Natty or Not?

[Disgusted]

I wouldnt say its terrible, its what most nattys look like.

No it's not!!!

[Hulkotron]

Who was the Hebrew champion natural bber who sev claimed he was superior to?

[SF1900]

It is.

Wow, it doesnt even look like him any more.

[Simple Simon]

No it's not!!!

[Simple Simon]

[_aj_]

Who was the Hebrew champion natural bber who sev claimed he was superior to?

Simeon Panda

[Simple Simon]

Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.

Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.

[SF1900]

Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.

Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.

Guy on the right does look better.

[Simple Simon]

Guy on the right does look better.

I think Jims trolling in this thread is done for now.   

[the trainer]

Bob marley speaking about the natty.

[Beckenbauer]

Does this make your point No One?

This is about 4-5 days after competing.
Flexed

I'm no expert but what I read, thick veins are give away being enhanced. But he seems like those with fast metabolism, cause most got small faces and TA said he diets with 3k calories.
And I never saw someone with fast metabolism try to train natty long enough. So maybe this is the maxed out look of a ektomorph. He only weights 80kg.

In this thread u experts claim all body types look the same as natural.
I think we shouldn't rule out the difference in body types, genetics.

[Disgusted]

Come on Jim, lets not miss this opportunity, you call the guys conditioning on the right terrible yet the guy on the left looks worse and is a guy you prepped who was using gear.

Im at a loss is to what looks natural and whats enhanced anymore.

I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible  I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat and is not showing one striation anywhere!! Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
 
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.

Btw, the pic of Radu was a pic taken from a distance and blown up by you to equal the same size as the pic of the other guy that was a very close up shot. At least when doing a comparison make it of a similar pic as far as how far away the other person is from the camera. 

[the trainer]

I'm no expert but what I read, thick veins are give away being enhanced. But he seems like those with fast metabolism, cause most got small faces and TA said he diets with 3k calories.
And I never saw someone with fast metabolism try to train natty long enough. So maybe this is the maxed out look of a ektomorph. He only weights 80kg.

In this thread u experts claim all body types look the same as natural.
I think we shouldn't rule out the difference in body types, genetics.

I thought thick veins are because you are on nitix and getting da pump 

[Simple Simon]

I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible  I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat. Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
 
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.

Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.

[Costanza]

Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.

Rado bigger calves than Wolf.

[the trainer]

I’m not sure what you point is but if you want to talk conditioning then first when I say this guy’s conditioning is terrible  I'll elaborate. He’s very lean for sure but he is also very flat and is not showing one striation anywhere!! Contrary to what people think you do not need to take diuretics to become flat and because he is flat his separation and striations within the muscle are not a apparent. Like I said he is very lean not shredded but certainly lean enough that he should look a lot better than he does in this pic.
 
As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner but this guy could have looked a lot better if he was dialed in by someone that knew WTF they were doing.

Since you help with his diet and getting him dialed I guess you are saying that you dont know what you are doing, I have new respect for you its very refreshing to hear this kind of honesty on getbig.

[Disgusted]

Seriously, after Radus condition onstage you are hardly one to throw stones.

How am I throwing stones? Did my rebuttal of my last post to you make you mad? If I am wrong then please prove it? Also, who is this guy your brother? Sounds like you are taking this personally.

[Simple Simon]

As far as Radu is concerned you can see he has much better separation and striations in his delts, chest abs and tris and is much fuller due to him being hydrated. He is also more vascular and this is also due to hydration. I do think that overall Radu is leaner

You have got to be trolling
Poor Radu, first Sev takes the piss out of him now you.

[Simple Simon]

How am I throwing stones? Did my rebuttal of my last post to you make you mad? If I am wrong then please prove it? Also, who is this guy your brother? Sounds like you are taking this personally.

You are saying the guy either doesn't know what hes doing or whoever prepped him doesn't know what they are doing.
Thats throwing stones.

Upset?
Im just blowing holes in your trolling thread thats all.

[Disgusted]

You have got to be trolling
Poor Radu, first Sev takes the piss out of him now you.

That's it? Really? So does the guy on the left have better separation? Better striations? More fullness? He certainly doesn't have more vascularity since he is flat. Radu is very thin skinned in that pic back stage and is striated even in is abs. Do you have any other pics of your brother?

[Simple Simon]

That's it? Really? So does the guy on the left have better separation? Better striations? More fullness? He certainly doesn't have more vascularity since he is flat. Radu is very thin skinned in that pic back stage and is striated even in is abs. Do you have any other pics of your brother?

The guy on the left destroys him in all areas
Take a look at Radu onstage

[Disgusted]

You are saying the guy either doesn't know what hes doing or whoever prepped him doesn't know what they are doing.
Thats throwing stones.

Upset?
Im just blowing holes in your trolling thread thats all.

I stand by what I said and said it with out remorse or contention. This guy could have looked a lot better if his fluid intake was handled better. So, either blame him or his trainer.

[Disgusted]

The guy on the left destroys him in all areas
Take a look at Radu onstage

Well if he does then please post some pics of him onstage, I've not only proved it in the pic I posted buy told you exactly why. You on the other hand can only say well he destroys him in all areas. 

[Simple Simon]

I stand by what I said and said it with out remorse or contention. This guy could have looked a lot better if his fluid intake was handled better. So, either blame him or his trainer.

So why was Radu so smooth onstage compared to his fellow competitors?
We cant blame the drugs because its been established they have nothing to do with condition
We cant blame Radu because you confirmed you were amazed by his dedication and commitment

So what happened, he dieted for 22 weeks at least?

Not many avenues left to explore are there?

Maybe he should have got someone to prep him who "knew WTF they were doing"
Not throwing stones by the way

[Disgusted]

So why was Radu so smooth onstage compared to his fellow competitors?
We cant blame the drugs because its been established they have nothing to do with condition
We cant blame Radu because you confirmed you were amazed by his dedication and commitment

So what happened, he dieted for 22 weeks at least?

Not many avenues left to explore are there?

Maybe he should have got someone to prep him who "knew WTF they were doing"
Not throwing stones by the way

The pic I posted was back stage with out dream tan. That is the only other factor in his look that would change his apperance. I personally do not like it. I think it completely takes away from one's definition.