Peptides - legit or a waste of money?

[Wolfox]

Good to hear. I'm in the same boat as you. Until 2 weeks ago, I hadn't tried anything other than a PH about 7-8 years ago that didn't do much at all. I'm now 30 and still work out hard but gains have really slowed down the past 2-3 years, and it started feeling like a waste of time busting my ass just to basically maintain what I already had. I'm on day 15 of sermorelin, ghrp-2 and 6 and hoping to see some gains in the next few months. I might post some pics if I get some good results.

Keep us updated bro.

Do a review in the steroids subforum when ready.

[Big Chiro Flex]

I do believe peptides work better than ANY prohormone and most importantly it sells a whole lot better than prohormones and its much easier to obtain. 

I love peps but this is a horrendously inaccurate statement.

[Big Chiro Flex]

I had results. I train naturally from a teenager until 35 when I decided to try PEDs, I tried peptides as my first foray into the dark side. ghrp2 and cjc.

Training naturally the gains had slowed down to a crawl (hence trying peptides). I gained significant amounts of new muscle and took my physique to the next level of development. I concluded that they work for me at least. Maybe they wont work on someone who has a physique that requires 1 gram of anabolics to maintain their muscle mass.

Here's an example of what peptide only cycle did for another guy, according to his log he had gain 18 lbs of body weight in 54 days of peptide usage.

The following photo is from day 1 to day 72. Looks like he gained muscle and lost body fat to me.

This is similiar to my experience but def not 18 lbs.....maybe 10 lbs for me

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I love peps but this is a horrendously inaccurate statement.

Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature.  Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature.  Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.

Agreed....except you stated that "they work better" which is completely false according to anyone who has used both.

 

[visualizeperfection]

Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature.  Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.

WTF are you talking about you dumbshit.


You said they were more effective.

And a lot of PH's are still legal.

You lose again.

At this argument, and life.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Peptides i do not like. Ghrp6 is good for appetite but any others ive used had no effect. Maybe we get shit here i dunno. Superdrol is one of my favourite things to use. Harsh as fuck on my stomach but within a week your physique changes. Far better in my opinion than dbol or anadrol. And i know my gear

[theyounghormone]

This conversation needs some perspective....

I'll say it again, If you're a seasoned natty and begin a peptide cycle, the results will be insane.

If you've been plugging 3g a week of real anabolics, the effects are of course going to be negligible in comparison. Doesn't mean they aren't still jacking up your IGF levels as evidenced by blood work and studies but lets not lose our common sense here and say "cjc wasn't as powerful as my Dbol, must be bunk" lol.  

I am making progress on 700mg Test-e and 300 mast with my peptide stack of ghrp ,cjc dac and mgf when i've used 1g test and 400 deca before , I feel the combo of peps and lower AAS is the reason for this and the lower AAS alone wouldn't be giving me much progress as i've used more before.

and for anyone saying they used peptides alone or when off-cycle and didn't do shit, obviously not. GH alone doesnt build muscle its been shown, peptides will work only alongside a cycle so dont expect much if you are cruising or off and just like with GH it takes months to see benefits not a week or a month.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

WTF are you talking about you dumbshit.


You said they were more effective.

And a lot of PH's are still legal.

You lose again.

At this argument, and life.

No, dipshit.  All prohormones are illegal...there's just some companies that are selling them which is basically waving your dick in from of the feds.  If they weren't so busy with other affairs like terrorists then all of these companies would be shut down.  That's why I don't sell them anymore

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Agreed....except you stated that "they work better" which is completely false according to anyone who has used both.

 

Well, the range of prohormones are pretty wide in terms of effectiveness.  I've just seen better results out of peptides with less problems like liver toxicity and gyno.  Honestly, I don't have a high regard for prohormones anymore because they are now illegal...you're better off getting real gear because the penalties and risk are the same. 

[gettingbetter]

Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....

 I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.

Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.

[local hero]

Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....

 I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.

Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.

I don't care what studies or what graphs show, I still don't know anyone in the real world who rates them, and I know a good few bodybuilders

We all ran igflr when it 1st came on the UK scene, it was good for a pump, so at least you got somthing from it. Obviously the tanning jabs work wonders

As for run in GH on its own, I have done this and I did feel a very noticable difference in physique, even on very low dose

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

For those using Superdrol as an example of a prohormone...Superdrol is a real steroid.  It was able to be sold legally because it was never commerically marketed and sold thus bypassing the federal laws.  That's the same argument being used for other products out on the market.  They simply just dig through old pharm books and find stuff.


The only problem is that a lot of that stuff was not sold because it was way too fucking dangerous.  Superdrol will really fuck with your liver....not worth using.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Peptides work. If they don't work for you then you're using a shit company and / or your genetics blow.

And Vince knows what he's talking about. Not sure why he gets so much shit. Lol.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....

 I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.

Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.

HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.


As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant.  The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights.  The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting.  Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide.  You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used.  Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.

Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc

[visualizeperfection]

HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.


As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant.  The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights.  The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting.  Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide.  You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used.  Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.

Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc

Dude fuck off, you don't have any real world experience to base your bullshit theories on....

Science is not always applicable IRL

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Dude fuck off, you don't have any real world experience to base your bullshit theories on....

Science is not always applicable IRL

Goes to show how much you fucking know.....I was one of the first people that brought peptides to the states back in 2002...you can go through the Muscle Mayhem and Getbig archives to where I was talking about "The Magic Stick".  My supplier in China threw in a sample of IGF R3 fragment  in with my order of ephedrine powder.  The Chinese are the most generous bunch of people around.  They gave me a whole kilo on androstenione just in hopes of me buying a drum of it.  When it came to getting supplies, I always went to "Big Red"  So shut the fuck up about "real world experience" I was doing the damn thing when you were still trick or treating and playing with GI Joes...

[visualizeperfection]

Goes to show how much you fucking know.....I was one of the first people that brought peptides to the states back in 2002...you can go through the Muscle Mayhem and Getbig archives to where I was talking about "The Magic Stick".  My supplier in China threw in a sample of IGF R3 fragment  in with my order of ephedrine powder.  The Chinese are the most generous bunch of people around.  They gave me a whole kilo on androstenione just in hopes of me buying a drum of it.  When it came to getting supplies, I always went to "Big Red"  So shut the fuck up about "real world experience" I was doing the damn thing when you were still trick or treating and playing with GI Joes...

I'm not talking about the business side.  Im talking about results physically...

Business side you fucking suck too. Obviously. Been in the business for 10+ years and you're  still below the poverty line.

Nothing wrong with being poor, and I would never hold that against you, but don't try and pretend like you know anything, about anything.

[ESFitness]

there are guys with igf1 'scores' of over 400 using (I believe) 8mg/wk of cjc/dac, and over 600 using 15mg cjc/dac per wk along with mk at 25mg/day.

now, without using huperzine a and such, the levels drop into the 200's, but that's still a large bump in igf1, considering normal 'high' is around 250 I believe.

personally, I'm not a fan of cjc since it gives me a huge, uncomfortable head rush/flush that makes my eyes feel like they're gonna pop out so I believe the most I used was around 4mg/wk in 1 dose (didn't feel like suffering through that crap twice a week.. let alone everyday, as with cjc w/o dac).

it's worth mentioning, though, that the guys that promote 'great results' from peps, also happen to be owners or reps of pep companies and could easily afford and use actual, real gh and attribute their high testing results to peps.

I don't see a lot of 'normal' people running 10+mg/wk of cjc along with ghrp, since it'd cost as much, if not more than just using Chinese generic gh.

save some money, and stick to a gram of test, 200mg tren ace and/or 300mg npp a couple times a week, along with 1mg/day methyltrienolone per day and 100mg dbol preworkout.. and add in a couple 5iu doses of Chinese gh per day (and maybe a 15iu dose of lantus insulin in the morning).

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I'm not talking about the business side.  Im talking about results physically...

Business side you fucking suck too. Obviously. Been in the business for 10+ years and you're  still below the poverty line.

Nothing wrong with being poor, and I would never hold that against you, but don't try and pretend like you know anything, about anything.

I'm in the middle class...not even close to the poverty line.  I'm just extremely frugal with my money because I lost it all in 2007 when I was laid off.  I invest more in property, stocks, and business ventures so my money works for me instead of sitting around collecting no interest and having to pay higher taxes. 

As far my physique is concerned, I competed as a hobby....never wanted or needed to be 260 pounds ripped.  I prefer to maintain a natural physique and keep my liver and kidneys....that's why I tell people to avoid products like Superdrol

[visualizeperfection]

I'm in the middle class...not even close to the poverty line.  I'm just extremely frugal with my money because I lost it all in 2007 when I was laid off.  I invest more in property, stocks, and business ventures so my money works for me instead of sitting around collecting no interest and having to pay higher taxes. 

As far my physique is concerned, I competed as a hobby....never wanted or needed to be 260 pounds ripped.  I prefer to maintain a natural physique and keep my liver and kidneys....that's why I tell people to avoid products like Superdrol

Oh ok.


You kept yourself out of good shape... for your health.... ok, copy that....


Arent you just shy of being morbidly obese?


I bet the hormone stints I have done are far less hazardous than walking around 100lbs obese.





You need to understand one thing, Vince, you are dead wrong... you are the most delusional person I have ever heard of.

You will find that my logic is infallible.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Oh ok.


You kept yourself out of good shape... for your health.... ok, copy that....


Arent you just shy of being morbidly obese?


I bet the hormone stints I have done are far less hazardous than walking around 100lbs obese.





You need to understand one thing, Vince, you are dead wrong... you are the most delusional person I have ever heard of.

You will find that my logic is infallible.

I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight

[visualizeperfection]

I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight

well good work.

[Big Chiro Flex]

there are guys with igf1 'scores' of over 400 using (I believe) 8mg/wk of cjc/dac, and over 600 using 15mg cjc/dac per wk along with mk at 25mg/day.

now, without using huperzine a and such, the levels drop into the 200's, but that's still a large bump in igf1, considering normal 'high' is around 250 I believe.

personally, I'm not a fan of cjc since it gives me a huge, uncomfortable head rush/flush that makes my eyes feel like they're gonna pop out so I believe the most I used was around 4mg/wk in 1 dose (didn't feel like suffering through that crap twice a week.. let alone everyday, as with cjc w/o dac).

it's worth mentioning, though, that the guys that promote 'great results' from peps, also happen to be owners or reps of pep companies and could easily afford and use actual, real gh and attribute their high testing results to peps.

I don't see a lot of 'normal' people running 10+mg/wk of cjc along with ghrp, since it'd cost as much, if not more than just using Chinese generic gh.

save some money, and stick to a gram of test, 200mg tren ace and/or 300mg npp a couple times a week, along with 1mg/day methyltrienolone per day and 100mg dbol preworkout.. and add in a couple 5iu doses of Chinese gh per day (and maybe a 15iu dose of lantus insulin in the morning).

I agree with most of your post (as usual) except I will say that a vial of cjc and Ipamorelin per week yielded greater results for me than 4IU of some yellow tops I tried. Hair and nails grew faster and better pumps off of the peptides compared to the Chinese stuff. Just my observation...

[Big Chiro Flex]

I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight

What was your health problem bro? I didn't know you were "sick" sick