VEINS COMING OUT IN FOREARMS,LOOKING LEANER BUT SCALE SAYS DIFFERENT

[gracie bjj]

i havent weighed myself in months cause ive only been back in gym about 8 months now,anyway the last week or 2 ive noticed increased vascularity in my forearms and biceps and overall i look leaner,so i get on scale yesterday and BAM,255LBS.i literally cried,i used to be 190-195 in my day and now i feel lost.i know what alot of u r gonna say about the scale dont mean shit and just go by the mirror but ive really mentally hurtin from those numbers, granted i am using the TRT but still and all i should b lighter. i eat pretty clean and somedays i dont eat shit at all cause i make sure my wife and son have food before i eat,things r alittle tight also which doesnt help. anyway im just gonna keep training and see what happens,usually when my veins start coming out in forearms im leaner or atleast on leaner side, i know muscle is heavier than fat but all in all i havent put on 50lbs of muscle,lol,i wish i did but no i didnt. anyway what do u guys in the KNOW think?have any of u ever got on the scale like me expecting to see a nice lighter weight only to be knocked out of your boots and see an ungodly weight?

[Knooger]

Are your pants fitting looser in the waist? Needing to tighten the belt. That's how I judge.

[falco]

If you feel good and look good just forget about the weight. 225 is not that high.

[gracie bjj]

When I think of daily heroin users I think of someone who is really thin. Also, if things are a little "tight" what comes first, steroids, heroin, or food for your family?

im in methadone clinic now and been clean,i know methadone aint the best thing to do but it sure beats heroin. my brother in law gets opiates from a doctor and constantly takes cheap shots at me cause i used heroin,i used to go to doctor to but my insurance ran out and wont cover it.i got legit back issues but i cant afford the pills from doctor so i went the cheaper route with heroin. anyway im clean now and hopefully stay that way,thanks for the support to the guys that been givin it,i never thought id be a heroin addict,went 48 yrs without it and started using it last yr,i was no angel and yes i did coke and weed but never was a addict

[spiro]

im in methadone clinic now and been clean,i know methadone aint the best thing to do but it sure beats heroin. my brother in law gets opiates from a doctor and constantly takes cheap shots at me cause i used heroin,i used to go to doctor to but my insurance ran out and wont cover it.i got legit back issues but i cant afford the pills from doctor so i went the cheaper route with heroin. anyway im clean now and hopefully stay that way,thanks for the support to the guys that been givin it,i never thought id be a heroin addict,went 48 yrs without it and started using it last yr,i was no angel and yes i did coke and weed but never was a addict

You should get on suboxone methadone is just as bad as heroin. You will lose the opiate cravings on suboxone doesn't sound like you have insurance though it can be expensive. Methadone will make you put on weight like crazy.

[gracie bjj]

You should get on suboxone methadone is just as bad as heroin. You will lose the opiate cravings on suboxone doesn't sound like you have insurance though it can be expensive. Methadone will make you put on weight like crazy.

yes im going to get on subetex next week,thanks man for the info i appreciate it. whitewidow told me the same thing,he said suboxones r much better and wont mess up my digestive tract

[El Diablo Blanco]

You start a thread bashing those that don't take pics then you start this thread about being leaner and more veiny yet don't product a photo.  What the fuck?

[whitewidow]

You should get on suboxone methadone is just as bad as heroin. You will lose the opiate cravings on suboxone doesn't sound like you have insurance though it can be expensive. Methadone will make you put on weight like crazy.

I almost agree 1000%. I don't think methadone is as bad as heroin just because you are not using needles and lets be real methadone won't get you as high as shooting dope but as a replacement methadone is still going to be addictive and like you said I have not ever known one person who didn't get fat on methadone. subutex would be the best route/suboxone would be the second best route. I say subutex is the first best route because it is alot cheaper then suboxone and just as potent I personally don't like the naloxone in the suboxone but I'll still use it.

keep on doing good for yourself. stay on the methadone till you can get some coverage or just save up enough to get the subutex,you should qualify for some coverage on the prescription,maybe not the doctor visit but they should have a program that saves you a good deal of money on the prescription or just go to costco 60x 8mg subutex costs 135$ in Portland,Or where I'm from and that lasts two months if you use them right.


Nobody ever thinks they will be a heroin addict it just happens. I never saw myself getting high on heroin. I grew up in the city and I saw it all the worst thing i saw were the girls that looked good but when you saw there arms they had track marks everywhere! I'll never forget the first heroin user I met. at the time i was into selling diffrent shit and I asked if she was a cop and she pulled up her sleeve and she had a awful amount of track marks it was nasty! I was just a teenager and i told myself i would never get into anything like that but it did evetually happen. I went the suburban way oxys to heroin. Nowadays it happens all the time heroin has made a huge comeback the last few years!

[Mike]

I almost agree 1000%. I don't think methadone is as bad as heroin just because you are not using needles and lets be real methadone won't get you as high as shooting dope but as a replacement methadone is still going to be addictive and like you said I have not ever known one person who didn't get fat on methadone. subutex would be the best route/suboxone would be the second best route. I say subutex is the first best route because it is alot cheaper then suboxone and just as potent I personally don't like the naloxone in the suboxone but I'll still use it.

keep on doing good for yourself. stay on the methadone till you can get some coverage or just save up enough to get the subutex,you should qualify for some coverage on the prescription,maybe not the doctor visit but they should have a program that saves you a good deal of money on the prescription or just go to costco 60x 8mg subutex costs 135$ in Portland,Or where I'm from and that lasts two months if you use them right.


Nobody ever thinks they will be a heroin addict it just happens. I never saw myself getting high on heroin. I grew up in the city and I saw it all the worst thing i saw were the girls that looked good but when you saw there arms they had track marks everywhere! I'll never forget the first heroin user I met. at the time i was into selling diffrent shit and I asked if she was a cop and she pulled up her sleeve and she had a awful amount of track marks it was nasty! I was just a teenager and i told myself i would never get into anything like that but it did evetually happen. I went the suburban way oxys to heroin. Nowadays it happens all the time heroin has made a huge comeback the last few years!

Subox is expensive without a script but I'd take that over subutex...less a chance for abuse.

Subox still backed me up a bit, on the toilet every 2 days and felt bloated but it gives some people energy for working out and def numbs the pain.

It's a slipper slope bjj but Methodone IS better than heron and you're going in the right direction.  If you're not going to meeting I would suggest that as well.  Saved my life

[Deadlifted]

How tall are you?

[whitewidow]

Subox is expensive without a script but I'd take that over subutex...less a chance for abuse.

Subox still backed me up a bit, on the toilet every 2 days and felt bloated but it gives some people energy for working out and def numbs the pain.

It's a slipper slope bjj but Methodone IS better than heron and you're going in the right direction.  If you're not going to meeting I would suggest that as well.  Saved my life

You have to get down to 4mg a day and you will shit regulary even try to get down to 2mg and your metabolism will be fine. Right now I have the suboxone films and they costed about 10$ a piece at walgreens but with insurance it goes down drastically and if you can get just basic subutex 8mg they are cheap! like I said they are like 1.50 a tab at costco. I train harder then anybody at my gym and I'm on suboxone 4mg and 1mg of xanax before I work out.

[Natural Man]

great thread :/

[Elvis_McCartney]

If you ever want to feel good again you need to get off this shit permanently.  Methadone while a "quick fix" to get off other fast acting opiates does work wonders but like others said it shouldn't be a permanent thing and will make you fat as shit.

It allows you to get through the day without obsessing about getting an opiate fix and lets you live fairly normal.  As soon as you get stable you should think about weaning off.  It's hell on your heart and gives you a sweet tooth and slows down your metabolism and messes up your digestion and pretty much makes you lazy.

Getting off methadone is a fucking bitch but can certainly be down.

People can get though detoxing but what screws up most is PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome).  They can be clean for 45 days and still feel like shit.  Insomnia, diarrhea, restless leg syndrome, chills, lethargy, headaches and on and on.  So they say screw it and go back to using.

When this happens they no longer have a tolerance and usually end up ODing.  it's what happened to Philip Seymour Hoffman.

This is what causes PAWS.  When you use opiates your brain develops many extra opiate receptors that want to be filled with the influx of opiates.  Hence, the user developing tolerance and having to use more and more opiates in order to fill these extra receptors and get the same effect.

When you stop taking opiates 2 major things have to happen.  One, the brain has to heal and go through what is called an opiate receptor reduction (closing down all the extra opiate receptors) and at the same time your brain has NO endorphin production due to all the extra opiates that you've put in your body.

Your own endorphin production has to start up and the extra opiate receptors have to be shut down.  The longer you've taken opiates, the longer it will take your brain to heal.  There's nothing you can do to speed up the receptor reduction that has to take place but there certainly are things that will speed up your endorphin production.

Listening to your favorite music, having sex (a lot), and the main thing, start to workout more and do cardio to amp up your endorphin production.

But it can be done.  As long as you use, be it suboxone or methadone it will be a ball and chain wrapped around your neck.  That's not a way to live.

[Nordic Beast]

I agree with post above...with that said it's easier to bridge to being completely opiate free with suboxone

methadone is some evil shit---it will run you down and ruin you eventually

use subs but take them with the goal of getting off in a couple months

[Elvis_McCartney]

I agree with post above...with that said it's easier to bridge to being completely opiate free with suboxone

methadone is some evil shit---it will run you down and ruin you eventually

use subs but take them with the goal of getting off in a couple months

100% agree with you Nordic.

[anabolichalo]

veins are not only indication of low fat


also

high blood pressure

dehydration

aging skin

[_bruce_]

How does one keep healthy on methadone - doesn't it break you down?

[gracie bjj]

yea im staying at 40mgs and trying to wean off,i see people at the clinic on 250mgs i dont want to b a slave to methadone or anything else.i went thru a year of hell on these opiates n im tired of this shit,i am burned out mentally from that stuff

[whitewidow]

How does one keep healthy on methadone - doesn't it break you down?

You can't! like elvis says it fucks up your body pretty badly! It slows everything down. You will be lazy as fuck,you will get fat and constipated and have no sex drive, however it is better then slamming dope. suboxone or subutex is a much better choice then your living again and it is way easier to taper off of then  methadone. Only way to get off of methadone is if you go to rehab or wind up in jail for a few months then you will be clean and feeling somewhat normal. I hate to say it but sometimes jail isn't bad if your a addict and need help.

[whitewidow]

yea im staying at 40mgs and trying to wean off,i see people at the clinic on 250mgs i dont want to b a slave to methadone or anything else.i went thru a year of hell on these opiates n im tired of this shit,i am burned out mentally from that stuff

250mg WOW! I didn;t think they let people go higher then 70-100mg daily. that is crazy! I have heard of people with chronic pain getting orescribed that much but that was a prescription from a pain clinic not from a methadone clinic. I don;t want to slam methadone too hard because it has helped save alot of lives but it's a very fucked up solution to a heroin problem .your just switching one opiate for one that is more mild and can;t be injected because at the clinics they make it into a liquid and watch you drink it.

I was prescribed methadone along with all the other shit I get and I was prescribed 50mg a day and man on top of oxycontin and xanax I was laid out for years. suboxone saved me. It's almost been a year since ive been clean off of methadone, oxycodone/oxycontin. I still do have to use 4mg of subutex everyday plus xanax but I have gone as low as 2mg of subutex a day. I even have gone on and off days and the longest I lasted with nothing was 4 days and i got P.A.W.S real bad! So I went back on the subutex.

[Sophus]

If you ever want to feel good again you need to get off this shit permanently.  Methadone while a "quick fix" to get off other fast acting opiates does work wonders but like others said it shouldn't be a permanent thing and will make you fat as shit.

It allows you to get through the day without obsessing about getting an opiate fix and lets you live fairly normal.  As soon as you get stable you should think about weaning off.  It's hell on your heart and gives you a sweet tooth and slows down your metabolism and messes up your digestion and pretty much makes you lazy.

Getting off methadone is a fucking bitch but can certainly be down.

People can get though detoxing but what screws up most is PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome).  They can be clean for 45 days and still feel like shit.  Insomnia, diarrhea, restless leg syndrome, chills, lethargy, headaches and on and on.  So they say screw it and go back to using.

When this happens they no longer have a tolerance and usually end up ODing.  it's what happened to Philip Seymour Hoffman.

This is what causes PAWS.  When you use opiates your brain develops many extra opiate receptors that want to be filled with the influx of opiates.  Hence, the user developing tolerance and having to use more and more opiates in order to fill these extra receptors and get the same effect.

When you stop taking opiates 2 major things have to happen.  One, the brain has to heal and go through what is called an opiate receptor reduction (closing down all the extra opiate receptors) and at the same time your brain has NO endorphin production due to all the extra opiates that you've put in your body.

Your own endorphin production has to start up and the extra opiate receptors have to be shut down.  The longer you've taken opiates, the longer it will take your brain to heal.  There's nothing you can do to speed up the receptor reduction that has to take place but there certainly are things that will speed up your endorphin production.

Listening to your favorite music, having sex (a lot), and the main thing, start to workout more and do cardio to amp up your endorphin production.

But it can be done.  As long as you use, be it suboxone or methadone it will be a ball and chain wrapped around your neck.  That's not a way to live.

Detoxing from methadone is actually harder and takes a longer time than detoxing from heroin

And this is why replacing heroin with methadone is not really a solution if you want to come clean in the longterm

[gracie bjj]

i agree,thats why alot of people switch to heroin to get off methadone. they say its easier but heroin is fuckin evil.it almost ruined me in 1 year

[whitewidow]

i agree,thats why alot of people switch to heroin to get off methadone. they say its easier but heroin is fuckin evil.it almost ruined me in 1 year

that's crazy! that's called relapsing! who does that? come off methadone with heroin? just keep working the program and try to taoer down your methadone dose before you switch to subutex. subutex you have a chance at life at least. I don;t know how you were able to stay lean and shredded on methadone! id have to see that one! that stuff made me look horrible!
I don't know anybody who went on methadone and stayed all buff and cutt. your like the 1% I guess. I had to lose 40 lbs! it sucked!

[gracie bjj]

that's crazy! that's called relapsing! who does that? come off methadone with heroin? just keep working the program and try to taoer down your methadone dose before you switch to subutex. subutex you have a chance at life at least. I don;t know how you were able to stay lean and shredded on methadone! id have to see that one! that stuff made me look horrible!
I don't know anybody who went on methadone and stayed all buff and cutt. your like the 1% I guess. I had to lose 40 lbs! it sucked!

i drank lots of water everyday,3 gallons most of time. i also took metamucil to keep the bowels moving,believe it or not i got tons of energy on opiates,when i did heroin i was in the gym training,then id go clean my car and wash it,then go home and wrestle with my son and do MMA with him. problem was once i sat down i had to becareful cause id start nodding out,the ole dreaded NOD,LOL. whitewidow if im not mistaken u said awhile back that when u did oxy's u had tons of energy also,maybe im mistaken but i coulda swore u mentioned that. all i could try my best which im doing

[ProudVirgin69]

How does one keep healthy on methadone - doesn't it break you down?

The main risks of using heroin are diseases from shooting it, resorting to crime to pay for the habit, supporting crime by purchasing it, ODing from unregulated product, and getting in legal trouble for purchasing/possessing it.  Methadone practically nullifies all of these risks. 

It's considered a 'maintenance' program....theoretically, methadone users are able to lead a fairly normal life because they don't have to worry about scoring their fix.  Just go the methadone clinic once daily, get your dose, and carry on.