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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2015, 06:49:14 PM »

Yes, I think that's what he wanted you to be left with when you think about crack addicts (black ones, at least).

It's interesting, because the white guy struck me as the one definite liar among the bunch, and the one person whose word couldn't be trusted. The type of guy that will stand there and lie to you without the slightest flinch. I certainly don't believe what he says, or at least that it's the whole story - by a long shot.

Seems you have much invested in the dude's dishonesty. Right on. Not sure whether that says more about him or you.

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« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2015, 06:51:16 PM »

And for the record: the producer of that doc is black.

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« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2015, 07:16:12 PM »

BTW, does anyone here agree with the Westboro Church? I've become interested in it and have watched and read everything I could find about them.

I don't plan to take a stand on it in this thread, myself, but it would be interesting to see an opinion on it from a Christian who reads and understands the Bible.

You won't take a stand on these repellant fucks, seriously?  
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« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2015, 07:58:31 PM »

Seems you have much invested in the dude's dishonesty. Right on. Not sure whether that says more about him or you.



Did you think his story made sense?
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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2015, 08:05:01 PM »

You won't take a stand on these repellant fucks, seriously?  


No, I wouldn't start anything like that (here, at least).
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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2015, 09:30:04 PM »

Did you think his story made sense?

Story did, sure, but he's a junkie, so grain of salt and all. But he at least mentioned a job and an attempt to get back on his feet. Not sure why you'd pick him as the most transparent piece of shit.

None of the others even hinted at personal responsibility or recovery. They all get a pass somehow, though, but whatever.

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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2015, 09:55:49 PM »

No, I wouldn't start anything like that (here, at least).

'God Hates Fags' and 'God Loves Dead Soldiers' (at dead soldiers' funerals, no less), but judgment here requires further consideration.

No problem, though, assuming the absolute worst about a dude who may or may not have lost a job over stolen work boots. Clearly worse than the other junkies, you suggest; and worse, still, than the monstrous picketers.

Just odd, man.





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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2015, 10:05:45 AM »

Story did, sure, but he's a junkie, so grain of salt and all. But he at least mentioned a job and an attempt to get back on his feet. Not sure why you'd pick him as the most transparent piece of shit.

None of the others even hinted at personal responsibility or recovery. They all get a pass somehow, though, but whatever.

He says he "just smokes a little weed", though.

And no, I don't have a reason to think any of them are a POS, or that any of them are "better" or "worse" than the rest. Not at all.

I believe he was used in the final product to show a good/bad contrast, but it didn't exactly work out that way. Anyone that lives in a big city and gets panhandled everyday has probably heard many stories just as incredible as his, so I doubt he's very noteworthy in reality. The other subjects in the doc didn't exactly have much positive to say, but I don't recall any over-the-top lying by anyone other than him.

(BTW, his story about getting "20 years" for "jumping the rail" at what he says was the girl's sentence, doesn't make sense. No.)
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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2015, 10:12:52 AM »

'God Hates Fags' and 'God Loves Dead Soldiers' (at dead soldiers' funerals, no less), but judgment here requires further consideration.

No problem, though, assuming the absolute worst about a dude who may or may not have lost a job over stolen work boots. Clearly worse than the other junkies, you suggest; and worse, still, than the monstrous picketers.

Just odd, man.


No, I'm not doing that. If the worst someone does is use lies to ask strangers for money, he's hardly a big problem.
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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2015, 11:02:46 AM »

He says he "just smokes a little weed", though.

And no, I don't have a reason to think any of them are a POS, or that any of them are "better" or "worse" than the rest. Not at all.

I believe he was used in the final product to show a good/bad contrast, but it didn't exactly work out that way. Anyone that lives in a big city and gets panhandled everyday has probably heard many stories just as incredible as his, so I doubt he's very noteworthy in reality. The other subjects in the doc didn't exactly have much positive to say, but I don't recall any over-the-top lying by anyone other than him.

(BTW, his story about getting "20 years" for "jumping the rail" at what he says was the girl's sentence, doesn't make sense. No.)

I'll address these then move on, doesn't seem all that important anymore.

The toothless, incoherent woman had a similar 'family member death' story, an event that drove her to dope. I believed her on that, and that was pretty over the top.

If dude said 'just weed,' then, yeah, bullshit. And the twenty years certainly involved more than a rail-jumping; just assumed he left out the rest. In hindsight, yes, that story was probably a lie. Unless he attempted to kill her and forgot to mention such a minor detail.

Can't pity any of them, come to think of it.
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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2015, 11:06:45 AM »

Any good murder docs, btw? Think I've seen most of the popular ones.
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2015, 11:20:05 AM »

Any good murder docs, btw? Think I've seen most of the popular ones.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1972663
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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2015, 11:34:42 AM »


Saw it, thanks. All of Herzog's, probably. Still think Grizzly Man's my favorite.

Personal gripe: His anti-execution bias interferes with the quality of his films. Too easily convinced by the condemned, creepily over-friendly with them, and way too dismissive of damning evidence.

Sorry, had to.

Anymore?

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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2015, 11:41:23 AM »

I'll address these then move on, doesn't seem all that important anymore.

The toothless, incoherent woman had a similar 'family member death' story, an event that drove her to dope. I believed her on that, and that was pretty over the top.

If dude said 'just weed,' then, yeah, bullshit. And the twenty years certainly involved more than a rail-jumping; just assumed he left out the rest. In hindsight, yes, that story was probably a lie. Unless he attempted to kill her and forgot to mention such a minor detail.

Can't pity any of them, come to think of it.

Yeah, I remember that chick. Not sure if you caught the cop's words (the mic was probably down with the camera, because he told them not to document him), but he mentioned something like "she was once one of the most attractive females in the city before she lost her mind".

I think she'd been known all of her life by the rest of them, and everyone watched her story unfold as it was happening. And nothing from her story was unbelievable, necessarily, unless someone wants to view it as a cop-out against her present state.
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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2015, 11:50:38 AM »

Yeah, I remember that chick. Not sure if you caught the cop's words (the mic was probably down with the camera, because he told them not to document him), but he mentioned something like "she was once one of the most attractive females in the city before she lost her mind".

I think she'd been known all of her life by the rest of them, and everyone watched her story unfold as it was happening. And nothing from her story was unbelievable, necessarily, unless someone wants to view it as a cop-out.

Just addressing 'over the top'. Admitted I believed her; my only issue was none were interested in life anymore, except the one. Dude at least said he tried, but you're probably right about him bullshitting.

In the end, I really had no idea what the filmmaker's intention/message might have been. Sad, pathetic lives fucked up by drugs. The end. That was my takeaway, anyway.
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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2015, 12:17:17 PM »

Just addressing 'over the top'. Admitted I believed her; my only issue was none were interested in life anymore, except the one. Dude at least said he tried, but you're probably right about him bullshitting.

In the end, I really had no idea what the filmmaker's intention/message might have been. Sad, pathetic lives fucked up by drugs. The end. That was my takeaway, anyway.

I think that girl/lady was headed toward serious mental illness as a matter of course, anyway, and that's what's up with her. I, too, am inclined to believe the story about her mom, though, because there's nothing unbelievable about it.

As for the guy, yeah, it was funny when he starts by saying, "Okay, here's the story...". He's got his spiel ready for anyone that will give him a few minutes to hear it.

Yeah, it is pathetic. I don't fault him, but if he's going to try to burden people with some form of guilt so they'll pay him, he should at least make it believable. And the doc-maker should learn how to ask the right questions if he wants to make an honest work. He could have taken that guy apart in about 30 seconds.
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2015, 12:47:38 PM »

This is about asthma, actually. But it has lots of footage from Tristan da Cunha (including stuff from early 60s when the volcano blew):

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRvtk-GI0g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRvtk-GI0g</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqx17kg-3_Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqx17kg-3_Q</a>
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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2015, 01:21:51 PM »

Any good murder docs, btw? Think I've seen most of the popular ones.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4eHaiVK9s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4eHaiVK9s</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-knbqmXn0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-knbqmXn0</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4wGlvRIPs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4wGlvRIPs</a>.

Alternate version, if you can't get that one to play -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE8oqnrV4os .

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0PA5MPES6U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0PA5MPES6U</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3qfICfy2A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3qfICfy2A</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCS4t4PRc4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCS4t4PRc4</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOhi2gI7Vw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOhi2gI7Vw</a>.


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This was really good, but is blocked in the U.S. -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTpD7vhEHKw&index=1&list=PL23D8580C7F2D0103 .
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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2015, 01:51:57 PM »

This is about a case on Pitcairn Island that caused quite an interesting clash. It makes you wonder about the various remote islands (possibly including Tristan, unfortunately), and exactly what goes on there in society:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBddg2WP1c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBddg2WP1c</a>
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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2015, 02:28:03 PM »

Just addressing 'over the top'. Admitted I believed her; my only issue was none were interested in life anymore, except the one. Dude at least said he tried, but you're probably right about him bullshitting.

In the end, I really had no idea what the filmmaker's intention/message might have been. Sad, pathetic lives fucked up by drugs. The end. That was my takeaway, anyway.

And BTW, TU: I don't doubt that the dude wants to live some other life than doing what he's doing. He wants to be a "better person", I know. Absolutely no doubt in my mind at all.

(Just wanted to get that straight.)
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2015, 02:43:11 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4eHaiVK9s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4eHaiVK9s</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-knbqmXn0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-knbqmXn0</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4wGlvRIPs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4wGlvRIPs</a>.

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0PA5MPES6U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0PA5MPES6U</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3qfICfy2A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3qfICfy2A</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCS4t4PRc4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCS4t4PRc4</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOhi2gI7Vw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOhi2gI7Vw</a>.


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This was really good, but is blocked in the U.S. -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTpD7vhEHKw&index=1&list=PL23D8580C7F2D0103 .

Whoa, sweet. Was hoping you'd come through, thanks.

Can't watch it, obviously, but who/what is the blocked one about?
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« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2015, 03:01:37 PM »

That last one is called "Death of A Porn Queen", about - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shauna_Grant . It pops up on Youtube every once and a while. It's got a very dark feel to it because they interview a lot of the old guard in that business. It's got a very Star 80, Hardcore, Taxi Driver vibe to it.
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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2015, 03:18:14 PM »

This is a good one too, about all the militia, and skinhead stuff going on in the 80's, early 90's. It got a tiny bit of distortion on the voices, but it's watchable -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP5xR0SMmO4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP5xR0SMmO4</a>.
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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2015, 04:30:36 PM »

TU: Here's one for when you're bored (you may need to brace yourself for a few of the scenes, though). It's kind of a downer, but there are some surprises thrown in to make it interesting. It's about a murder case in Texas:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-RYOy7nME" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-RYOy7nME</a>
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« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2015, 04:54:11 PM »

One more that's sort of related. This is the story of a guy on Guam, who lost his ability to walk because he got too heavy. It also has a surprise in it that I'll mention in the next paragraph, so if you want to watch it to see for yourself, don't read on...

He dies apparently due to an overdose of drugs, while his wife is present. Her 911 call and her story after it don't match up from what I recall, but no investigation followed. She most likely only helped him commit suicide, so maybe that's why.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm2PvqGA8g8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm2PvqGA8g8</a>
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