Do you believe in free will?

[Wolfox]

I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.

[Wez]

Yes

[King Shizzo]

I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.

What is the definition of free will?

[Wez]

IMO free will is the belief that you and only you have the power to make your life whatever you want it to be. As opposed to fate or pre-destination.

[The Ugly]

I don't.

Too many factors not in my control.

But those factors only suggest you choose the most beneficial path, no? One could certainly assert his free will in a detrimental fashion, just to prove a point, but he'd have to suffer the consequences.

Is this what you mean by "factors"? Like pulling an Office Space instead of going to work and paying bills, etc.?

[King Shizzo]

IMO free will is the belief that you and only you have the power to make your life whatever you want it to be. As opposed to fate or pre-destination.

There are too many outside factors imo. What you can do, is make the best out of every situation.

Unless you get murdered or something.

[The Ugly]

There are too many outside factors imo.

The choice still remains with the individual, correct?

[King Shizzo]

The choice still remains with the individual, correct?

The choice to pursue or believe in something, not necessarily the outcome.

[The Ugly]

The choice to pursue or believe in something, not necessarily the outcome.

Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.

[King Shizzo]

Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.

I was referring to the person who said free will is the power to make your life whatever you want it to be.

[The Ugly]

I was referring to the person who said free will is the power to make your life whatever you want it to be.

Oh, fuck that retarded "Secret" nonsense, got nothing to do with free will.

[Radical Plato]

Sam Harris, a respected neuroscientist claims FREE WILL is an illusion.

[Wolfox]

Since when is outcome related to free will, though? Choice is free will as far as I understand it.

But when "choice" is predicated upon factors(e.g. genetic, social, cultural, environmental, historical) that you have absolutely no control over, how exactly is that free will?

I have no more free will than a child has a choice in being born.  

[Wolfox]

We're all just characters in this grand play.

[The Ugly]

Not sure how we're defining free will, I guess.

[haider]

Reminds me of a joke:
"A voice whispered to me last night: 'There is no such thing as a voice whispering in the night!'"

[Gonuclear]

Sam Harris, a respected neuroscientist claims FREE WILL is an illusion.

Harris has published exactly one thing - his Phd thesis.  Which was pretty trivial.  Enough to get him his doctorate, bit as a neuroscientist, he's a cipher.  A know-it-all, smartass schmuck.

But I don't mean that in a bad way.