10 days on the galeniko/no one diet (PICS)

[The Onion]

Why not eat 900 kcal instead of 1000 kcal, it would be even more effective!

[Simple Simon]

So any female who has muscle and is lean is bulimic? 

Why would you think that?  Have you any experience living with a woman who likes to work out and keep calories in check?

I didnt say that.

Pssst...Im not some rookie with 200 posts. 

[no one]

Agreed.

I also think for people who have gained a little bit of fat, using the jet for a few weeks and then switching to the buggy and adding a few horses is a good approach.

What I mean is its not a bad idea to go low calorie, get the level of leanness you want, then increase the calories to as high as possible without fat gain.

100%. that's the beauty of ultra low cal dieting. get in get it done get shredded and then enjoy life. pizza coronas wings and burgers.

cause once you get to a true 5-6% you really have to be eating like a glutton I mean off the rails pure gluttony  for weeks on end before you need to diet again. there's no reason you can't hold respectable condition, eat whatever you want for weeks to months on end, jump back on the system and shred down in 4 weeks again if need be.

who wants to spend multiple months dieting. lol not this kid. I got coronas to drink.

[The True Adonis]

100%. that's the beauty of ultra low cal dieting. get in get it done get shredded and then enjoy life. pizza coronas wings and burgers.

cause once you get to a true 5-6% you really have to be eating like a glutton I mean off the rails pure gluttony  for weeks on end before you need to diet again. there's no reason you can't hold respectable condition, eat whatever you want for weeks to months on end, jump back on the system and shred down in 4 weeks again if need be.

who wants to spend multiple months dieting. lol not this kid. I got coronas to drink.

I also think people are overly frightened of the whole "I am going to lose muscle" on low calories.  Its very difficult to do lose muscle if you are weight training consistently even at low calories. 

Even if you did lose muscle (which you probably won`t), you will gain whatever you lost once you adjust back up a bit in calories. 

[Akeelsolid]

Most anorexic people claim they eat a lot, its a symptom of the condition.

You have no idea what she eats, only she does.

Agree 100%, Adonis you know better, you revisited this when you rebuked, Morgan Spurlock's "Super size me" movie. Sure he (Spurlock) presumably ate all his meals on film, but the guy never released a true meal log; the girl on the video just did the opposite. To me, this individual is just wanting attention and trying to get famous.- just my view

[visualizeperfection]

I never made an excuse. You tried to discredit me by showing posts where I had differing weights, pre and post surgery. I explained WHY my weight fluctuated during those times. I am quite comfortable at my current weight and body fat. I never once stated I'm having issues with achieving my goals. Quite the contrary, I stated clearly that I thought your proposed idea of crash dieting on 1000 calories per day is nonsense, unhealthy and the least productive way to get to and maintain whatever weight you want.


Edited: I never said I knew it all either, as evidenced by you copying my questions from the Nutrition and Steroid boards. I simply disagree with your methodology. You take it as a personal attack, which is fine, as you have nothing but the 'fame' of GetBig to cling to.
You are an incredibly sad individual.

Haha. TL;DR.


Essentially.....


You don't know your twat from a hole in your ass.

[anabolichalo]

good work sir. 10 days. but the diet doesnt work. we need more proof!

fuck everyone wants to be sold a magic bean. lets not get off our lazy asses and try it - sell me on it. motivate me. make me a believer.

I ain't got time for that shit.

your training program is also a magic bean


there is no system


there is only traing diet and drugs

[Thin Lizzy]

You get fat via a caloric surplus.

You lose fat via a calorie deficit.

The bigger the deficit, the greater the fat loss.

No One and Gal's diet works because it's logically sound.

[TheGrinch]

any no one meal daily meal plan examples??

[BigRo]

100%. that's the beauty of ultra low cal dieting. get in get it done get shredded and then enjoy life. pizza coronas wings and burgers.

cause once you get to a true 5-6% you really have to be eating like a glutton I mean off the rails pure gluttony  for weeks on end before you need to diet again. there's no reason you can't hold respectable condition, eat whatever you want for weeks to months on end, jump back on the system and shred down in 4 weeks again if need be.

who wants to spend multiple months dieting. lol not this kid. I got coronas to drink.

there are much nicer beers, maybe not in the states.

[visualizeperfection]

there are much nicer beers, maybe not in the states.

We have access to all your beers + more. Its America for gods sake. (Canada included).

Corona is good beer, anywhere.

[BigRo]

Corona is only nice when very cold so you cant tell its piss water, same with gay coors light!

[Coach is Back!]

agreed with the second statement.

will respectuflly rebuttal the first.

why would you feed fat? all you need are enough cals to preserve and/or create an enviroment where the tissue can repair/ grow, and enough cals to provide the energy to train.

weve all been down this road before, and we all have differing ideologies. 'euology' represents what happens when you diet by the '10x bodyweight' rule- overeating and 5 months of inefficient dieting to lose 11lbs of bf. thats what the 10x bodyweight rule gets you.

like TA says in his above post, all roads lead to rome- you can chose to get there in a horse and buggy or a jet.

im not about making a career of either dieting, building tissue, or developing a highly functional, highly efficient musculature. my ideas work, they get the results i say they do and they do it quickly.

there is nothing new under the sun. what there are is better, faster, more efficient ways of doing things. thats what i like and thats what i strive for and thats what i pass on to others who might be interested in the same- much like EC is- 10 days in the system and shredded.

Again, it comes down to breaking down the calories into macros and not just calories as a whole. It's also depends on what the activity is. In this case (fat) I would adjust the macros high protein, lower carbs (not zero) and higher fat. If it were an athlete trying to lose weight, Higher carbs, med protein, lower in fat. Macros are always adjusted with activity. I would never go low carb, low fat except in the case of bodybuilding. Those are just some examples.

What foods are you going to choose? Absorption? Digestion, nutrient dense? What's the timing going to be? What micros will cancel out one another?

[Ex Coelis]

your proposed idea of crash dieting on 1000 calories per day is nonsense, unhealthy and the least productive way to get to and maintain whatever weight you want.

"proposed"  

this isn't some hypothetical diet in the R&D stages

this is tested and proven - cock solid fact

do it or don't

[no one]

there are much nicer beers, maybe not in the states.

oh my friend. when it's 28* and sunny nothing is better than an ice cold corona w lemon. drink those like water.

a month ago I walked into the restaurant / pub where I have my cheat day and the server already is in the cooler pulling a corona out of it before I sit down. she opens it up puts a lemon wedge in it sets it in front of me and says 'nachos' w a big grin.

predictable much? funny thing is I only ever remember having her for a server once before.

I'm going to fuck her up one day and order a Guinness.

[The True Adonis]

Again, it comes down to breaking down the calories into macros and not just calories as a whole. It's also depends on what the activity is. In this case (fat) I would adjust the macros high protein, lower carbs (not zero) and higher fat. If it were an athlete trying to lose weight, Higher carbs, med protein, lower in fat. Macros are always adjusted with activity. I would never go low carb, low fat except in the case of bodybuilding. Those are just some examples.

What foods are you going to choose? Absorption? Digestion, nutrient dense? What's the timing going to be? What micros will cancel out one another?

If god wanted me to have muscles, he would have just given them to me from the start.  Fuck all this working out nonsense.

[Coach is Back!]

If god wanted me to have muscles, he would have just given them to me from the start.  Fuck all this working out nonsense.

Looks like you're SOL all the way around.

[The True Adonis]

Looks like you're SOL all the way around.

Unless I.......(fill in the blank)

[no one]

Again, it comes down to breaking down the calories into macros and not just calories as a whole. It's also depends on what the activity is. In this case (fat) I would adjust the macros high protein, lower carbs (not zero) and higher fat. If it were an athlete trying to lose weight, Higher carbs, med protein, lower in fat. Macros are always adjusted with activity. I would never go low carb, low fat except in the case of bodybuilding. Those are just some examples.

What foods are you going to choose? Absorption? Digestion, nutrient dense? What's the timing going to be? What micros will cancel out one another?

I agree w this esp your take on the 'nutritional' function of the cal vs the activity level/ demands of the athlete, something I've been paying very close attention to as of late.

but it kind of goes to reinforce my stance - you don't need high cals to get sufficient nutrients based on your activity level. as strictly a sedentary bber (aren't they all) you can pack a lot of density in 1000-1200 cal and in the case of bigger guys like myself up to 1500 some days which this type of diet is geared towards given the forum we are on. bbers imo grossly overeat when either dieting or gaining. most don't have the physical demands to require the cals they are taking in. I've proven I myself and others eliminating cals gives faster more efficient results w the same ability to perform 'work'.

if we were on a different forum I'd have markedly different ideas on cal intakes, esp given my own activity level which has a very high caloric demand at times.

I'm still trying to figure that ideal cal imput out for myself. it took me 20 years to figure out the bbing end of it. I don't have 20 years to figure out my athletic demands end of it.

I'm experimenting a ketogenic diet and prolonged HIT cardio and training. I went hypo today after 3 days w no carbs and very moderate activity. I was hoping keto could offer a virtually limitless fuel source (body fat combined w how fast some fats are metabolized for fuel) when I'm pushing myself cardio wise but it seems that keto and HIT cardio might not work out. it's frustrating- spend 3 days getting into keto then go hypo w out even pushing the throttle, so I need to eat carbs kick myself out ahd go thru the lag again and hope I don't go hypo until I'm 100% functioning keto?

I know conventional wisdom says 'carbs' for endurance athletes. but I'm not big on conventionality as you can tell from my ideologies. I just want to see if it's 100% necessary and the most efficient fuel source but fuck if I can get in and stay in that problematic in and of itself.

[visualizeperfection]

"proposed"  

this isn't some hypothetical diet in the R&D stages

this is tested and proven - cock solid fact

do it or don't

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[no one]

"proposed"  

this isn't some hypothetical diet in the R&D stages

this is tested and proven - cock solid fact

do it or don't

BOOM!

[almard]

eat less carbs, and you ll get leaner, wow really rocket science.

not really that simple...

[Ex Coelis]

this "Euterpe" fella knows his stuff

[deceiver]

"Several people have claimed that metabolic adaptation only accounts for a 15% change in metabolic rate and that you should just go back to your pre-diet maintenance post diet. A study by Dr. Jeremy Loenneke Dr. Lindy Rossow and Dr. Chris Fahs demonstrated a reduction in metabolic rate from 2424 kcal/day to 1283 kcal/day during contest prep in a bodybuilder who's intake was well monitored and had regular assessments done. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685
Finally, if metabolic adaptation of metabolic rate is not significant, then increasing calories back to pre diet maintenance will not result in significant weight gain... good luck with that."

In other words: unless you're on good stack of drugs and you are arleady lean GL with this diet.

[Simple Simon]

"Several people have claimed that metabolic adaptation only accounts for a 15% change in metabolic rate and that you should just go back to your pre-diet maintenance post diet. A study by Dr. Jeremy Loenneke Dr. Lindy Rossow and Dr. Chris Fahs demonstrated a reduction in metabolic rate from 2424 kcal/day to 1283 kcal/day during contest prep in a bodybuilder who's intake was well monitored and had regular assessments done. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685
Finally, if metabolic adaptation of metabolic rate is not significant, then increasing calories back to pre diet maintenance will not result in significant weight gain... good luck with that."

In other words: unless you're on good stack of drugs and you are arleady lean GL with this diet.

I diet on 1200 cals, I eat around 2500 to 3000 cals normally and I dont get fat.