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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2014, 01:33:32 PM »
Like Halo said, JCVD isn't a fighter either, i also heard from many accounts that he's not exactly a "lionheart"... So probably found the courage to challenge Seagal due to being drunk, but he probably waited Seagal to accept or to make the first move...
i just speculated that

he's a pretty boy who is good at fancy kicks

was a very good bodybuilder also


these things dont generally add up to a tough customer

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2014, 01:34:23 PM »
Seagal talks like he knows for a fact jcvd isnt a martial artist but van damme actually has a solid fight history and was only knocked to the canvas once. His fight history was questioned early on as he fought under his real name van varenberg. No matter what seagal thinks jcvd has used his martial arts at a competitive level. Seagal has as far as i know/ or can find out has never competed and fought an actual opponent who isnt running at him, offering his wrist and flipping themselves over.
So sorry fellas but jcvd is legit, his competive history is on imdb, makes an interesting read

Story goes that when Sylvester Stallone did a party at his house in 1997, both Van Damme and Seagal were there... Seagal never liked JCVD for some reasons, calling him a ballerina and only a bodybuilder, not a legit martial artist/fighter (well, he's not wrong to be honest), saying that he could kick his ass... Van Damme, who was supposedly a bit drunk, challenged Seagal to a real fight in the backyard, tired of hearing him talk shit... Seagal declined, left Stallone's house going to a club, and an angry Van Damme surprisingly followed, challenging him again... Seagal refused... If this story is mostly true, not a great thing on Seagal's resume... I mean, you shouldn't run from a sober JCVD, let alone from a drunk one if you are supposedly a super tough guy like Seagal claims to be...

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #127 on: October 02, 2014, 01:37:36 PM »
why does segal pronounce words so weird

he's a KHRAHRAHTHEKHAH



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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #128 on: October 02, 2014, 01:43:11 PM »
Seagal talks like he knows for a fact jcvd isnt a martial artist but van damme actually has a solid fight history and was only knocked to the canvas once. His fight history was questioned early on as he fought under his real name van varenberg. No matter what seagal thinks jcvd has used his martial arts at a competitive level. Seagal has as far as i know/ or can find out has never competed and fought an actual opponent who isnt running at him, offering his wrist and flipping themselves over.

Agreed mostly, i know about the Van Varenberg thing, but there is also serious speculations that his "fighting record" is fraudulent... What i've seen of a young JCVD is mostly very light contact/sparring kickboxing... Better than nothing but not exactly a testament of fighting prowess...
I'm guessing Stallone could probably drop 'em both.
Well, Stallone was/is always a very conditioned mofo, and he could probably throw decent punches since training some boxing for Rocky movies...

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #129 on: October 02, 2014, 01:59:28 PM »
02:20 lmao

this segal guy is fucking funny



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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #130 on: October 02, 2014, 02:00:13 PM »
There is footage of actual contest online though not alot. It was spoken about in his reality show. He explained how different screen fighting is from actual fighting and demonstrated to other actors, he knows his shit.
Agreed mostly, i know about the Van Varenberg thing, but there is also serious speculations that his "fighting record" is fraudulent... What i've seen of a young JCVD is mostly very light contact/sparring kickboxing... Better than nothing but not exactly a testament of fighting prowess...Well, Stallone was/is always a very conditioned mofo, and he could probably throw decent punches since training some boxing for Rocky movies...

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #131 on: October 02, 2014, 02:07:08 PM »
Like Halo said, JCVD isn't a fighter either, i also heard from many accounts that he's not exactly a "lionheart"... So probably found the courage to challenge Seagal due to being drunk, but he probably waited Seagal to accept or to make the first move...
Yes but you see we have proof he could at the very least do a pushup, the same cannot be said about seagal.


Dude is just ultra delusional.

His entire sense of power is based on his opportunistic assaults on people.

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #132 on: October 02, 2014, 03:07:26 PM »
for definite

Yes but you see we have proof he could at the very least do a pushup, the same cannot be said about seagal.


Dude is just ultra delusional.

His entire sense of power is based on his opportunistic assaults on people.

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #133 on: October 03, 2014, 02:18:27 AM »
Did he hire Ali G as his stylist?

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #134 on: October 03, 2014, 03:37:46 AM »
lol,i love the one with chris Weidman and mat serra ;D,that sounded like both Weidman and serra to the t
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #135 on: October 03, 2014, 01:10:40 PM »
He never “ran his own aikido school.” He married Myako Fujitani, in 1975. It was the connection to Myako’s father that enabled Seagal to be the first westerner to run a dojo in Japan. When they first married, he went to the school, his mother-in-law owned it, and his wife ran it. It was never his school.  I believe it was also Fujitani's father who granted him the title of 7th dan or at least expedited his rise through the ranks.


So, you decide to show all of us, that you don't know twat about the Japanese society? Women running the business? Of course, my friend, and cows will fly over the hills. We are talking about Japan, where Male have all the rights, and women have what male gives to her, and nothing more. Women running business at Japan 1975? In your dreams maybe. And look what you write: "He never ran his own aikido school", and in the next sentence: "enabled Seagal to be the first westerner to run a dojo in Japan"? He never run the aikido school, but he was a first westerner who run a dojo in japan? Dojo = martial arts school = aikido school, so what the fuck you are talking about? Seagal may be a prick, but regardless of that, he is aikido master. Just try to live with that.

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #136 on: October 03, 2014, 07:57:53 PM »
Seagal may be a prick, but regardless of that, he is aikido master. Just try to live with that.
lol.  Nobody cares about Aikido, it is considered a joke, a fraudulent martial art.  He may as well be a black belt in macrame.
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #137 on: October 03, 2014, 10:56:56 PM »
02:20 lmao

this segal guy is fucking funny



really

watch this lol

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #138 on: October 04, 2014, 01:58:03 AM »
lol.  Nobody cares about Aikido, it is considered a joke, a fraudulent martial art.  He may as well be a black belt in macrame.
why is it Fraudulent? explain what you mean?

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #139 on: October 04, 2014, 02:01:46 AM »
why is it Fraudulent? explain what you mean?
it doesnt work against a resisting opponent

it's based on "you do this, then i do this" exercises



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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #140 on: October 04, 2014, 03:25:30 AM »
why is it Fraudulent? explain what you mean?
It's ineffective in a real fight, and may even put you at a disadvantage if you believe it is a legitimate martial art.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #141 on: October 04, 2014, 05:34:11 AM »
So, you decide to show all of us, that you don't know twat about the Japanese society? Women running the business? Of course, my friend, and cows will fly over the hills. We are talking about Japan, where Male have all the rights, and women have what male gives to her, and nothing more. Women running business at Japan 1975? In your dreams maybe. And look what you write: "He never ran his own aikido school", and in the next sentence: "enabled Seagal to be the first westerner to run a dojo in Japan"? He never run the aikido school, but he was a first westerner who run a dojo in japan? Dojo = martial arts school = aikido school, so what the fuck you are talking about? Seagal may be a prick, but regardless of that, he is aikido master. Just try to live with that.

The school wasn't his because he didn't own it. He ran his wife's fathers dojo.   He married into the business and running it had nothing to do with his ability or initiative. 
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #142 on: October 04, 2014, 05:38:50 AM »
Who talks like that?

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #143 on: October 04, 2014, 05:55:53 AM »
The school wasn't his because he didn't own it. He ran his wife's fathers dojo.   He married into the business and running it had nothing to do with his ability or initiative. 
Be careful with Ropo's feelings, you are exposing his idol of many years as the gimmick he is.  Some people never recover when their chosen idols fall from their pedestal and it sounds like ropo has a pretty strong crush on Seagal. 
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #144 on: October 04, 2014, 05:58:33 AM »
Be careful with Ropo's feelings, you are exposing his idol of many years as the gimmick he is.  Some people never recover when their chosen idols fall from their pedestal and it sounds like ropo has a pretty strong crush on Seagal. 

I got the crush vibe from ropo toward Seagal.  I fell for that gimmick shit myself when I was a kid.  Hell, when I was a kid I thought Schwarzenegger was really as tough as the characters he played.
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #145 on: October 04, 2014, 06:08:23 AM »
It's ineffective in a real fight, and may even put you at a disadvantage if you believe it is a legitimate martial art.  Hope this helps.
have you trained in Aikido ? for how long? what school of Aikido was it? tell me the techniques you found ineffective and why? you are entitled to your opinion of course.

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #146 on: October 04, 2014, 06:08:48 AM »
I got the crush vibe from ropo toward Seagal.  I fell for that gimmick shit myself when I was a kid.  Hell, when I was a kid I thought Schwarzenegger was really as tough as the characters he played.
That's normal, many younger people are easily fooled by their elders.  This is why Seagal refuses to fight legitimately and prove himself, he knows he will get his arse kicked and the illusion will be shattered.  He enjoys the illusion  and having the gullible worship and idolise him because they don't know how to differentiate the conman from the genuine deal.  Add in some movies where he appears to be invincible and then carry that some presence into real life, you have a great conman. I will give Seagal props for creating a great gimmick and being an excellent conman, it has helped his B grade acting career but most of all it fuels his deficient ego that needs this type of artificial prop to feel valid.  I have met many people like this, they are great tricksters, but once called out they have a myriad of techniques to shy away from any real challenge or confirmation of their claims.
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #147 on: October 04, 2014, 06:11:05 AM »
have you trained in Aikido ? for how long? what school of Aikido was it? tell me the techniques you found ineffective and why? you are entitled to your opinion of course.

I studied a little aikido as a youngster as part of a cross dojo training program.  One of the best aspects of Aikido is its focus on balance and the manipulation of an opponents balance.  I don't have extensive experience in Aikido but I do appreciate the awareness of my own body I gained from my brief instruction.
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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #148 on: October 04, 2014, 06:18:04 AM »
I studied a little aikido as a youngster as part of a cross dojo training program.  One of the best aspects of Aikido is its focus on balance and the manipulation of an opponents balance.  I don't have extensive experience in Aikido but I do appreciate the awareness of my own body I gained from my brief instruction.
good answer. It takes a long time to learn. If you want effective self defence fast then i would go for Wing chun. I like the traditional aspect of Aikido. All these film stars have Egos regardless of Background in Martial Arts.

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Re: Really Seagal...Really??
« Reply #149 on: October 04, 2014, 06:20:47 AM »
have you trained in Aikido ? for how long? what school of Aikido was it? tell me the techniques you found ineffective and why? you are entitled to your opinion of course.
I trained in boxing which is a legitimate fighting technique. And one doesn't need to practise something to know it is fraudulent, you just need to study, observe and use reasoning.  Is it a reasonable suggestion that CHI actually exists, of course not, it is superstitious rubbish.  Is it likely someone will act docile and hand you their wrist in a fight so you can manipulate it, of course not.  Is it likely that people throw a punch and leave their punch extended without quickly retracting it, of course not.  Like most things in life, the cream rises to the top, so if aikido was legitimate martial art we would see it succesfully used in the street and in mixed martial arts, but we don't.  Aikido is a money making gimmick aimed at the gullible and naive, classic con man snake oil sales.

Most fights revert back to the basics, throwing punches and wrestling, if you know a few submission techniques even better.  But martial arts like Aikido, Wushu, Capoeira and the like appeal to those who don't actually ever want to fight, but just feel like they can if need be. The only problem being if they do get in an actual fight they often get their arse kicked by someone not bogged down in ridiculous ritualistic techniques and ineffective manoeuvres who just has the heart to scrap and fight.  Such martial arts appeal to the yuppies and the comfortable middle classes who would get the shock of their life if you busted them hard in the nose with a stiff jab.  All some people need is a comfortable illusion of something, like being able to fight. Aikido definitely provides such an illusion to those willing to suspend critical thought (which is most people)

Aikido is probably great against a defenceless opponent who is unwilling or unable to engage in a fight or is reluctant and restrained in his attack, like say in a law enforcement scenario, where the target is a passive and unwilling combatant. But in terms of handling a young strong, fit hostile opponent who knows the basics of grappling and can throw a decent punch and has targeted you as his next victim, you will soon regret years wasted on aikido and wonder if you shouldnt have taken up running instead.  If you want to feel good about yourself, feel spiritual or simply improve your fitness, Aikido is probably a good choice.  If you want to become a more dangerous individual, aikido is probably a poor choice.
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