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BREAKING NEWS Friday, October 17, 2014 10:44 AM EDT
 



Obama Picks Ebola ‘Czar’: Ron Klain, Former Biden Aide
President Obama on Friday appointed Ron Klain, a former chief of staff for Vice Presidents Al Gore and Joseph R. Biden Jr., as Ebola “czar” to manage the government’s response to the deadly virus as anxiety grew over its possible spread, according to a White House official.

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #177 on: October 17, 2014, 08:52:06 AM »


Who Do They Think We Are?

The administration’s Ebola evasions reveal its disdain for the American people.



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Oct. 16, 2014 7:34 p.m. ET







Martin Kozlowski

The administration’s handling of the Ebola crisis continues to be marked by double talk, runaround and gobbledygook. And its logic is worse than its language. In many of its actions, especially its public pronouncements, the government is functioning not as a soother of public anxiety but the cause of it.

An example this week came in the dialogue between Megyn Kelly of Fox News and Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control.

Their conversation focused largely on the government’s refusal to stop travel into the United States by citizens of plague nations. “Why not put a travel ban in place,” Ms. Kelly asked, while we shore up the U.S. public-health system?

Dr. Frieden replied that we now have screening at airports, and “we’ve already recommended that all nonessential travel to these countries be stopped for Americans.” He added: “We’re always looking at ways that we can better protect Americans.”

“But this is one,” Ms. Kelly responded.

Dr. Frieden implied a travel ban would be harmful: “If we do things that are going to make it harder to stop the epidemic there, it’s going to spread to other parts of—”

Ms. Kelly interjected, asking how keeping citizens from the affected regions out of America would make it harder to stop Ebola in Africa.

“Because you can’t get people in and out.”

“Why can’t we have charter flights?”

“You know, charter flights don’t do the same thing commercial airliners do.”

“What do you mean? They fly in and fly out.”

Dr. Frieden replied that limiting travel between African nations would slow relief efforts. “If we isolate these countries, what’s not going to happen is disease staying there. It’s going to spread more all over Africa and we’ll be at higher risk.”

Later in the interview, Ms. Kelly noted that we still have airplanes coming into the U.S. from Liberia, with passengers expected to self-report Ebola exposure.

Dr. Frieden responded: “Ultimately the only way—and you may not like this—but the only way we will get our risk to zero here is to stop the outbreak in Africa.”

Ms. Kelly said yes, that’s why we’re sending troops. But why can’t we do that and have a travel ban?

“If it spreads more in Africa, it’s going to be more of a risk to us here. Our only goal is protecting Americans—that’s our mission. We do that by protecting people here and by stopping threats abroad. That protects Americans.”

Dr. Frieden’s logic was a bit of a heart-stopper. In fact his responses were more non sequiturs than answers. We cannot ban people at high risk of Ebola from entering the U.S. because people in West Africa have Ebola, and we don’t want it to spread. Huh?

In testimony before Congress Thursday, Dr. Frieden was not much more straightforward. His answers often sound like filibusters: long, rolling paragraphs of benign assertion, advertising slogans—“We know how to stop Ebola,” “Our focus is protecting people”—occasionally extraneous data, and testimony to the excellence of our health-care professionals.

It is my impression that everyone who speaks for the government on this issue has been instructed to imagine his audience as anxious children. It feels like how the pediatrician talks to the child, not the parents. It’s as if they’ve been told: “Talk, talk, talk, but don’t say anything. Clarity is the enemy.”

The language of government now is word-spew.

Dr. Frieden did not explain his or the government’s thinking on the reasons for opposition to a travel ban. On the other hand, he noted that the government will consider all options in stopping the virus from spreading here, so perhaps that marks the beginning of a possible concession.

It is one thing that Dr. Frieden, and those who are presumably making the big decisions, have been so far incapable of making a believable and compelling case for not instituting a ban. A separate issue is how poor a decision it is. To call it childish would be unfair to children. In fact, if you had a group of 11-year-olds, they would surely have a superior answer to the question: “Sick people are coming through the door of the house, and we are not sure how to make them well. Meanwhile they are starting to make us sick, too. What is the first thing to do?”

The children would reply: “Close the door.” One would add: “Just for a while, while you figure out how to treat everyone getting sick.” Another might say: “And keep going outside the door in protective clothing with medical help.” Eleven-year-olds would get this one right without a lot of struggle.

If we don’t momentarily close the door to citizens of the affected nations, it is certain that more cases will come into the U.S. It is hard to see how that helps anyone. Closing the door would be no guarantee of safety—nothing is guaranteed, and the world is porous. But it would reduce risk and likelihood, which itself is worthwhile.

Africa, by the way, seems to understand this. The Associated Press on Thursday reported the continent’s health-care officials had limited the threat to only five countries with the help of border controls, travel restrictions, and aggressive and sophisticated tracking.

All of which returns me to my thoughts the past few weeks. Back then I’d hear the official wordage that doesn’t amount to a logical thought, and the unspoken air of “We don’t want to panic you savages,” and I’d look at various public officials and muse: “Who do you think you are?”

Now I think, “Who do they think we are?”

Does the government think if America is made to feel safer, she will forget the needs of the Ebola nations? But Americans, more than anyone else, are the volunteers, altruists and in a few cases saints who go to the Ebola nations to help. And they were doing it long before the Western media was talking about the disease, and long before America was experiencing it.

At the Ebola hearings Thursday, Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) said, I guess to the American people: “Don’t panic.” No one’s panicking—except perhaps the administration, which might explain its decisions.

Is it always the most frightened people who run around telling others to calm down?

This week the president canceled a fundraiser and returned to the White House to deal with the crisis. He made a statement and came across as about three days behind the story—“rapid response teams” and so forth. It reminded some people of the statement in July, during another crisis, of the president’s communications director, who said that when a president rushes back to Washington, it “can have the unintended consequence of unduly alarming the American people.” Yes, we’re such sissies. Actually, when Mr. Obama eschews a fundraiser to go to his office to deal with a public problem we are not scared, only surprised.

But again, who do they think we are? You gather they see us as poor, panic-stricken people who want a travel ban because we’re beside ourselves with fear and loathing. Instead of practical, realistic people who are way ahead of our government.

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #178 on: October 17, 2014, 08:55:49 AM »
there is no argument...
I just wanted to know the death toll of people in the US with ebola since august... Why is this such a difficult task

Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?  What is your point?

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #179 on: October 17, 2014, 08:58:28 AM »
Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?  What is your point?

His point is that there is never anything wrong EVEr in the handling of anything w the Obola Admn - now lets talk about trayvon and palin

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #180 on: October 17, 2014, 09:25:36 AM »
Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?  What is your point?

This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise.  He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.
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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2014, 09:28:41 AM »
Wtf is up with all these Czars... which mostly turn out to be corrupt, incompetent cronies that Obama doesnt listen to anyway....

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #182 on: October 17, 2014, 09:30:13 AM »
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Obama: We'll Keep Ebola Out by Letting West Africans In
CNS News ^  | October 17, 2014 | Susan Jones

Posted on ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎13‎:‎25‎ ‎AM by McGruff

"I don't have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban, if that is the thing that is going to keep the American people safe," President Obama said on Thursday.

Obama said the experts have advised him that it's more effective to let West Africans into the U.S. than it would be to keep them out.

"The problem is that in all the discussions I've had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease, is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting, that involve screening passengers who are coming from West Africa."

Obama said it's important to continue screening West Africans before they get on planes and then after they arrive in the U.S. to see if they're showing signs of disease. Sick people should get medical evaluations, he said. And people who are not sick should list their contact information.

"If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols that we put in place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information. They may engage in something called broken travel, essentially breaking up their trip, so they can hide the fact that they have been to one of these countries where the disease is in place. And as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease. They're less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly. And as a consequence we could end up having more cases rather than less."

Obama said if his medical experts come back to him and recommend additional precautions, "I assure you, we will do it, but it is important in these circumstances for us to look at the history of how these infectious diseases are best dealt with. And it is currently the judgment of all those, involved that a flat-out travel ban is not the best way to go. But we will continue to monitor this. I'm asking these questions.

"If in fact it turns out I'm getting different answers, then I will share them with the American people. We will not hesitate to do what's necessary in order to maximize the chances that we avoid an outbreak here in the United States..."

Obama said he understands that "people are worried" about Ebola. "But what I want to emphasize once again is that right now, we got one individual who came in with the disease. We have two nurses who have been diagnosed with the disease as a consequence of in some fashion being exposed during treatment. And what remains true is that this is not an airborne disease. It has not easy to catch. You can only catch it through being in contact with the bodily fluids of an individual who not only has the disease, but also is showing symptoms of the disease.

"And so it's important, I think, for all of us to keep perspective in terms of how we handle this. We are taking this very seriously at the highest levels, starting with me."

Obama said it's especially important for health care workers to "have more confidence" as flu season arrives, and people with fever come into hospitals across the country. "There may be false alarms and concerns," Obama said.

"And so we're going to spend a lot of time working with our public health workers to make sure that they feel safe and adequately protected. But I want to assure the American people, we're taking this seriously. But this is something that is really hard to catch. And if we do what we need to do, and we stay focused, then this is going to be something that is contained here."

Dozens of U.S. lawmakers, both Republicans and Democrats, have urged President Obama to block travelers from West Africa from entering the United States.

Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) said Thursday that he is "putting my foot down" and will introduce a bill restricting all commercial flights from traveling to and from Ebola-affected countries until the virus is contained and no longer a threat.

"This legislation is a more serious approach to preventing Ebola from further infiltrating our homeland," Ross said in a statement on his website.

"Airport security screening is a complete smoke and mirror approach to the virus and Americans aren’t buying it. I urge my colleagues to sign onto this legislation and hope Speaker Boehner will quickly call Congress back into session to debate my legislation.”

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #183 on: October 17, 2014, 09:30:37 AM »
Why are you asking a question you know the answer to?  What is your point?

i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #184 on: October 17, 2014, 09:32:14 AM »
This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise.  He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.

lol.. blacks and cops...

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #185 on: October 17, 2014, 09:32:51 AM »
i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...

Oh the irony.  
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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #186 on: October 17, 2014, 09:34:39 AM »
i didnt know.. i was asking a question to these guys... now if the answer doesnt play to their opinion... thats on them...

But the answer is obvious and you already know it.  What point are you trying to make?

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« Reply #187 on: October 17, 2014, 09:36:07 AM »
This is the guy who thinks cops are out hunting for black males even when every statistic says otherwise.  He picks and chooses the statistics he pays attention to.

whats my motive for asking this stat?

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« Reply #188 on: October 17, 2014, 09:38:30 AM »
whats my motive for asking this stat?

Who cares what your motivation is.  The fact that you feel entitled to reference statistics as an argument is an act of utter hypocrisy.  You lost the right to make that argument.
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« Reply #189 on: October 17, 2014, 09:39:52 AM »
But the answer is obvious and you already know it.  What point are you trying to make?

We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...

And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..

The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.

but feel free to carry on

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #190 on: October 17, 2014, 09:41:34 AM »
We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...

And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..

The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.

but feel free to carry on

Because dipshit - look what happened in West Africa as this thing spread?  They started out w only a few cases too remember and that drug addicted homo president we have said it would NEVER come here remember?

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« Reply #191 on: October 17, 2014, 09:41:53 AM »
We go full retard with the hysteria right? Were going hard with the "outbreak Scnerio" (for whatever reason)
So i wanted to confirm everyones understanding of the stats...

And so far, hang nail has killed more people on the US than Ebola..

The stats dont jive with the rhetoric.

but feel free to carry on

Do you even realize how you sound?  Remember this advice next time you melt down from racism hysteria.
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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #192 on: October 17, 2014, 09:42:29 AM »
Who cares what your motivation is.  The fact that you feel entitled to reference statistics as an argument is an act of utter hypocrisy.  You lost the right to make that argument.

haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...


bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #193 on: October 17, 2014, 09:44:01 AM »
haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...


bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts

LMFAO - data driven.   lol!!!! 

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #194 on: October 17, 2014, 09:44:20 AM »
Because dipshit - look what happened in West Africa as this thing spread?  They started out w only a few cases too remember and that drug addicted homo president we have said it would NEVER come here remember?

check border states.
Nigeria.
1 Confirmed death attributed to Ebola...


My man goin super hard for one death. in a month...

bro kill yourself

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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #195 on: October 17, 2014, 09:44:31 AM »
haha... thats how you feel...sorry bro. But i have no clue who you are, but everyone on this thread knows that im data driven. Now just because you and i have a disagreement (which seriously dont even remember) youve made it your crusade to tell me when i can ask for a stat...


bro off yourself. Tha fuck you think this is.. "i lost the right"...
Right these nuts

You're not data driven.   You're delusional as hell, man.  Does anyone consider this fool data driven?  
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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #196 on: October 17, 2014, 09:45:30 AM »
LMFAO - data driven.   lol!!!! 

kind of like the Atlantis Letter...

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« Reply #197 on: October 17, 2014, 09:46:14 AM »
kind of like the Atlantis Letter...

you know what happens when you engage with me... i destory you and you know it

I'm still laughing over data driven.   You are seriously delusional.   
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Re: Ebola has come to America - CDC confirms first case.
« Reply #198 on: October 17, 2014, 09:47:19 AM »
kind of like the Atlantis Letter...

you know what happens when you engage with me... i destory you and you know it

LOL - yeah ok - talk to anyone - I mean anyone not on welfare and public assistance who pays for health insurance - and ask them what has happened since EbolaCare was passed?

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« Reply #199 on: October 17, 2014, 09:49:31 AM »
You're not data driven.   You're delusional as hell, man.  Does anyone consider this fool data driven?  

why am i delusional... tell me... because i said cops disproportionately target blacks?
Thats why youre mad.

If you want to discuss stats we can on another thread. But if you want to contribute to hysteria over 1 death in a month... thats just ignoring stats