I get tired of eating so much meat

[the trainer]

For those of you who are talking about you can get fat from a healty diet of course if you force feed and over eat you will get fat no matter what you eat, but anybody who says that a big mac fries and coke is the same healthwise  as eating brown rice wild salmon and brocoli is either trolling or simply a dumbfuck.

[kh300]

So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.

[The True Adonis]

So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.

There are no preservatives or chemicals in Mcdonald`s beef.  Hope this helps.

[Var City]

For those of you who are talking about you can get fat from a healty diet of course if you force feed and over eat you will get fat no matter what you eat, but anybody who says that a big mac fries and coke is the same healthwise  as eating brown rice wild salmon and brocoli is either trolling or simply a dumbfuck.

I agree with you there

For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks

Healthy food is better

That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side

And in that respect he is right and you aren't

However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!

But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here

[no one]

Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
 Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?

none of this I am debating.

you said people are fat because of fast food.

I said they are fat because they over eat.

answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.

do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

[The True Adonis]

So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/are-there-fillers-or-preservatives-in-your-beef.html
No, our burgers are made using only 100% USDA-inspected beef. There are no fillers, extenders, preservatives or so-called 'pink slime' in our beef.

The only thing we add is a small amount of salt and pepper at the grill to bring out flavor. Feel free to order without salt and pepper if that's what you prefer.

Learn more about how our burgers are made.

[The True Adonis]

I agree with you there

For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks

Healthy food is better

That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side

And in that respect he is right and you aren't

However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!

But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here

Eating a Big Mac has less cholesterol than a steak.  Eating a steak a day or a Big Mac a day, I would go with the Big Mac a day in terms of overall health.  More nutrients in the Big Mac as well due to the bread, lettuce and Big Mac Sauce, pickles etc...  Plus its less caloric and less cholesterol.

[deceiver]

none of this I am debating.

you said people are fat because of fast food.

I said they are fat because they over eat.

answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.

do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

He will say it is impossible to eat 5k calories from a caveman diet. Which is bullshit but hey, I just spared him couple of minutes. Then you will ask again and he will meltdown.

It is always like that.

[che]

McDonald's is fucking disgusting .

[Var City]

none of this I am debating.

you said people are fat because of fast food.

I said they are fat because they over eat.

answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.

do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

This is the end game

However I just want to point out that a somewhat healthy diet is obviously better for your health regardless if it is equal in calories to mcdonalds for that day

Not trying to even argue with u no one

Pointing this out so some idiot here doesn't go off and eat only chipotle for the next year

[The True Adonis]

McDonald's is fucking disgusting .

Not as disgusting as eating live Octopus which can kill you.

Now this is an unprocessed food that is clearly dangerous to eat.  If you ate this everyday, you would die eventually as you would most likely choke.  Plus, its not very healthy even though its unprocessed.

[the trainer]

I agree with you there

For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks

Healthy food is better

That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side

And in that respect he is right and you aren't

However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!

But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here

One of the main reasons I dont talk about gear is because here on getbig people think its all about the drugs if you are juicing  then you dont have to watch your diet and you dont have to train hard when in fact its the opposite.

On steroids you  should be watching your diet even more cause since it increases protein synthesis you should be eating the best foods possible and since its causes you to recover faster you should be training harder like a madman in the gym.

[no one]

so you lose muscle if you don't eat carbs? what mechanism causes this?

I have eaten just carbs several times. today for example. I've had maybe 25grams of protein. I'm full and vascular. how much muscle will I lose today if I don't eat anymore protein? on ounce? 2 ounces?

what does any of this have to do with me needing x amount of protein every x amount of minutes?

keep going your doing great.  

bump for trainer.

[Var City]

One of the main reasons I dont talk about gear is because here on getbig people think its all about the drugs if you are juicing  then you dont have to watch your diet and you dont have to train hard when in fact its the opposite.

On steroids you  should be watching your diet even more cause since it increases protein synthesis you should be eating the best foods possible and since its causes you to recover faster you should be training harder like a madman in the gym.

fair enough.

i don't know shit about increasing protein synthesis etc' in regards to gear. but certainly, watching your diet and committing to training is important. however, my point that i didn't get to because we weren't ready yet, but now we are since you've said this, is that you continually push SUPPLEMENTS in GIFs and writing on this site.

That's ENTIRELY contradictory to your above posts... The supplements you post are 99% AWFUL for your body. Do you know what is in shit like nano vapor and what not? It's fucking garbage trainer. And I do agree with you however that on gear many people do slip off with their diet, and after the age of roughly 27 you can't exactly do that on AAS alone without HGH (from my experience).

Also, you realize a huge amount of this board is very experienced with gear? Gal was. Noone is. I am..... Widow is. NJFLEX is. And many many many more (i didn't even get into the competitors like enzo, or the guys who work like skorp and maintain good physiques on relatively low doses. Even bigMC for all his recent faggatry knows about gear. And so does Simon. As does temper and pellius ... etc' you get my point. that's off the top of my head in 15 seconds).

So why not get real? If you are who you say you are (which is highly doubtful because Junior says he met you and you are real, meaning you don't exist), then talk about gear? you're doing more damage with your propogating bullshit diatribes on cave men diets and supplement shilling than you would if you would just speak up about what someone that is 250 @ 6% or whatever is on gear wise? that's what i want to know. your cycle information.

Until then, you're just running in place.

[no one]

drugs are made from plants not from the pharmacy. as natural as any other processed product.

no need to wonder: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=551524.0

you are the irresponsible idiot here.

show me the studies that prove a vegetarian diet is better than a gluten/vegetable oil/sugar free, meat-based diet ('caveman' diet).

fuck your 'stuff' and organic is bullshit.

brown rice is an extremely high acid food, and there is absolutely no nutritive value.

euterpe using trainer as a teaching tool now. good stuff.

trainer getting passed around and used like a jailhouse queen.

[Var City]

and the trainer has gone missing once shit got tangible

probably off frantically google searching

[no one]

maybe he realised it was 93 minutes since he last ingested 32.346 grams of protein and he had to go eat? 

[Var City]

maybe he realised it was 93 minutes since he last ingested 32.346 grams of protein elephant semen and he had to go eat? 

fixed

[no one]

fixed

I actually lold

[BodyConnoisseur]

Strictly following IIFYM neglects crucial elements such as the types of fats you are taking in, the types of carbohydrates you are ingesting, micronutrients, vitamins and minerals. Sure IIFYM can help maintain an aesthetic physique, but in the long run, it can be harmful to the body. Eating the wrong types of foods can cause increased inflammation in your body and interrupt the way the body functions, causing increased joint pain, degeneration and a host of other avoidable health issues.

Here are two great opposing examples of macro nutrition in bodybuilding and fitness from my personal life to explain my rationale. Body Builder 1 is an IFBB pro who follows a form of IIFYM in the offseason. He looks phenomenal every single day, but has never reached his full potential because his diet lacks certain essentials. He eats cupcakes, cookies, and anything he can get his hands on as long as he hits his macros for the day with the rest of his diet. This same bodybuilder has had kidney stones multiple times and who knows what other health issues are brewing and how long he has left in his competition days. On the other hand, Body Builder 2 is also an IFBB pro, not only eats clean 90-95% of the time through every year, he also emphasizes the quality of the food choices he makes. This guy is going to be competing in the Olympia Competition for many years to come, baring any major hindrance to his health.

[no one]

dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.

[Disgusted]

There are no preservatives or chemicals in Mcdonald`s beef.  Hope this helps.

It doesn't "help" as there meat has other crap and by products in it and the process at which they make it doesn't look to appealing to me. I never eat that shit and never will.

[The True Adonis]

Strictly following IIFYM neglects crucial elements such as the types of fats you are taking in, the types of carbohydrates you are ingesting, micronutrients, vitamins and minerals. Sure IIFYM can help maintain an aesthetic physique, but in the long run, it can be harmful to the body. Eating the wrong types of foods can cause increased inflammation in your body and interrupt the way the body functions, causing increased joint pain, degeneration and a host of other avoidable health issues.

Here are two great opposing examples of macro nutrition in bodybuilding and fitness from my personal life to explain my rationale. Body Builder 1 is an IFBB pro who follows a form of IIFYM in the offseason. He looks phenomenal every single day, but has never reached his full potential because his diet lacks certain essentials. He eats cupcakes, cookies, and anything he can get his hands on as long as he hits his macros for the day with the rest of his diet. This same bodybuilder has had kidney stones multiple times and who knows what other health issues are brewing and how long he has left in his competition days. On the other hand, Body Builder 2 is also an IFBB pro, not only eats clean 90-95% of the time through every year, he also emphasizes the quality of the food choices he makes. This guy is going to be competing in the Olympia Competition for many years to come, baring any major hindrance to his health.

Irrelevant and stupid scenario crafted to meet your biased agenda.

Here is mine.

Bodybuilder A eats "clean" and develops cancer.  Bodybuilder A then gets liver disease and dies.  Oh well.

[Var City]

dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.

this x 100000

noone actually officially knows what he's talkin  about in my book now and that's 100%

because i'm not a pro

and i have a real job

but those who know me. know i'm on the other side of the industry. and dialaudid, roxy (or per 30s), oxy 80s, endocets, norcos, vicodin, regular percs, darvocet, even tramadol are taken a HELL of a lot more than AAS/hgh/peptides on a daily basis by competitors

that's how they beat the sides. and they get addicted quick. think supplier's only sell AAS for a second and you're fooling yourself. not all. but top top.... i'm done with this post.

just sayin. no one: officially good people. i apologize for any words i said to you when i was trolling before

[The True Adonis]

It doesn't "help" as there meat has other crap and by products in it and the process at which they make it doesn't look to appealing to me. I never eat that shit and never will.

We have been through this before and it seems you DID NOT pay attention.

There are no by-products in their meat for the 100030439549349 time.  Do I need to bump all the threads discussing this.  Hopefully you get it by now.