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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #100 on: October 07, 2014, 07:11:01 PM »
Yep, it is useless, I heard Dorian used to go to his bedroom to hook himself up to a dialysis machine for 2 hours every day

He was actually napping.  ::)

Hey this is gossip and opinions. I personally know two guys who have used 30ius of GH daily for extended periods of time. I've seen what it has done to them both in terms of building muscle and side effects. Of course the pros would never use such doses since they are the genetic elite and have such a great work ethic.  ::)

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #101 on: October 07, 2014, 07:16:46 PM »
Van b and disgusted putting some common sense into this thread....

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« Reply #102 on: October 07, 2014, 07:20:29 PM »
Ya I thought the bodybuilders of the 80s were the ones to really take things to the limits. I still can't believe some people on here are still so gullible to think these guys wouldn't push the envelope as hard as they can. It's their profession their whole life. I can't tell if some of you are just full of shit or you're purposely trying to lie for some weird reason.


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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #103 on: October 07, 2014, 08:15:04 PM »
Its like this, get your diet spot on, make sure you're training well and you are getting enough rest, if you then add in the drugs then the magic happens.

What some people then tend to do is think, fuck it, Im on gear now , I can be a bit slack with diet and training, after all, I look fantastic.

Dorian was meticulous with everything, thats why he made improvements and was ahead of the game.

None of his competitors at the time took it a s seriously as he did.

Now people want to attribute all he achieved to "Oh he took the most drugs"


Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on  ::) training well? WTF  ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town.  :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!

If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.

Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses  ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles.  ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.  

Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If  you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.

So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #104 on: October 07, 2014, 08:22:20 PM »

Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on  ::) training well? WTF  ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town.  :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!

If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.

Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses  ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles.  ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.  

Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If  you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.

So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2014, 08:33:22 PM »
If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport. 

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2014, 08:36:38 PM »
Hey this is gossip and opinions. I personally know two guys who have used 30ius of GH daily for extended periods of time. I've seen what it has done to them both in terms of building muscle and side effects. Of course the pros would never use such doses since they are the genetic elite and have such a great work ethic.  ::)

I've had a big Canadian pro with his own training system   ::) tell me he takes 30iu of pharm a day, and has been on mega doses since he was a teenager

Obviously Dorian has a much better response  :-X

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« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2014, 08:39:44 PM »
I've had a big Canadian pro with his own training system   ::) tell me he takes 30iu of pharm a day, and has been on mega doses since he was a teenager

Obviously Dorian has a much better response  :-X

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2014, 08:59:57 PM »
Disgusted do you run TRT and at what dose or do you still do the occasional small cycle, or do you train naturally these days.

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« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2014, 09:11:45 PM »
Disgusted do you run TRT and at what dose or do you still do the occasional small cycle, or do you train naturally these days.

Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2014, 09:13:31 PM »


Looks like the kind of guy that takes hormones 'by the bottle'....

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2014, 09:33:31 PM »
Muscular Development is on its last leg, trying to stay afloat with prolevel stack talk

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2014, 10:16:43 PM »
Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2014, 11:40:30 PM »
Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.

So you are natty now at 260 and in reasonable condition?

Amazing, most pros need to be taking 4 grams a week to hold that weight.

Try and remember where you are.

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2014, 11:44:22 PM »

Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on  ::) training well? WTF  ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town.  :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!

If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.

Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses  ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles.  ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.  

Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If  you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.

So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.

Amazing, you claim its all down to how many drugs you take and are walking around at 260 natty and in reasonable shape.

I dont follow your logic.

PS, can you remember what the pertcentage was , bearing in mind you overheard the conversation?

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2014, 02:50:26 AM »
Weak trolling.  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2014, 05:46:51 AM »
It's funny how all the Dorian fans seem to know exactly what he took.  ::)
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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2014, 06:09:04 AM »
Quote from: Big A
This is the truth:

If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.

Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that.

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Hello, I have read this forum for years now and always found it an amusing source of entertainment. lately, though, i have been frustrated with the idiotic misinformation spread by self proclaimed pseudo gurus such as gh15. I'm here to provide a source of realistic knowledge as to the true hormone usage in the upper echelons of competitive bodybuilding.

I was a top 3 placing national competitor in my twenties. I placed second in my weight class (super heavyweight) a number of times at the national level, effectively just missing an IFBB pro card. I stopped competing because I wanted to raise a family in good health. I am still well immersed in the bodybuilding industry, and while I stopped a couple years ago, I spent nearly a decade giving hormone advice to competitors as a "guru."

What do the pros really use?
Despite what some would like to believe, not many guys go over 2-2.5 grams of test per week. The typical hormone amount of a mid-level IFBB pro is about 5-6 grams of injectable hormones per week. In addition add in various cycles of orals (usually just dianabol and anadrol - used both offseason and precontest to 'fill out'). 20+ iu's of gh is common, especially as the insulin usage increases as well. Insulin is the #1 factor in creating the biggest bodybuilders. Most successful pros are scared to eat food without using slin. Most pros are on a shitload of random peptides, not because they do a whole lot but because they want every single miniscule edge that may be possible. That means add in IGF-1, MGF and PGF into the mix. Also, they never came off. "off cycle" means being on test, eq, gh and slin.

How common is synthol?
everyone uses site enhancement oils, almost always in the biceps, calves and delts. I dont know any IFBB pro who hasnt used synthol. the whole fst-7 training protocol that is so popular today is entirely based around the usage of synthol.

What causes the 'GH GUT?'
too much insulin over a short period of time. its not intestinal enlargement pushing out the stomach walls. While there are a host of IGF-1 receptors in the intestines, the localized growth that occurs isnt enough to permanentally stretch the abdominal muscle walls, that is absurd. Excessive insulin usage over a short period of time (usually to put on 20-30lbs 6 months or a year) leads to visceral fat buildup. In addition, the constant contest yo-yo dieting combined with the massive over-eating of "bulking" leads to visceral fat buildup that is never lost because the diets dont last long enough to effect it. Add in carb loading, you will see huge guts with distention.

Is anyone really natural?
very few natural bodybuilders are actually natural. To be a high placing natural bodybuilder (in the natural leagues) you need to be at least using a fair amount of otc prohormones/designer steroids. Superdrol and pheraplex are two favorites among the natural crowd. A fair amount of naturals take 400-500mg's/week of test. These are usually the top, top guys. Anavar is also popular. Of course the guys that have been doing it for a while and still compete/market their natural physique are on 5-10 iu's of gh.

Hopefully this can clear up any misinformation that circulates on the board. Feel free to ask any questions and I may be able to answer. Finally, despite what clowns like gh15 might tell you; you cannot determine what hormones somebody is on based on what their appearance. Thats retarded. The best you could do is say 'hes watery, bloated and has a red face, maybe hes on anadrol.' Anything more than that is ignorant speculation.

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2014, 06:16:08 AM »
BB's are pretty extreme personalities.
Can imagine most pro's upping their dose even if it just means a 1% increase in muscularity.

Those massive cycles posted by the likes of BFG are probably close to the truth;

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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2014, 06:17:08 AM »
Ya I thought the bodybuilders of the 80s were the ones to really take things to the limits. I still can't believe some people on here are still so gullible to think these guys wouldn't push the envelope as hard as they can. It's their profession their whole life. I can't tell if some of you are just full of shit or you're purposely trying to lie for some weird reason.



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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2014, 08:41:19 AM »
if anyone thinks yates wasn't doing huge dosages of drugs they r blind,yes I do believe yates trained brutally hard and lived a perfect bodybuilding lifestyle as far as proper sleep and perfect diet ect and was gifted in the genetics area, but I know he did huge dosages and I don't care what he says or anyone else says.
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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2014, 08:49:10 AM »
if anyone thinks yates wasn't doing huge dosages of drugs they r blind,yes I do believe yates trained brutally hard and lived a perfect bodybuilding lifestyle as far as proper sleep and perfect diet ect and was gifted in the genetics area, but I know he did huge dosages and I don't care what he says or anyone else says.
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« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2014, 08:54:38 AM »
x2,,fanny packs weren't invented in 90's for bbers to hold lifesavers and a bic pen..

fanny packs where the shit in the 90,s ;Di had like 7 of them in my room. honestly tho I never lost my cell phone,wallet or keys wearing the fanny packs,now im always losing something ???, it was kinda the style back then so I just jumped on the bandwagon ;)
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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2014, 10:04:00 AM »

Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on  ::) training well? WTF  ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town.  :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!

If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.

Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses  ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles.  ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.  

Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If  you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.

So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
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Re: Dorian Yates cycle
« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2014, 02:13:44 PM »
http://generationiron.com/dorian-yates-open-honest-steroids/






Yates is, and has always been, the most open bodybuilder about steroids.

It’s no secret that the world of bodybuilding tries to actively avoid the topic of steroid use. We’ve touched on the issue before – with the exception of natural divisions, almost all bodybuilders use steroids. Bodybuilders hardly talk about it, the organizations hardly talk about it, they just plain ignore it. It’s refreshing then, when Dorian Yates is so open about steroids in bodybuilding and more specifically – the fact that he used steroids for most of his career.

Yates recently posted on his social media that he is in the early stages of developing an article with Muscular Development where he will candidly talk about personal steroid use with Shawn Ray and Kev Levrone. You can check it out right here:





This wouldn’t be the first time that he has worked with MD about his past, thoughts, and attitudes about steroids. The fact is that Yates has always been very open and outgoing when it comes to talking about steroids. He was even recently featured on London Real, where he talks at length over a 90 minute interview about his experiences with steroid use. He doesn’t hold back at all. Take a look at this for example:


   “Every drug has negatives but I can only speak from personal experience. I took steroids on and off from when I was competing in Amateur competitions in the British championship level up into the professional level from ’85 until ’97 when I retired. That’s 12 years of consistent use. Of course, athletes don’t use the recommended dose, they use way more than the regular dose. I can say in all that time I did get some side-effects like water retention, some acne, yes your aggression levels are higher but it depends what you do with that aggression. I took it out in the gym, I utilized it for my training.”

    - Yates talking on London Real




We, for one, can’t wait to see what Yates’ new MD article digs up. It’s a blast of fresh air to just hear someone actually talking about it. He isn’t a radical defending steroids or sending an outcry against it. He’s just being honest and stating the facts as he knows them – through personal experience. There’s a moment in the London Real interview where Dorian Yates makes a comparison to western culture’s obsession with fast food and the documentary Super Size Me. The point he makes is a pretty valid one: there are plenty of legal things, like fast food, that are far more harmful to a person’s health. Over the counter drugs and greasy fast food are common contributions to premature deaths across the board – so why is everyone so very serious about steroids?

Well, for one, there is the idea of fairness in competitions. If a person wants to lead a healthy lifestyle, they wouldn’t be able to compete at the same level as IFBB pros as it stands now. There is also much debate as to what facts are true and which ones are over-exaggerated when it comes to the damage steroids cause to the human body – so perhaps it is incorrect to label fast food and over the counter drugs in the same category. But we’re not making a statement for or against steroid use – and neither is Dorian Yates.

To borrow another quote from the London Real, Yates puts it ever-so-simply right here:



   “Personally, my advice would be, unless you’re competing, I wouldn’t really consider it.”

    - Yates talking on London Real





The problem, as Yates sees it, is that in today’s society everyone is taking steroids. People who think it can be a magic cure to big muscles and don’t put in any of the work. Back when Yates was competing, it was only the serious bodybuilding competitors who even considered using steroids as a way to maximize muscle. It wasn’t a popular drug. It was a drug used by the most serious of athletes. It’s not a shortcut – it’s an enhancement.

And that has always been part of the problem. If no one is talking about steroids, then no one is going to get a good understanding about it. The over abuse of drugs is something that has existed and will probably always exist – but with bodybuilding bigger than it has ever been and pro bodybuilders being glorified by an even bigger base of fans; there needs to be an open voice to help usher in the responsible use of steroids in bodybuilding.

It’s here to stay and if more iconic greats were open about steroid use, like Dorian Yates, maybe we would be on a better path to a more responsible and serious understanding on steroids and its place in the fitness and the bodybuilding world. Perhaps Yates’ conversational article in the upcoming Muscular Development magazine can be a good start.

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