Peptides - legit or a waste of money?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

What was your health problem bro? I didn't know you were "sick" sick

Kidney Stones...a lot of them

[Big Chiro Flex]

Kidney Stones...a lot of them

Not fun stuff.....be well Melvin

[gettingbetter]

HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.


As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant.  The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights.  The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting.  Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide.  You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used.  Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.

Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc

Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue


As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm

The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.

Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.

Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256

So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue


As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm

The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.

Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.

Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256

So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)

I said not to compare the ones sold by MHP and Swanson for 49 bucks to GHRP......an injectable will almost always be more effective than an oral product.

[gettingbetter]

I said not to compare the ones sold by MHP and Swanson for 49 bucks to GHRP......an injectable will almost always be more effective than an oral product.

Yeah... o.k.  

GHRP with COA from independent lab will set you back a whooping 20 bucks for 5 mg (50 100 mcg doses). I don't see why you are dismissing a product selling for 49$ when the one you are raving about costs the same....

Some oral secretagogues work even better than injected ones:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19174493

Also Ibutamoren (that can be found for around 60$ on reputable sites):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8768828?dopt=Abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167494310002530

Here is the site for ghrp

http://www.ceretropic.com/ghrp-2-solution/

For Ibutamoren:

http://www.tht.co/physical-and-metabolic/ibutamoren

So again, your arguments are not valid my friend.

Sleep well!

[Mawse]

did not read anything in this thread, but the only way to know is to take an IGF1 test @ privatemdlabs or similar after using them for a month.

no IGF1 increase = no they don't work.

[no one]

I agree with most of your post (as usual) except I will say that a vial of cjc and Ipamorelin per week yielded greater results for me than 4IU of some yellow tops I tried. Hair and nails grew faster and better pumps off of the peptides compared to the Chinese stuff. Just my observation...

this peaks my curiosity. i may try them again.

[Big Chiro Flex]

this peaks my curiosity. i may try them again.

Downside is the 4 doses per day of peps, VS the 2 doses per day of the yellow tops (post workout and before bed.)

I can't be fucked with anymore to pin 4x a day. But, that's what gave me results.

[bentone]

I have been using IGF LR3 and that shit works. I have been off cycle for 10 weeks and have actually gained muscle from running IGF with my pct.

[visualizeperfection]

Downside is the 4 doses per day of peps, VS the 2 doses per day of the yellow tops (post workout and before bed.)

I can't be fucked with anymore to pin 4x a day. But, that's what gave me results.

Yeah fuck that.


I hated pinning melanotan twice a day.

[Palpatine Q]

For those using Superdrol as an example of a prohormone...Superdrol is a real steroid.  It was able to be sold legally because it was never commerically marketed and sold thus bypassing the federal laws.  That's the same argument being used for other products out on the market.  They simply just dig through old pharm books and find stuff.


The only problem is that a lot of that stuff was not sold because it was way too fucking dangerous.  Superdrol will really fuck with your liver....not worth using.

Then don't take Superdrol.

this is what I take.

it's not a C-17 alpha, it's not double methyl bonded.  it's no more toxic than halodrol 50 was.  but it works.

i always stay abreast of the ps/designer world.  here's the thing.  wer'e ALL at the mercy of whoever is formulating this stuff.  there are no regulations or good manufacturing standards. Nobody truly knows what they are putting into their body 100% FOR SURE. Ph's get a bad rap. at least I get the same results from each bottle I buy.

When i was a tren fiend, every vial was a crapshoot.

[almard]

love ghrp6, cheap and allowed me to actually finish my meals.

gived some fullness that I don't have without too

Go for 300 NPP, 300 of EQ, 300 deca, 60 anvar. No Test...that stack worked for me better than the GH, peptides shit.

GH is perfect , however, the looks is very temporary ...

[SaintAnger]

Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue


As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm

The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.

Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.

Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256

So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)

Broscience alert!

[gettingbetter]

Broscience alert!

Yeah the Journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism is bro science for sure 

Good luck with Ebola you plebian!