Dorian Yates cycle

[Simple Simon]

That's why you take ten different drugs and peptides and whatever the druggies can get their hands on.

You are just showing your ignorance now.

Its because they take more than me thats why they are better than me, you all over mate.

[BigRo]

your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.

[Simple Simon]

your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.

and you seem to think that no one can achieve more than you without taking more than you.

[BigRo]

where the fuck did I say that?

[Simple Simon]

where the fuck did I say that?

You said Spiro was talking sense, thats basically his official stance.

[Nails]

you are only as big as the amount of drugs you can afford and can get away claiming on your tax forms  

[ESFitness]

Take a look at this guy

Up to 6 grams of gear a week produced this

"this guy" was also off everything except for 300-500mg test/wk and training maybe 2x a week for 20-30mins at a time and taking in less than 2k kcals for weeks prior to the pic... not to mention down about 20-30lbs from normal walking-around weight.

yea, 6g/wk at one time... but do you believe those gains stay with you when you cut down the dose and cut down the training and cut down the kcals?

look at kev levrone, look at Mustafa Mohamed, look at flex wheeler (when he went off)... I see JP Fux nearly everyday and he's a big bigger than I was 2-3 months ago (I've been "off" everything since contracting cellulitis and sepsis and was hospitalized.. I've had maybe 3 workouts since then)... JP was a fucking beast, now he's maybe running 500 test/wk and looks to weigh about 240 and lean, but gone are the lats, delts, and arms.

the whole theory of "the more you take, the better the results" is an ignorant statement.

ignorant because it's based on things you have not experienced yourself... I myself have taken a lil over 7g/wk back in '02-03 and was 247 at my heaviest (heaviest I saw on the scale) and 7% bf eating every 2 hours and running around 40iu humulin r/day.... fast forward to 2013 or so and I'm running around 6g/wk comprised mostly of test and deca (4g and 2g) and I walk around at about 235-237 eating maybe 3x/day.. maybe 4x... and eating "normal" food, like a normal person.. not a bber. pizza, mac n cheese, cheeseburgers, hot pockets, hamburger helper, ect...

now, I have customers who take about 2g and walk around at 240lbs at heights around 2-4" shorter than me, including 2 people who just set state powerlifting records (raw).

it all comes down to your response to drugs #1, and how you eat #2.

you need to EAT THE RIGHT SHIT if you want to maximize your response/results from the increased drug intake.... I'm a prime example. right now I walk around at 221-223 at 400mg test/wk.. sometimes once every 10-14 days and I've had 3 workouts since mid july, and am still at abut 8% eating maybe 2-3 'meals'/day.... that's just about 10-15lbs less and 2% more bf than I was when I was using 6g, or even 4g/wk.

[BigRo]

your 8 percent and your not dieting?

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Lol, we know how reckless bb's are. Why wouldn't they increase the dose in an attempt to gain even more muscle?  

All these guys are at their physical max, period (what their body can take). It's simply psychology. If I can be better than him, I must do whatever to surpass him.
All Pro BB's are maxed out, period.

 

[ESFitness]

your 8 percent and your not dieting?

well, by "dieting", yea, I probably am.. I'm probably taking in less kcals than I'm burning each day. I don't really pay attention.

only thing I watch is the scale, if it dips below 220/221, i'll stuff myself for a day or two with pasta or something.

shit...I doubt I take in more than 80g protein/day as well, the past few months (since I spent 3-4 days in the hospital with sepsis).

[BigRo]

8 percent is pretty dam lean though people usually exaggerate

was wondering why you were not posting much of late.

[honest]

I would like to see if they take TRT now in retirement.

1000mgs =220 in myslef maxed out

Two years later 2100mgs = 242lbs

everyones different but I would have needed more to have got to to 264lbs which is what Charles recommended i needed to be at. I was advised to double my dose to achieve it slowly over the next 24 months 12 on 4 off. I retired wasnt comfortable doing that dose for a low chance of financial reward, didnt make sense, but i seen plenty of guys with worse genetics than me turn pro using more, but I also believe the very top guys just respond better not take more.

[Simple Simon]

"this guy" was also off everything except for 300-500mg test/wk and training maybe 2x a week for 20-30mins at a time and taking in less than 2k kcals for weeks prior to the pic... not to mention down about 20-30lbs from normal walking-around weight.

yea, 6g/wk at one time... but do you believe those gains stay with you when you cut down the dose and cut down the training and cut down the kcals?

look at kev levrone, look at Mustafa Mohamed, look at flex wheeler (when he went off)... I see JP Fux nearly everyday and he's a big bigger than I was 2-3 months ago (I've been "off" everything since contracting cellulitis and sepsis and was hospitalized.. I've had maybe 3 workouts since then)... JP was a fucking beast, now he's maybe running 500 test/wk and looks to weigh about 240 and lean, but gone are the lats, delts, and arms.

the whole theory of "the more you take, the better the results" is an ignorant statement.

ignorant because it's based on things you have not experienced yourself... I myself have taken a lil over 7g/wk back in '02-03 and was 247 at my heaviest (heaviest I saw on the scale) and 7% bf eating every 2 hours and running around 40iu humulin r/day.... fast forward to 2013 or so and I'm running around 6g/wk comprised mostly of test and deca (4g and 2g) and I walk around at about 235-237 eating maybe 3x/day.. maybe 4x... and eating "normal" food, like a normal person.. not a bber. pizza, mac n cheese, cheeseburgers, hot pockets, hamburger helper, ect...

now, I have customers who take about 2g and walk around at 240lbs at heights around 2-4" shorter than me, including 2 people who just set state powerlifting records (raw).

it all comes down to your response to drugs #1, and how you eat #2.

you need to EAT THE RIGHT SHIT if you want to maximize your response/results from the increased drug intake.... I'm a prime example. right now I walk around at 221-223 at 400mg test/wk.. sometimes once every 10-14 days and I've had 3 workouts since mid july, and am still at abut 8% eating maybe 2-3 'meals'/day.... that's just about 10-15lbs less and 2% more bf than I was when I was using 6g, or even 4g/wk.

No, no you wasnt, you keep repeating this over and over and I think you have convinced yourself its true

The pic above is you, its always been you, you just dont look any different than that.

[Simple Simon]

your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.

Ignorant people look at you and just say "all drugs", they dont take into account everything else you do to look like you.
To say its all down to dosage the way the pros look is exactly the same.

[BigRo]

I would definitely not say its all down to dosage, however I would say most of them do the 'pro stack'

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Simple fact: drugs help. Then why on earth wouldn't they take more drugs to beat the competition?


Because the point of deminising gains is at 1.5 grams? okay.   lol please add scientific evidence.

[thebrink]

Simple fact: drugs help. Then why on earth wouldn't they take more drugs to beat the competition?

because of principle or morality.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

because of principle or morality.

Hahahahhahahaha, morality in pro bb.  

1 gram is okay but 1.5 isn't?  Where's the morality in that?

[spiro]

We got guys here claiming people go pro on less than a g of gear no peptides And im being  ridicolud

[ChristopherA]

GOOD LORD,,,

It's fashionable now to throw Dorian under the bus, saying he ushered in the era of mass monsters. That he had a bloated gut, at least in later years, etc. etc. Yes, he was huge but just look at that picture. His structure was world class, as good as it gets. Probably one of the reasons he was able to pile on so much size and still look good. I didnt really like his build after '92, even though everyone considers '93 his benchmark. The package he presented in winning the British Championship's was amazing, flawless you might say. Lying waist! Tiny waist with perfectly shaped, symetrical abs. Legs had the seperate on he list in later years and again, amazing shape. His shape and structure get lost in discussions about him. Maybe because of the tears and the growth of his stomach in later years

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

We got guys here claiming people go pro on less than a g of gear no peptides And im being  ridicolud

These guys take everything they can to beat the rest, end of story. 

[Earl1972]

couple of irrelevant bodybuilders trying to stay relevant.

irrelevant to who?  is barry bonds not relevant anymore because he doesn't play?

legends are legends forever, when they speak people listen

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[ESFitness]

No, no you wasnt, you keep repeating this over and over and I think you have convinced yourself its true

The pic above is you, its always been you, you just dont look any different than that.

so, you knew me in 2002 and 2003? lol... you don't know me, you never have. you pick out pics of when I was small and lean and post them saying "this is what 6g does!" when anybody with ANY experience with AAS can tell you that's not what 6g would look like.. where's the bloat? 4gs of test and 2gs of deca and no bloat? lol.. oh.. maybe you'll say it was 6g's of "non-bloating" drugs like mast or tren.. then why aren't I grainy? and hard? and vascular? and red?... anybody can see the pics you post and see that's a mostly 'un-trained' physique that's on possibly 500 test/wk. why don't you post the pics that I posted? most of which were at around 3g/wk plus 20+ lbs... oh, that's right, that won't help your little "point"... pathetic for a 50yr old man who'd get his teeth kicked in if he spoke to anybody in person the way he "speaks" on this message board.

[local hero]

I don't know Yates, but I know several from that era at the top level who are actualy honest, they all more or less used the same things, and the same kind of doses... Was quite alot in each case, that's all I have to say on this...

[Van_Bilderass]

It would be really hard for someone like Dorian or Levrone to be completely honest
about everything they did during their careers, even if they were known to be "straight shooters"
and so on. Because it's hard to admit to self-destructive and almost suicidal behaviors. I believe that the guys chasing the Mr O title would be willing to take quite a bit of risk to achieve their goal, and many of them have mental problems like depression as it is which can make them reckless and desperate.
Some things are likely left out. Now let's say Dorian did say DNP, Nubain, GHB, IV diuretics or any other "dangerous and extreme" stuff along with experimentation with megadoses of gear to see what it does - would he likely include that in his disclosures? Unlikely. Say Levrone did about 500mg of orals leading up to the Mr O along with a bottle of whiskey, would he tell the whole truth and extent of it? Unlikely.
And who thinks Shawn Ray will be "open"? I doubt anyone lol.

Bodybuilding can be said to be mostly genetics. The amount of muscle fibers you are born with, the shape of the muscle bellies, the response and tolerance to drugs. But I believe the Dorian cycle of 300mg prop/150mg tren/8iu of GH and some other mild shit leading up to the O is not quite the whole truth.

Remember the trends in the increased test dosages, insulin and GH during Dorian's reign? You think someone like him is going to be left behind when he hears what Munzer or Benaziza or Nasser is doing? Bodybuilders always gossip about what everyone else is doing, and if they can't do it for some reason, they complain of unfair advantage like with Levrone and him crying about Chad's athletes circumventing the diuretic test.

Does this pic look like that of a mild user, regardless of genetics?