After Yesterday`s "No One" Machine Workout...

[Rammstein]

I am loving the routine so far as well.  Leg day is absolutely brutal with nearly no rest, doing squats. 

What kind of weights/sets/reps are you using for squats?

[Vince B]

Yes, you make a good point. How much intensity is required? Maybe it's only 90% or even 80%? But as Mentzer argue you cannot objectively measure those levels. You can accurately measure only two levels: zero intensity and 100% intensity. But even 100% is subjective. Sometimes you think you are really pushing yourself when you really are not. Maybe it's a good thing for at least a beginning to keep track of progress. If you did 8 reps the last time you strive for 9 reps the next.

And the same with duration and frequency. I don't think one set per body part will do it. So how much? Ten, twenty, sixty? Do we train 3 times a week? Six times? Twice a day?

This is where the rub is. The basic principle is the same for everybody and applies to everybody. To increase size, strength and functional ability of a muscle you have to subject it to an over load. It's the specifics that varies from individual to individual as well as the response and results.

I will now take off my shirt.

Let us step back and look at the stimulus required to cause an already highly trained muscle to grow bigger. I have read about thresholds when it comes to intensity and it is something like over 75% and probably closer to 80% that is required. If you can do 1 rep with 400 lbs in the bench press then you need somewhere between 300 and 320 pounds to have sufficient intensity. If you use 300 pounds then you should get from 8 to 10 reps with the 300 and from 6 to 8 reps with 320. Then all you need to do is many sets with that resistance and perhaps you will grow. I recommend 5 or 6 heavy sets using the same resistance.

What bodybuilders discovered is that they cannot keep adding weight to the bar. So they added sets. Weight is also added over time as well, so there is always a progression. The accumulation of waste products from those hard sets is what stimulates the muscle to grow.

So along comes no one who discards everything that has been learned over the last 6 decades and suggests we train with greater frequency without rest between the sets. I am not buying this. Sure, severe protocols can work for a while but even he recommends taking anabolics if growth slows. That really is disappointing because the true theory of hypertrophy should allow one to keep progressing with or without drugs.

[Hulkotron]

Let us step back and look at the stimulus required to cause an already highly trained muscle to grow bigger. I have read about thresholds when it comes to intensity and it is something like over 75% and probably closer to 80% that is required. If you can do 1 rep with 400 lbs in the bench press then you need somewhere between 300 and 320 pounds to have sufficient intensity. If you use 300 pounds then you should get from 8 to 10 reps with the 300 and from 6 to 8 reps with 320. Then all you need to do is many sets with that resistance and perhaps you will grow. I recommend 5 or 6 heavy sets using the same resistance.

What bodybuilders discovered is that they cannot keep adding weight to the bar. So they added sets. Weight is also added over time as well, so there is always a progression. The accumulation of waste products from those hard sets is what stimulates the muscle to grow.

So along comes no one who discards everything that has been learned over the last 6 decades and suggests we train with greater frequency without rest between the sets. I am not buying this. Sure, severe protocols can work for a while but even he recommends taking anabolics if growth slows. That really is disappointing because the true theory of hypertrophy should allow one to keep progressing with or without drugs.

[SF1900]

LMAO!!

Can you imagine if the machine below had wheels on it and pushing Basile out the door while he rolled away doing arm curls lol.

[calfzilla]

LMAO!!

Can you imagine if the machine below had wheels on it and pushing Basile out the door while he rolled away doing arm curls lol.

If only ironmeister could make this happen.

[Var City]

LMAO!!

Can you imagine if the machine below had wheels on it and pushing Basile out the door while he rolled away doing arm curls lol.

can someone explain to me the story of this photo shop

wtf is vince doing

[Vince B]

I just had a workout on my biceps-supinator. Brutal arm workout combined with triceps extensions on modified Nautilus machine.

I always superset bis and tris and today I did so with no rest after each superset. Did that for 4 sets then a short break and then a few more sets.

If you can superset using opposite muscles then perhaps reducing the rest will work and you can avoid the heavy weights. As you progress with

this protocol you can of course increase the resistance.

I always keep an open mind about hypertrophy and perhaps there are many equivalent means to the same end. However, we all have to stimulate

the muscles and the same symptoms will be there no matter which means we used. Pump, shaking, fullness, exhaustion, etc.

[calfzilla]

can someone explain to me the story of this photo shop

wtf is vince doing

Not a photo shop 

[SF1900]

If only ironmeister could make this happen.

LMAO!!!

Ill have to put in the request.

edit: request submitted 

[Vince B]

Not a photo shop  

That photo was taken in January 2005. The machine has recently been modified to make it simpler and easier to use.

[Var City]

That photo was taken in January 2005. The machine has recently been modified to make it simpler and easier to use.

do you have a website where i can purchase one?

[The Ugly]

I just had a workout on my biceps-supinator. Brutal arm workout combined with triceps extensions on modified Nautilus machine.

I always superset bis and tris and today I did so with no rest after each superset. Did that for 4 sets then a short break and then a few more sets.

If you can superset using opposite muscles then perhaps reducing the rest will work and you can avoid the heavy weights. As you progress with

this protocol you can of course increase the resistance.

I always keep an open mind about hypertrophy and perhaps there are many equivalent means to the same end. However, we all have to stimulate

the muscles and the same symptoms will be there no matter which means we used. Pump, shaking, fullness, exhaustion, etc.

It's gotta bug you that with all these groundbreaking hypertrophy theories and innovative wormhole-traveling vehicles you've designed, your safety fat-protected physique can no longer enjoy even the most minimal gains.

All due respect, of course.

[Vince B]

do you have a website where i can purchase one?

No. None for sale. That could change in the future but I won't be building any more.

I just finished training my arms. Got an 1 3/8 inch pump doing my routine with less weight and rest between sets. If a routine is difficult and results in a larger pump then that should stimulate more hypertrophy.

I will see tomorrow morning if I have grown.

[Var City]

No. None for sale. That could change in the future but I won't be building any more.

I just finished training my arms. Got an 1 3/8 inch pump doing my routine with less weight and rest between sets. If a routine is difficult and results in a larger pump then that should stimulate more hypertrophy.

I will see tomorrow morning if I have grown.

can you please remember to report back though?

that's really interesting actually. i think you'll grow by tomorrow. i don't know if it will be a quarter of an inch or an inch, but i'm pretty sure. i don't know though. who knows. but definitely report back. because i think what you said about when a routine is difficult and results in a larger pump then that should stimulate more hypertrophy or whatever is kind of like, right on. i think you're on to something that's basically, like, big.

if you've grown by the morning, i'm going to try this out. and once you get the website up, i'm buying one of the machines.

Thanks!

[The Ugly]

No. None for sale. That could change in the future but I won't be building any more.

I just finished training my arms. Got an 1 3/8 inch pump doing my routine with less weight and rest between sets. If a routine is difficult and results in a larger pump then that should stimulate more hypertrophy.

I will see tomorrow morning if I have grown.

Oh, shit. Please disregard my previous post, I've clearly been proven wrong. Well done, sir. Your post-workout progress is undeniable. If you were ancient, Greek, and naked, some artistic queer would've chiseled your image for his gay stoneporn brethren.

[Vince B]

I started training in 1958. That is a long time ago. I began with basic equipment in a mate's basement. Plenty of others came and went but I persisted and started making gains.

I got my arms to 17 1/2 without any drugs by 1968 when I trained at Golds, Venice. I want to see if I can exceed that measurement now at the age of 72 and without any supplements whatever, including drugs.

Should be interesting. My biceps today are as big as they have ever been. So I can't see why I can't build my arms over 18 and perhaps beyond 18 1/2. I got them to 18 about 15 years ago then got sore

elbows. I avoid that now my never placing my elbows on pads. The biceps-supinator is amazing. I can use it alternating arms which allows me to do more reps than doing both

simultaneously. Supersetting with triceps extensions on the Nautilus machine I get a great pump. The short reps help a lot so I will continue with those protocols and see what

happens. Believe me if any of you used this machine you would never go back to dumbbells or any other machine. It is that good. What happens is that you have two weight stacks. One for the curling movement

and another for the twisting movement. Even if you don't twist your hands much during the movement it has to resist unwinding so there are two forces on the biceps and thus the brutal workouts that are possible.

[Simple Simon]

I started training in 1958. That is a long time ago. I began with basic equipment in a mate's basement. Plenty of others came and went but I persisted and started making gains.

I got my arms to 17 1/2 without any drugs by 1968 when I trained at Golds, Venice. I want to see if I can exceed that measurement now at the age of 72 and without any supplements whatever, including drugs.

Should be interesting. My biceps today are as big as they have ever been. So I can't see why I can't build my arms over 18 and perhaps beyond 18 1/2. I got them to 18 about 15 years ago then got sore

elbows. I avoid that now my never placing my elbows on pads. The biceps-supinator is amazing. I can use it alternating arms which allows me to do more reps than doing both

simultaneously. Supersetting with triceps extensions on the Nautilus machine I get a great pump. The short reps help a lot so I will continue with those protocols and see what

happens. Believe me if any of you used this machine you would never go back to dumbbells or any other machine. It is that good. What happens is that you have two weight stacks. One for the curling movement

and another for the twisting movement. Even if you don't twist your hands much during the movement it has to resist unwinding so there are two forces on the biceps and thus the brutal workouts that are possible.

I can get the same workout with an elastic band.

[bigmc]

so we are back to here

I remember vinces legendary grow your arms a inch in a week thread from a couple of years ago

when all he did was train arms and nothing else

he got gains of 0.0000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000001 inch after that month

from fat accumulation then gave up

the body building world was rocked and a anew era was born

[Vince B]

so we are back to here

I remember vinces legendary grow your arms a inch in a week thread from a couple of years ago

when all he did was train arms and nothing else

he got gains of 0.0000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000001 inch after that month

from fat accumulation then gave up

the body building world was rocked and a anew era was born

Poor memory, bigmc. An inch in a month is what I was aiming for. I have no doubt I can gain over an inch in a month now. Should be fun. My forearms feel like solid steel!

[Simple Simon]

Poor memory, bigmc. An inch in a month is what I was aiming for. I have no doubt I can gain over an inch in a month now. Should be fun. My forearms feel like solid steel!

I genuinly laughed out loud at the possible responses you are going to get with that comment.

Cue the avalanche.

[The Ugly]

Poor memory, bigmc. An inch in a month is what I was aiming for. I have no doubt I can gain over an inch in a month now. Should be fun. My forearms feel like solid steel!

Steel? Hell, don't sell yourself short, stud. Forearms look like they're made from that stuff they use on the space shuttle, that magic shit.

Seriously, though, on a scale of zero to negative ten, how would you rate your current physique? Be honest now.

[Var City]

Poor memory, bigmc. An inch in a month is what I was aiming for. I have no doubt I can gain over an inch in a month now. Should be fun. My forearms feel like solid steel!

i don't doubt you can achieve two inches if you put your mind to it vince.

just keep at it.

and keep us updated many times a day.

thanxxxxx!

[bigmc]

Poor memory, bigmc. An inch in a month is what I was aiming for. I have no doubt I can gain over an inch in a month now. Should be fun. My forearms feel like solid steel!

what about leaning up a bit

surely that will be better health wise

im not trolling you here

[Julio Ceasar]

That photo was taken in January 2005. The machine has recently been modified to make it simpler and easier to use.

Simpler and easier to use...maybe this one?

18inch arms are not that smal, but a mearserment without any referense is shit. Arms vs waist ratio make it more intresting...My arms are 15,7 and waist 31...thats ratio 2.0...well dosent seem I can get under 2...without roids...my arms are toothpicks!

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I can get the same workout with an elastic band.

lolz