3.
Complaining is a loser mentality. It's why Getbig harbors total douchebags like the unemployed and delusional.
I guess an hour or two was all I could handle for this month. Lol -check back in when I feel like fucking with the have nots and the weak ..

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2014, 09:12:48 PM »
Phil didn't end up with a perfect score and Kai won the prejudging? Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2014, 09:43:18 PM »
The message is that the Weider-Arnold legacy of fixed contests lives on.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2014, 10:20:52 PM »
The problem is that Kai schmoed it for the wrong people. He was schmoeing for some random guys in a club.

He needed to schmoe with some top IFBB judges. Dudes, got it all backwards.

This proves my point exactly:  In order to win at the Olympia, you have to "schmoe" (whatever that means) with the right people.  If you don't, you don't win.  Your body development has nothing to do with your winning or placement.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2014, 10:22:55 PM »
Usually only people that have never competed and literally have not a fucking clue about what a winning physique is - or just sad little competitors that can't win or even place are the ones that complain. I didn't win EVERY contest I was in (although never out of top 3 ;) but I deserved every placing - even the ones I was in 2 or 3.
Complaining is a loser mentality. It's why Getbig harbors total douchebags like the unemployed and delusional.
I guess an hour or two was all I could handle for this month. Lol -check back in when I feel like fucking with the have nots and the weak ..

I'm not referring to local or regional contests; only the Olympia.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2014, 10:25:34 PM »
Do the same judges judge every year?

As I wrote in my other thread, I heard Shawn Ray say once that when you have the same judges year after year, you get the same results year after year.

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2014, 10:30:00 PM »
A very simple message.....bodybuilding is nothing more than a creepy subculture that acts as a vessel for a few people to profit from.

Exactly how the Weiders wanted it.

About 15 years ago I went to a seminar with Lee Priest.  In his talk, he mentioned that at one point Reebok wanted to get into bodybuilding, which would have meant millions for the competitors. The Weiders weren't going to stand for that, so they quickly shut Reebok out. 

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Re: IF MR OLYMPIA JUDGING IS CORRUPT, WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2014, 10:34:35 PM »
Who is receiving the message? How did Art Atwood ever win a show? Why does Branch place so well? How did Dorian win with one arm? How were Ron and Jay able to win/place well towards the end? Why did Ron say Flex would place 3rd in this lineup? How did Cormier not win one classic? What happened at the 1980 Olympia? Did Hugh Jackman deadline 400 pounds? 

Why is anyone surprised after 50 years of documented consistent history?

you forgot to mention the biggest miscarriage of bodybuilding justice . . .
how did Chick win the Masters Pro?