Im a pretty open minded person but i just cant agree with the use of d.n.p.i tried it back in 95 and i have never felt so terrible before .the fat loss is not worth it at all,not to mention the health risk.if clen,e.c.a.,g.h.,and thyroid cant get you lean enough maybe you should try s new endeaver.d.n.p.is just to dangerous.if it worked mericals maybe i could understand it ,but it just doesnt work that great.